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izso
post Sep 9 2015, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(Terence573 @ Sep 8 2015, 08:45 PM)
Im using royal purple HPS synerlec 5w30 for my myvi

but after a while like 8k km usage the engine seems no power...

after changing oil the kick is back

it claims it can go until 20000km before oil change? lol...now im seriously doubt that.
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RP has awesome detergents. It'll superclean your engine internals really aggressively. For me I had the same experience, 5k then change. But the longer I used it the longer the OCI was (based on butt feel like you). Eventually I reached 10k km OCI. It's not a bad oil, just aggressive detergent additives.

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 8 2015, 08:57 PM)
well, there was a demonstration on how the test shouldn't be taken too seriously, hence the term "1 arm bandit".
Why? because head and shoulders shampoo also fared damn well (iinm, was the best performer too lol), should we put in head and shoulders now since it contains a decent amount of zinc?
obviously there could be some bias/methodology issue on these tests, however the point remains.
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If you looked at the video you'll also understand why human or machine applied pressure wouldn't matter much, unless you can have a full replacement of the entire pressure grinder/test subject (That piece of metal?) itself, or hell, individual falex machine.

That is not to say i don't disagree with you though. however afaik there is an actual ASTM engine wear tests however that test is rather costy (for the test bench/engine/specific equipment and what not) and the independent/customized ones may lack some credibility (IINM shell has it, to demonstrate their pennzoil/shell pure plus)

Daniel has been hoping i'd put their oils to the ultimate test by having UOA done so we'll see how that goes biggrin.gif

you know what, i am actually curious on what temps i am getting as well, so i am looking into oil pressure/temp gauge, hopefully can get a decent 2 in 1 one (looking at depo atm) and be done with it.
to my knowledge, all i need to do is have the pressure/temp sandwich plate thingy and just figure out how to wire into the cabin?
what gauge you got/how you set it up btw?
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That's a good video, I've never seen that one before. Ok good info though. As for gauge, I got the 4-in-1 depo gauge and set it up myself. Quite easy. If you buy a reputable brand sandwich and install it properly, it won't leak la. I've used it on my Wira for so long no issues.


QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Sep 9 2015, 10:33 AM)
May i know where can i find bigger and cheaper priced lubricants other than Aeon's Eneos/spare parts shop?
I know a little about my engine oils but i do not want to be limited to what i can find at car spare parts shops and Aeon's Eneos isnt cheap.

Thanks.
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Usually I'd just recommend going to any spare parts shop nearest to your house. The more you go there, the better you can build a relationship with them and the more they'll share good stuff and good pricing with you. The shop that I deal with even ajaks me for the sometimes.

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post Sep 9 2015, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(izso @ Sep 9 2015, 03:06 PM)
That's a good video, I've never seen that one before. Ok good info though. As for gauge, I got the 4-in-1 depo gauge and set it up myself. Quite easy. If you buy a reputable brand sandwich and install it properly, it won't leak la. I've used it on my Wira for so long no issues.
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oo how much pricing/where you got it from? (both the sandwich plate/gauge)
if not convenient over thread please pm me, thanks biggrin.gif

need to figure out how to route the cabling into the cabin as well, not to mention modern cars having a lot of panels and what not to deal with to keep the wiring tidy/hidden sweat.gif

any specific tips/things (installing it properly a bit general to me) to watch out to avoid leaks? use lots of PTFE plumbing tapes or something?
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post Sep 9 2015, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 9 2015, 11:00 AM)
woah staff edit wont shot notification lol.

also NASA oil is shit. nothing aerospace about it.
pennzoil oil in malaysia also by shit UMW and dont have the latest formulations/blends.
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yeah NASA is just bad... i used it before and it sucks, that why i am now using this Magna instead.
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post Sep 9 2015, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 9 2015, 10:29 AM)
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Anyways, have you tried before Reline's engine oil?

Saja nak tanya apa opinion engkau. Nowadays buy motul also sked paper wrapped chicken. Have to try some brands that are not too common.

Considering Moty's also but a bit sakit the price.

Redline Synthetic Oil

Moty's M111 or M112

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post Sep 9 2015, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 9 2015, 03:34 PM)
oo how much pricing/where you got it from? (both the sandwich plate/gauge)
if not convenient over thread please pm me, thanks biggrin.gif

need to figure out how to route the cabling into the cabin as well, not to mention modern cars having a lot of panels and what not to deal with to keep the wiring tidy/hidden sweat.gif

any specific tips/things (installing it properly a bit general to me) to watch out to avoid leaks? use lots of PTFE plumbing tapes or something?
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Teflon tape is something you cannot run away la. Even if the adapter is good, it doesn't mean the threads on the sensors are good enough. With pressure, it will eventually find it's way out.

So, teflon tape is just a safeguard against having oil dripping onto whatever is below the adapter loh.

Don't do, leak. You got no one to blame but yourself.

Do, don't leak. At least you more happier having a clean engine bay la rite? Or you can undo everything and re-do without teflon tape to see if it leaks just to satisfy your curiosity.

Just see which jalan you want to take only.
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QUOTE(nm7 @ Sep 9 2015, 06:56 PM)
Anyways, have you tried before Reline's engine oil?

Saja nak tanya apa opinion engkau. Nowadays buy motul also sked paper wrapped chicken. Have to try some brands that are not too common.

Considering Moty's also but a bit sakit the price.

Redline Synthetic Oil

Moty's M111 or M112
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redline tarak, they never had API certification and they tend to rely on zinc/zddp additives a lot on their formulation which is a catalyst poison (which also explains why they can't deal with API lol)

their gear oil (MTL 75w80 GL4) yes, with UOA as well.

no idea on Moty, motul tau la, and that one hard to paper wrap chicken because of that heavy ester scent lol
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post Sep 9 2015, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(nm7 @ Sep 9 2015, 07:04 PM)
Teflon tape is something you cannot run away la. Even if the adapter is good, it doesn't mean the threads on the sensors are good enough. With pressure, it will eventually find it's way out.

So, teflon tape is just a safeguard against having oil dripping onto whatever is below the adapter loh.

Don't do, leak. You got no one to blame but yourself.

Do, don't leak. At least you more happier having a clean engine bay la rite? Or you can undo everything and re-do without teflon tape to see if it leaks just to satisfy your curiosity.

Just see which jalan you want to take only.
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thanks for the info thumbup.gif

already in talks with some folks to get these gauges/sandwich plate done biggrin.gif
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post Sep 9 2015, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 9 2015, 07:08 PM)
redline tarak, they never had API certification and they tend to rely on zinc/zddp additives a lot on their formulation which is a catalyst poison (which also explains why they can't deal with API lol)

their gear oil (MTL 75w80 GL4) yes, with UOA as well.

no idea on Moty, motul tau la, and that one hard to paper wrap chicken because of that heavy ester scent lol
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Redline is cheaper la. Anyways, cat poisoning is not my worry.

As for Motul, it will be too late when i found out that i bought a paper wrapped chicken lo. There was a case that an authorized reseller also gotten a batch of paper wrapped chicken quite long ago. So, buying from safe sources is not 100% guaranteed safe also.

Susah la ini maciam.

The only syiok side of buying Moty's is that i can go Wing Hin and meraba-raba their 86 before i buy my Moty's tongue.gif
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post Sep 9 2015, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(nm7 @ Sep 9 2015, 07:44 PM)
Redline is cheaper la. Anyways, cat poisoning is not my worry.

As for Motul, it will be too late when i found out that i bought a paper wrapped chicken lo. There was a case that an authorized reseller also gotten a batch of paper wrapped chicken quite long ago. So, buying from safe sources is not 100% guaranteed safe also.

Susah la ini maciam.

The only syiok side of buying Moty's is that i can go Wing Hin and meraba-raba their 86 before i buy my Moty's  tongue.gif
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these days not that cheap also even for redline. but yes it is cheaper than motul 300v la.

well, i can't guarantee anything aside that it's safer if you buy from reseller/seller that take stocks from the official distributor which is High N lubricants based in Taman Setiawangsa (no you cant go direct to them unless you got connections, i know i couldnt lol)

Zhapalang where i get my motul from is from high n, and if you mail motul directly (yes i did lol) they will point you to either motul sg/high N anyways.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 9 2015, 08:51 PM)
these days not that cheap also even for redline. but yes it is cheaper than motul 300v la.

well, i can't guarantee anything aside that it's safer if you buy from reseller/seller that take stocks from the official distributor which is High N lubricants based in Taman Setiawangsa (no you cant go direct to them unless you got connections, i know i couldnt lol)

Zhapalang where i get my motul from is from high n, and if you mail motul directly (yes i did lol) they will point you to either motul sg/high N anyways.
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Haha. I know someone from cybertech ma. So, redline is like 2/3 the cost of 300v for me.
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post Sep 9 2015, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Sep 9 2015, 10:51 AM)
Thanks. Any spare parts shop to recommend in Jalan Ipoh or nearby where they have a  big selection of ori oils?

Btw im currently using NASA Semi syn 10W40. Bought this a few years ago for RM75 if not mistaken. Doesnt make much difference with my previous Pennzoil Fully Syn oil.
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Would you like to try Kendall Heavy Duty EO?
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post Sep 10 2015, 11:25 PM

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anyone experience coolant temp changes after using different brand/grade of engine oil?

was using Ravenol 5w40 previously, and noticed my temp fluctuate less, currently using motul 300v 5w30 and it fluctuates more eventhough the max temp remains the same..
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Since my 13 year old vios work horse has 215k km in it, was thinking of doing a good cleanup.

My question, if I pour in engine oil that is diesel specific, will it cause problems? My thinking was that the additional detergents in it could really help the cleanup.
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QUOTE(kevin613 @ Sep 10 2015, 11:25 PM)
anyone experience coolant temp changes after using different brand/grade of engine oil?

was using Ravenol 5w40 previously, and noticed my temp fluctuate less, currently using motul 300v 5w30 and it fluctuates more eventhough the max temp remains the same..
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if you want to be particular on temps, perhaps should take oil temps.

personally didnt really have coolant temp fluctuations, just sit at middle.
from obd also 5-10ish degrees (80-90? maybe) up down depending on condition
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Sep 10 2015, 11:48 PM)
Since my 13 year old vios work horse has 215k km in it, was thinking of doing a good cleanup.

My question, if I pour in engine oil that is diesel specific, will it cause problems? My thinking was that the additional detergents in it could really help the cleanup.
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if you want to be sure, use diesel EO that has API service level/certification for petrol combustion engine smile.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 11 2015, 01:32 AM)
if you want to be particular on temps, perhaps should take oil temps.

personally didnt really have coolant temp fluctuations, just sit at middle.
from obd also 5-10ish degrees (80-90? maybe) up down depending on condition
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thing is scangauge2 couldn't read the oil temps on my car, hence coolant temp is the only thing i monitor. mine fluctuates from 80+ to 90+ now with most of the time in 90 region when i'm driving, while previously was lower at 80+ region when i'm using ravenol EO.
Anyway, no biggie, just some casual observation of the changes, and wanted to know if anyone experience it too.

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post Sep 11 2015, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(kevin613 @ Sep 11 2015, 10:33 AM)
thing is scangauge2 couldn't read the oil temps on my car, hence coolant temp is the only thing i monitor. mine fluctuates from 80+ to 90+ now with most of the time in 90 region when i'm driving, while previously was lower at 80+ region when i'm using ravenol EO.
Anyway, no biggie, just some casual observation of the changes, and wanted to know if anyone experience it too.
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OBD based? most stock car do not have oil temperature/pressure (well afaik majority of car only detects where it's low pressure or not, no values included) monitoring.

you'll have to get a sandwich plate between the oil filter and have extra gauge.

that's what we've discussed a little few pages back.

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what car/engine anyways since you're willing to use 300v? quite rare i must say haha

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 11 2015, 10:41 AM)
OBD based? most stock car do not have oil temperature/pressure (well afaik majority of car only detects where it's low pressure or not, no values included) monitoring.

you'll have to get a sandwich plate between the oil filter and have extra gauge.

that's what we've discussed a little few pages back.

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what car/engine anyways since you're willing to use 300v? quite rare i must say haha
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yes, OBD based
http://www.scangauge.com/products/scangaugeii/


Impreza GE7, EJ204 Manual:)
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post Sep 11 2015, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(kevin613 @ Sep 11 2015, 11:00 AM)
yes, OBD based
http://www.scangauge.com/products/scangaugeii/
Impreza GE7, EJ204 Manual:)
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ooo nice car thumbup.gif

btw ever thought of torque app on android/mobile? XD
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post Sep 11 2015, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 11 2015, 11:09 AM)
ooo nice car thumbup.gif

btw ever thought of torque app on android/mobile? XD
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Yeah, considered that, but wanted something that's permanently placed in the car and can display without much setting up. That's why I went with scangauge 2.

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