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Lushtree
post Oct 6 2015, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Oct 3 2015, 09:34 AM)
I just checked the engine oil condition for my cars back home.

1) 13 year old vios with 215k on ODO. Last oil change was 10k km ago, used tesco fully synthetic (topped up a little 2 months ago with shell helix hx7 due to some oil consumption), colour looks like dirty cooking oil, strong petrol chemical smell but no burnt smell.
2) 4 year old santa fe diesel, 70k on ODO. Last oil change was 4.5k km ago, used shell helix hx7, colour comes out black, no burnt smell.

Question :
Is it normal for diesel oil to turn out in that condition after just 4.5k km? This car has gone through regular servicing in hyundai service centre and engine flushing was done for alternate oil change interval.

Does this mean that i have to use engine oil with stronger detergent or API rating? Shell hx7 is rated for API CF though.
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1. Car that mostly driven in city or short trips will suffer from fuel dilutions, therefor petrol smell from the drain oil is normal, the impact of fuel dilution can lower the viscocity... more engine wear. if you can bring the oil to operating temperture long enough, the pcv systems should take care of the unburnt fuel in the oil.

2. The service centre can make more profits from the engine flush.
Caltex Delo 400 is rated API CI4+/SL, ACEA, JASO AND bunch of EURO OEM STANDARD, it definately a better oil then helix hx7.

http://www.caltex.com.au/FPL%20PDS/Delo%20...0Multigrade.pdf

Lushtree
post Oct 7 2015, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Oct 7 2015, 12:04 AM)
I realised I didn't fully understand what was stated in the attachment. In fact, CJ rated engine oils are suitable even for Malaysia Euro 2 grade diesel. Readings can be found in the FAQ in API website.

http://www.apicj-4.org/faqs.html (see item 7)
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The CJ-4 rated oil are recommned for fuel sulfuer levels up to 500ppm, and is backward compatible. if you car spec for CI-4, you can use CJ-4.

The up coming API diesel oil are more confuse:
API CK-4, New HDEO category, expected to be backwards compatible.

API FA-4, NEW fuel-saving HEDO category, may not be fully backwards compatible. so 10W30 and 5W30 HEDO is on the way.


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post Oct 7 2015, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 7 2015, 02:25 PM)
that is some interesting information you got there, you in O&G by any chance?

i'm not particularly looking into diesel so my info can be very limited.
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Well, the following link have some information for the new API HDEO rating, it still in development stage, everything could change before the standard became official.

http://www.equipmentworld.com/new-heavy-du...u-need-to-know/

The new GF-6, API S? for petrol car engine oil will come with 0W-16 and 5W16, a new SAE viscocity grade too.

https://www.infineum.com/media/80723/api-en...sifications.pdf



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post Oct 8 2015, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 7 2015, 05:55 PM)
yea i've posted before on xw16 which i am really looking forward to it since i've been on 0w20 myself biggrin.gif

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wow nice pdf, have some clarification on base oil grouping as well! biggrin.gif
pinned that doc from infineum on first page smile.gif
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Yeap, the engine oil will going thiner with every new API category.

The 0w16 is not the thiner oil in SAE oil chart. Honda wants SAE 8 and SAE 12 oil into the utral-fuel saving engine, and the requests for the new oil viscocity seem already approve by SAE.


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post May 8 2017, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ May 7 2017, 10:20 AM)
is it true that if you are on 10w30 and experience regular engine overheating, switching to 10w40 (or perhaps fully synthetic) would likely solve the overheating problem?
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Not really.

The SAE xw30 is better vs xw40 engine oils to maintenance the engine temperature.

The xw30 are less fiction drag between the metal surfaces, hence less heat are generated from the engine.

The xw30 are thinner in viscosity, therefore it does possess a better oil flow in the engine crankcase, and engine heat can be remove quicker compare to the xw40 engine oil.

With that said, xw40 engine oil are unlikely will causing the engine overheat, did you look into the cooling systems, radiator, mixture of coolant, cooling fan….etc.


 

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