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post Oct 17 2014, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Oct 15 2014, 03:41 PM)
Good oils their XPR line, I recommend them for any cast iron block engine as they've performed best on my RB25DET. Pricey but I've done 20000+ km between an oil change using RP without the car missing a beat or the turbocharger giving me any issues.

I've never used their HPS line, but I figure it wouldn't be too far off from the XPR.
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Hi, newbie question, just want to start using non-OEM engine oil.

what's the difference Royal Purple SAE and Royal Purple HPS?
I was quoted RM55 per quart for SAE(5w40) and RM45 per quart for HPS(10w40)

Is SAE better than HPS? looking at the pricing. Thanks!!
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post Nov 19 2015, 07:03 PM

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Hi guys,

Need some advice here.
Finally, I'm switching to full syn oil so far only can afford semi syn.
I already bought Amsoil signature 5w-30 and ready for oil change this weekend.

Do I need to do flushing?
Actually I also bought the Amsoil engine flush oil.
But still need some advise whether I should use it or not. laugh.gif

My car mileage clocked 119000 now.
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post Nov 19 2015, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Nov 19 2015, 08:10 PM)
Dah beli, guna lah... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 19 2015, 08:19 PM)
if already bought, use lo
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Yea, I mean nothing will go wrong with this flush oil rite?
bcos I see the bottle is so small.. and like water one when I shake.. rclxub.gif

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post Nov 19 2015, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 18 2015, 08:32 PM)
From phone :

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Bro, this one us use what oil? damn shining weh..
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post Nov 20 2015, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 19 2015, 09:06 PM)
ya flushes are meant to be very thin/light, and they will further thin/light your existing oil/break down dirt/carbon/sludge etc.

in fact, we were just discussing about this few pages ago which you can refer to
On the Iswara, in order of usage where motul is last used: Torco TR5 > Liqui Moly MOS2 > Torco SR-1 > Motul H tech 100 plus were used before the picture is taken.

Recently (after pictures) it runs on Shell Helix Ultra with pureplus cheap from Tesco because piston ring/seals leaking, causing engine oil consumption which make those boutique oils really expensive to run with sweat.gif
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QUOTE(izso @ Nov 20 2015, 08:07 AM)
Already bought, just use. But keep a lookout for leaks and stuff. I'm assuming your gaskets (head gasket, oil seals etc) have never been changed before? If you've been on semi all this time, you should be relatively safe from leaks. No harm even if you do find leaks though. Better you remediate the issue now rather than finding out later when the leak becomes a waterfall.
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Thanks for the advise, hopefully everything is good when I switch to fully syn.
I have changed 1 oil seal before as precaution, its the one located at the Engine - Gearbox connection, I changed that when fixing cooling system.

I will just combine my question to you guys since both are something related to "seal leaking"
Actually is it true that using a fully syn EO will lengthen seals and rings life?

I'm worry about the head gasket leaking n stuffs, seems like will cost a lot to change sad.gif
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post Nov 20 2015, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 20 2015, 12:16 PM)
debatable, and controversial.
some say worse, some say improve.

from the top of my head, ester softens, while PAO hardens.
blend of both, settle for a middle point.

i believe even full esters like motul would have pao or some form of method/countermeasure, maybe in form of additives or something that prevent seals from swelling too much.
consider reading up: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/esters-in-sy...tic-lubricants/

imho, reputable obviously taken this into consideration and most likely have done countless hours of testing/R&D etc. so when it comes down to consumer, just use only.

again, as sifu izso pointed out: synthetics DO NOT CAUSE LEAKS.
they are most likely caused by the oil cleaning/clearing away deposits that was filling up the seal and now that they are gone, it leaks.
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Allright, long article u give me, will take my time to read.
Thats what I think, their R&D should have covered all the 'side effects' for us to use happily. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

There are many misconception that say fully syn oil will cause leaking when poured into old car, which I can hardly understand why. haha

Anyway, I will park here to gather more info, about EO. good thread indeed. thumbup.gif
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:11 PM

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Finally, I poured in the Amsoil signature 5w-30 yesterday.
It revs up smoothly and feels lighter.

btw, what is the 1st recommended 1st fully syn OCI?
Knowing that I'm only using semi syn for the past 119000KM

Should I straight whack it to 15K km? or lower?
I saw Quazacolt do the UOA on 8,500 and Blackstone only recommend to use up to 11,000. This makes me think twice.
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post Nov 24 2015, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 23 2015, 08:27 PM)
in case you haven't forgotten, bsl is american based and obviously they would take a much more conservative approach else they risk unwanted lawsuits laugh.gif
now, do pay attention to the UOA's TBN, and look for another EO's data sheet, such as Torco's SR-1 full synthetic.
i have more additives(layman)/base number after 8500km usage than a brand new EO lol.

my personal recommendation, is refer back to your original owner manual/manufacturer recommendation, then experiment yourself.
eg:
1st time 10k, 2nd time 15k with an oil filter change on the 7500km. 3rd time maybe 20k km.
for Malaysia, going beyond 20/30k km is a bit of a risk unless you really know what you're doing and/or have UOA's to back the results.
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Yep, I read about your Amsoil TBN, around 6.6 after 8500KM whereby Torco's is 6.0 for a virgin oil. This looks good.

Personally, for now I don't dare to go more than 15000 KM, knowing that my car is 90% city driving, it will be a tough job for the oil itself.
Maybe I will just follow your recommendation, will start from 10K 1st and see how is the oil drain condition looks like.

And yeah, talking about the oil condition, since I will not do any UOA, how should I determine that my 10000 KM oil is good enough to proceed further?
I read few ppl said, to feel the oil with hands, feel whether it still greasy and no sediments, then it should be fine.
Color also still honey-like transparent.

Anything else?

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post Nov 24 2015, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(izso @ Nov 24 2015, 12:48 PM)
Butt feel la. Eventually around 10k or so, you might start to feel the car is feeling sluggish or mushy. That's when you need to change.
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Yeah, that will be taken into consideration as well. Normally I will change the oil when it starts to feel sluggish even when it only reach 3500/4000 KM on semi syn.
I don't know why my car "use" the oil that fast, is it normal? hmm.gif
Previously using Petronas syntium 800 5w-30 and 90% city driving
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post Nov 25 2015, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 24 2015, 01:42 PM)
honestly there isn't much solid ways to tell besides maybe a ph indicator paper to tell how acidic the oil has become and maybe visually inspect how viscous/thin the oil is compared to how it originally was.

feeling oils from your engine would be very detrimental to your personal health and i would advise doing so.

it should also not be honey like transparent as the oil obviously didn't do a good job in making sure your engine is clean. all my oil drains turns out pitch black after usage regardless of any brand/make so far.

if you want, you can try building a high temperature resistant filtration unit or something of the sort, and maybe have it filtering in between the drain pan or something during an OCI, see if you can visually inspect anything.
if you could, consider it being a damn serious case as the wears on my UOA are not visually inspect-able.

http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/TIB/ppm.html
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Hmm, looking at your answer, I think will just skip the first 2 methods, feeling it and watch the color.

About the filtration media, can I use a paper filter? like what they use in chemical labs? or that is too resistance for EO?
However, I have been sticking few magnets on the oil filter for sometime, to avoid the particles roaming inside my engine.

Anyway, as starting point, I will just stick to 10000KM interval or less with twice filter changing (every 5000KM) lets see how well the Amsoil doing. biggrin.gif



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post Nov 25 2015, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 25 2015, 12:16 PM)
any filtration media (like paper) should be fine, it's just to collect/accumulate any sediments/metal shavings/wear as you drain the oil.
chances are you won't see anything, as again, if you do, it could spell serious trouble.

the only exception is transmission oil drains where metal shavings are to be expected especially on the first few drains (up to even 5 drains, or even every drain if you're engaging in motorsport/severe usages)

as for magnets, it can be a double edge sword as with my own minor experimentation as well (refer first page/previous posts for more details)
magnets will demagnetize upon heat depending on their intended grade.
if lets say all your accumulated metal particles suddenly got de-magnetized and reflow back in your engine in a surge, imagine the abrasion it could possibly cause sad.gif
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Ah crap... I will check on my magnets tonite.. I'm using spoiled HDD magnets, its still strong when I do the oil change last Sunday. dunno how long it will last tho.


Btw talking bout transmission oil, can we discuss about ATF here? lol.. since I'm closing to my ATF change, need some advice as well tongue.gif
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post Nov 25 2015, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Nov 25 2015, 12:05 PM)
How is this done? Wouldn't oil spill when the oil filter is removed, and would continue to flow while trying to attach a new filter?
Instead, why not opt for mobil 1 filter? Those are quite good and easily obtainable. roughly x2 the price of normal filter, and have better filtration. Don't have to go through so much hassle.
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I believe the oil spill will not be significant and I will top up with the balance I had anyway when do the filter change.
As for the high quality filter, I don't think it is available for my car, I have never found any aftermarket parts for it. lol biggrin.gif
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post Nov 25 2015, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 25 2015, 02:36 PM)
Yes!  As per the subtitle "Everything Automotive lubricants/fluids"
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Yeah glad to hear that.
On my previous ATF change, I use Lubegard Platinum, not to fix anything, just for prevention.
As for ATF, since I do the change on a Korean AT gearbox specialist, they use an OEM fully syntetic ATF. (I saw it from the barrel, totally forgot the name)
Anyway, its closing to 20000 KM and the ATF + Lubegard Plat done their job, the shift is all good.

Now, I'm planning to change to other ATF, below is my shortlist, my GB is D3
Amsoil
Q8 (I saw your iswara using it, lol)
Royal Purple

Initially I'm aiming for Q8 + Lubegard Plat, but after using the Amsoil EO, I want to give a try on their ATF + Lubegard Plat.
Anyone tried Amsoil ATF?

Or any other brand to recommend?
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post Nov 25 2015, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 25 2015, 06:16 PM)
eh if with lubegard your ATF should last much longer.

now if you do decide to go with reputable brand/boutique ATF, you could probably save a little without going lubegard, those ATF do perform/last way better than the conventional/mainstream stuff smile.gif

right now i am using full synthetic Motul ATF 1A, highly recommended so long it fits your ATF requirement (eg: SP III for mitsubishi or older KIA models that uses the same/similar gearboxes, or dextron III)

before motul it was Caltex ATF J, before that yes Q8
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Oh really? So I can extend until how far actually? 25K? hehe

yeap, I'm switching to boutique ATF as well, just started to realize that my daily ride needs more 'love' biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
hmm.. how much is that Motul ATF 1A? maybe I should give it a try, since you are recommending it.

yeah, I'm using dextron III

How is it? feel more power delivered?
Do you still pour the Lubegard Plat when using that Motul?

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post Nov 30 2015, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 25 2015, 07:14 PM)
i believe most manufacturer recommends between 40-60k km.
just that our weather/traffic jams putting the ATF in much higher temperature/stress and it will thin out a LOT more. (remember how your dip stick have a check at cold/hot levels?)

ok Caltex ATF J was the go-to oil last time, it was semi synthetic at iinm 36/liter
now raised price, 39/liter.

motul ATF 1A was like rm50/liter for fully synthetic.
im not sure if they got raise price recently, but for small difference, i decided that motul ATF 1A was much better than caltex ATF-J

no power difference, but shifts were much faster/crisp. smile.gif
after motul, i no longer use lubegard.
with Caltex ATF J i still did. ultimate my butt dyno says motul ATF 1A > Caltex ATF J + lubegard, never tried motul + lubegard as the transmission performance/specs can no longer improve anyways (it was a very old 3 speed at box since 1999, the designs and usage date was since the 1980's)
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I have decided, and bought the motul ATF 1A from zhapalang last weekend, tongue.gif
Put it to my fren's Myvi, as a tester, notice less jumping when changing gear which is a good start I guess, knowing that there is still old ATF inside the torque converter.

Pricing wise, RM55 each, not including GST, if really will last longer than usual with same performance, quite reasonable I guess.
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post Nov 30 2015, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(izso @ Nov 26 2015, 09:41 AM)
I'm not a believer of additives. Sort of. If you look after the GB well enough, you shouldn't ever need additives. Motul GB oil will cost you a lotta money, adding a RM90 bottle of additive is supposed to help how exactly?

Incidentally, if you're changing ATF soon, make sure you change the ATF filter. ATF very rarely will change colour since it's a closed system. If it does change colour you have a leak somewhere or is overcooking your GB too often and need a cooler.

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Hmm, noted on the filter part and thanks nod.gif
As for additives, after getting the motul, will not add on any additives, 1st is because of budget, 2nd just like u said, maybe its overkill


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post Nov 30 2015, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 30 2015, 07:51 PM)
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Everything also raise price
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Yeah, some more the zhapalang tauke said the price will rise more when selling the new stock because of GST.
The one RM55 is still older stock. sweat.gif

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post Jan 6 2016, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 6 2016, 03:53 PM)
no offense taken biggrin.gif
but you have to also realize i've been in 4 hours straight track days, with each run having an average of 8-10+ laps straight (some math, since my car slow ma, per lap more than 3 minutes... 10 laps = ~30 minutes right?), red lines are pretty constant since our gear ratio is a joke on the track when it involves second gear lol

but no la i dont red line all the time since my power band is between 4.5-5.5k and no reason to hold a red line/lower gear (again, our gear ratio lol) unless i am heel toe downshifting into a corner.
i generally use gear 3 and 4 only, never 5, and gear 2 for turn 1, 2, sometimes 4, 9, sometimes 14, 15.
gear 2 will spike my rpm between 6.5-7.5k
my rev is limited to 7k and it wont upset/bother the car so long it is just a blip aka rev matching and no further revving beyond 7k

if that is not convincing enough, my peak oil temp is 129 Celsius and oil pressure is between 100-130psi on the red lines.

and i thought my reports were all "OMG THERES WEAR YOUR ENGINE IS DYING" if you ever show them to BITOG forum fanatics lol.

yes, ~10k km, 2 track days, 3 TBN.
300v is motul's top of the line/best/highest end racing range, NOT API, JASO, or ACEA certified.

i would assume, maintaining engine cleanliness in racing engines/teams are also among motul's top priorities. (which is in their advertisement as well iinm)
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Hi bro, 129 celcius considered high is it?
I assume u use oil cooler? since I read "track" biggrin.gif
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post Jan 6 2016, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 6 2016, 06:24 PM)
i asked around, most comments i got was somewhere along the line of "you waiting to change engine is it?"

and no, i don't use an oil cooler even though i brought the car to Sepang track days.
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Wow, straight answer for that..
wah, without oil cooler and nothing happens to your engine? thumbup.gif

if I have the budget, will try that oil, the price tag is.. I cannot reach.. tongue.gif
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post Mar 21 2016, 10:11 PM

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long time not coming here. I just got myself a nissan u13 with SR20DE engine.
Just changed the EO to Eneos Motor Oil Racing GT 10w-40 SN/CF, its a semi-syn with price RM95 for 4 liters.

I peek inside the rocker cover and it was quite dirty... will a regular oil change helps cleaning those? hmm.gif

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