The thing is McLaren are in a very unique position. Whether it's a position that is enviable or one that u try to avoid depends on one's point of view.
Both drivers have been so competitive that in this race they behaved very selfishly to the detriment of the team. Hamilton has apologised and Fernando shouldn't have reacted the way he did. 2 wrongs don't make a right after all.
Even though the incident leaves a bitter taste that the win didn't really feel like a win at all, i think it has taught us a good lesson.

I personally believe that he will stay at McLaren. He has a contract that doesn't expire after this season and he will have time to reflect after this season is over. He will realize that he has been a bit too hot headed at times this season. He should learn to relax more

Hamilton is f***ing brilliant!
That overtaking came out of nowhere!

1-2!!
Absolutely awesome performance from both drivers. Alonso's pace was relentless
And to do it in Ferrari's backyard makes it extra sweet
A big "up yours!!" to all the Italians

faris you're overreacting...shinjite is right...Hamilton is such a natural that he'll more likely enjoy going through Eau Rouge than worry about crashing

I'm also prepared for the worst and I wouldn't be surprised to be honest. I am proud of what McLaren achieved this season and if the FIA wants to take that away from us so be it. It's nice to see the likes of Jackie Stewart, Frank Williams and Paul Stoddart come in support of us but when Max Mosley is after your head and is doing all in his power to help that RED team like he has done for the past few years, there's nothing u can do. But i believe Ron will fight all the way and give those bastards a run for their money.

Yes...it's official...2 years as well
This is the end of F1 for me.
What a farce of a sport it has become

It's getting weird. Autosport now reporting no verdict yet...

100 million is no small amount that one can just write off...
McLaren's future i must admit is in serious doubt if that is the case...
All i can say is that it's another farcical decision by the FIA
And where is the transparency? The FIA haven't provided any transcript of the hearing nor has it produced the evidence that they have claimed ruled McLaren to have used the data. It's all very fishy to me.

And this quote from P-F1 sums it best

That article is based on the first verdict. I wonder what the writer/blogger must be thinking now in light of the new one

The 2 former employees were charged...but it was all done off the scene without all the hoopla of the current case. And you have to wonder why.
Ferrari will find it extremely hard to justify what they did this year allowing things to escalate to the level it is now. Even Eddie Jordan said that in an interview. There is only one reason i can think of: to win the titles off the track. I doubt there would be as much controversy as now if the team implicated was a Spyker or a Red Bull.

I've read the whole document and I have to say what a load of rubbish.
McLaren should take the FIA to civil court.
The new evidence had nothing about the dossier. It was about technical information about the characteristics about Ferrari's car like weight distribution which is frankly useless to us.

The tyre gas seems an interesting point. Isn't Bridgestone suppose to give all teams equal treatment? How come Ferrari are the only ones using the gas? And why aren't we allowed to experiment the gas then?

The aero parts: they could prove nothing so they do alot of speculation. Retarded. Nuff said. Same with the brake system.

The fact is all this info were passed voluntarily by a Ferrari employee at that time. If it were any other team they would have also accepted it with both hands seeing as they have found themselves in an advantageous position. Almost every team have some sort of mole in other teams.

But the FIA couldn't prove that we used a single piece of those info on our car. So what do they do? This:
There ladies and gentlemen, the FIA has officially shot themselves in the foot. So possession of any info about any other team regardless whether it gives u a sporting advantage is deemed an offence. Let's see.....wouldn't that implicate every single F1 team on the grid?

What a bunch of idiots.

This post has been edited by verx: Sep 15 2007, 09:36 AM

You don't understand what I'm trying to say. I didn't say weight distribution is useless. I know very well the importance of it. BUT another car's weight distribution has no use on a different car design. There's just no way u can simply adjust your weight distribution based on another car's one without redesigning the whole thing. That's what i meant that it was useless to us. So what if we knew what their weight distribution was? It's not like we could apply it in our car.

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Added on September 15, 2007, 12:07 pmMcLaren are being made scapegoat for something that has been in F1 for a very long time. And the FIA have the guts to make it sound like it's a surprise to them; like they had no idea these types of things were going on.

Since the Italian police were so eager digging all this up. Someone should issue a challenge for them. Dig every single SMS or email from every team. I guarantee you there is more juice to be found.

This post has been edited by verx: Sep 15 2007, 12:07 PM

The fact is the car had already be designed since last year. You can't just change your weight distribution with a snap of the fingers. Your point would be acceptable for next year's car for example. But the FIA has already mentioned they will scrutinise our '08 car so i don't think u have to worry about that.

Most of the development that happens midway through a season are mostly aero changes. A slight change in the mechanical balance to find a better way to optimise the tyres maybe...but a drastic change in weight distribution is abit much. Even in the document De La Rosa explicitly stated that the weight distributions of both cars were so different that the info was not applicable.

I'm going to stick out my head and say: Hail the new WDC Lewis Hamilton!!

I've not given up yet but things do not look good..
But I'm proud of the what the team and the drivers have done this year.
I hope we get really fired up to win next year's championships.

Just ignore him. He's not worth it. He trolls all the time even in the football forums.

A 2 stop wouldn't have made much of a difference. They gambled on 3 stops so that he could make his way up the field easier on a lighter car but we just didn't have the pace.

Erm..I think....that Massa and Kimi have a different car?
The tyres have been our weakness this season. We can't seem to extract as much pace from them compared to Ferrari. Next year should be better seeing that this is the first season we're back to using Bridgestones.