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post Sep 7 2015, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(qeyl90 @ Sep 7 2015, 06:39 AM)
Using one.hopefully worth it..haha
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dropped some queries to them myself biggrin.gif

some interesting stuffs:
http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products.php?...id_products=748

http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products.php?id_products=747

QUOTE(izso @ Sep 7 2015, 07:11 AM)
Which Penrite lube you using? They have this kinda weird +10 tech that's unique to them. I'm still researching on how that works. Also, their prices are quite competitive cuz for around RM240 a bottle (thereabouts) they give 5L bottles.
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http://www.penriteoil.com.au/tech_pdfs/204...Extra%20Ten.pdf

even in their own marketing, it doesn't seem that unique lol.
they are using the traditional "thicker viscosity = more protection" mind set.

nonetheless, i am still quite intrigued in their high zinc/anti wear ppm values for their racing lineup.
even motul 300v doesn't offer that much wink.gif

also, Penriteoilmalaysia Michael Lim has just replied me biggrin.gif
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post Sep 7 2015, 02:00 PM

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also checking out their DOT 5.1:
http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products.php?...id_products=695

in comparison to motul:
https://www.motul.com/system/product_descri....pdf?1335380578

generally from specs, looks the same lol.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 7 2015, 01:29 PM)
dropped some queries to them myself biggrin.gif

some interesting stuffs:
http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products.php?...id_products=748

http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products.php?id_products=747
http://www.penriteoil.com.au/tech_pdfs/204...Extra%20Ten.pdf

even in their own marketing, it doesn't seem that unique lol.
they are using the traditional "thicker viscosity = more protection" mind set.

nonetheless, i am still quite intrigued in their high zinc/anti wear ppm values for their racing lineup.
even motul 300v doesn't offer that much wink.gif

also, Penriteoilmalaysia Michael Lim has just replied me biggrin.gif
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So what does he say.hahaa...im only using the mineral evryday one..but a 5L bottle..d price is okay..im just hoping it got d quality with it...been let down by so many other lube..

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post Sep 7 2015, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(qeyl90 @ Sep 7 2015, 04:22 PM)
So what does he say.hahaa...im only using the mineral evryday one..but a 5L bottle..d price is okay..im just hoping it got d quality with it...been let down by so many other lube..
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oh i loaded him with a ton of stuff so it could take a while before he reverts (and hopefully he does instead of running away laugh.gif)

similar/like you, i have been let down by a lot of lubes (in particularly, the reviews/feedback from locals) as well and hence i've put my foot down to demand on data sheets, certifications, and even UOA smile.gif
(feel free to refer to first page)
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post Sep 7 2015, 08:50 PM

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izso

looks like the boss (i believe?) Daniel Lim directly contacted me.
We had a lot of chat, nice guy haha
got to refer back to Penrite principle though for most of my queries.

also i've come across on your review here:
http://www.zerotohundred.com/2014/penrite-...w/#.U_aWZ2P0xJV

naturally i dig:
http://www.qmi.no/teknisk/Norway%20photos/...modorecover.pdf
http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/topi...nulon/?p=402871

and then:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...rue#Post1093073
http://www.300cforumz.com/showpost.php?p=368732&postcount=9
http://www.300cforumz.com/showthread.php?t=64063

1 arm bandit tongue.gif
by this test, even the infamous JTX will score damn good, or hell, head and shoulders shampoo tongue.gif

to be fair your review was dated back a long time ago and you probably didn't come across your mind at that time.
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post Sep 8 2015, 06:59 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 7 2015, 01:29 PM)
also, Penriteoilmalaysia Michael Lim has just replied me biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 7 2015, 08:50 PM)
Actually - the 1 arm bandit test does have some merit to it. If the pressure or force used to press down the arm is the same (meaning a weight is used instead of human effort) then the results will show for itself. JTX won't survive this test vs the other brands like Royal Purple and Penrite.

And to be fair to me I did say it was a "simple" test. At that point of time all I could really test was engine heat and constant high revving to simulate track environment. With Pennzoil and some other oils I've actually seen the temperature reach 140 to 150 deg Celsius which is a little too hot for my liking. Rock oil and Penrite plus one other brand Ravenol has ever managed to keep the engine temp below 100 Deg C no matter how hard I revved it and kept revving it. Worth noting I only ever use fully syn oils. JTX would die man.

And yeah, I know both Michael and Daniel. Very animated blokes and are willing to go the distance for their brand (not technically their brand, just the brand they are marketing). They've taken up 2 challenges so far, one was me thrashing the car on track with the oil and comparing it directly with my favorite (Rock Oil) and the other was economy/performance test on my fuel guzzler other car. Economy so far hasn't produced any results but performance wise in terms of the car starts to deteriorate after being stuck in a jam in hot afternoon weather seems to be working. Hard to justify though so I'm thinking of some sort of test for this.

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post Sep 8 2015, 08:45 PM

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Im using royal purple HPS synerlec 5w30 for my myvi

but after a while like 8k km usage the engine seems no power...

after changing oil the kick is back

it claims it can go until 20000km before oil change? lol...now im seriously doubt that.



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post Sep 8 2015, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(izso @ Sep 8 2015, 06:59 AM)
Actually - the 1 arm bandit test does have some merit to it. If the pressure or force used to press down the arm is the same (meaning a weight is used instead of human effort) then the results will show for itself. JTX won't survive this test vs the other brands like Royal Purple and Penrite.

And to be fair to me I did say it was a "simple" test. At that point of time all I could really test was engine heat and constant high revving to simulate track environment. With Pennzoil and some other oils I've actually seen the temperature reach 140 to 150 deg Celsius which is a little too hot for my liking. Rock oil and Penrite plus one other brand Ravenol has ever managed to keep the engine temp below 100 Deg C no matter how hard I revved it and kept revving it. Worth noting I only ever use fully syn oils. JTX would die man.

And yeah, I know both Michael and Daniel. Very animated blokes and are willing to go the distance for their brand (not technically their brand, just the brand they are marketing). They've taken up 2 challenges so far, one was me thrashing the car on track with the oil and comparing it directly with my favorite (Rock Oil) and the other was economy/performance test on my fuel guzzler other car. Economy so far hasn't produced any results but performance wise in terms of the car starts to deteriorate after being stuck in a jam in hot afternoon weather seems to be working. Hard to justify though so I'm thinking of some sort of test for this.
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well, there was a demonstration on how the test shouldn't be taken too seriously, hence the term "1 arm bandit".
Why? because head and shoulders shampoo also fared damn well (iinm, was the best performer too lol), should we put in head and shoulders now since it contains a decent amount of zinc?
obviously there could be some bias/methodology issue on these tests, however the point remains.
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If you looked at the video you'll also understand why human or machine applied pressure wouldn't matter much, unless you can have a full replacement of the entire pressure grinder/test subject (That piece of metal?) itself, or hell, individual falex machine.

That is not to say i don't disagree with you though. however afaik there is an actual ASTM engine wear tests however that test is rather costy (for the test bench/engine/specific equipment and what not) and the independent/customized ones may lack some credibility (IINM shell has it, to demonstrate their pennzoil/shell pure plus)

Daniel has been hoping i'd put their oils to the ultimate test by having UOA done so we'll see how that goes biggrin.gif

you know what, i am actually curious on what temps i am getting as well, so i am looking into oil pressure/temp gauge, hopefully can get a decent 2 in 1 one (looking at depo atm) and be done with it.
to my knowledge, all i need to do is have the pressure/temp sandwich plate thingy and just figure out how to wire into the cabin?
what gauge you got/how you set it up btw?
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post Sep 9 2015, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 8 2015, 08:57 PM)
well, there was a demonstration on how the test shouldn't be taken too seriously, hence the term "1 arm bandit".
Why? because head and shoulders shampoo also fared damn well (iinm, was the best performer too lol), should we put in head and shoulders now since it contains a decent amount of zinc?
obviously there could be some bias/methodology issue on these tests, however the point remains.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

If you looked at the video you'll also understand why human or machine applied pressure wouldn't matter much, unless you can have a full replacement of the entire pressure grinder/test subject (That piece of metal?) itself, or hell, individual falex machine.

That is not to say i don't disagree with you though. however afaik there is an actual ASTM engine wear tests however that test is rather costy (for the test bench/engine/specific equipment and what not) and the independent/customized ones may lack some credibility (IINM shell has it, to demonstrate their pennzoil/shell pure plus)

Daniel has been hoping i'd put their oils to the ultimate test by having UOA done so we'll see how that goes biggrin.gif

you know what, i am actually curious on what temps i am getting as well, so i am looking into oil pressure/temp gauge, hopefully can get a decent 2 in 1 one (looking at depo atm) and be done with it.
to my knowledge, all i need to do is have the pressure/temp sandwich plate thingy and just figure out how to wire into the cabin?
what gauge you got/how you set it up btw?
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The oil adapter might leak oil wer. Have to use a lot of teflon tape
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QUOTE(nm7 @ Sep 9 2015, 09:48 AM)
The oil adapter might leak oil wer. Have to use a lot of teflon tape
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May i know where can i find bigger and cheaper priced lubricants other than Aeon's Eneos/spare parts shop?
I know a little about my engine oils but i do not want to be limited to what i can find at car spare parts shops and Aeon's Eneos isnt cheap.

Thanks.
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post Sep 9 2015, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Sep 9 2015, 10:33 AM)
May i know where can i find bigger and cheaper priced lubricants other than Aeon's Eneos/spare parts shop?
I know a little about my engine oils but i do not want to be limited to what i can find at car spare parts shops and Aeon's Eneos isnt cheap.

Thanks.
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tesco/giant are popular places for lubricants as well if cheap is your criteria.

among the best brands you can get for cheap are the latest shell helix ultra full synthetic with pureplus, mobil 1 (rarely on promo though), following by total/quartz/castrol oils.
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Thanks. Any spare parts shop to recommend in Jalan Ipoh or nearby where they have a big selection of ori oils?

Btw im currently using NASA Semi syn 10W40. Bought this a few years ago for RM75 if not mistaken. Doesnt make much difference with my previous Pennzoil Fully Syn oil.
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Sep 9 2015, 10:51 AM)
Thanks. Any spare parts shop to recommend in Jalan Ipoh or nearby where they have a  big selection of ori oils?
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i don't particularly shop for lubricants at jalan ipoh.

i do source most of my lubricants from Zhapalang kepong:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Zhapalang...#33;6m1!1e1

for spare part shops at jalan ipoh, i typically go between:
C&T auto spare parts:
https://www.google.com.my/maps/@3.2034861,1...1!1e1?hl=en

Vanli:
https://www.google.com.my/maps/@3.1818653,1...1!1e1?hl=en

or ck wong for my ori proton parts (authorized part stockist on proton website as well):
https://www.google.com.my/maps/@3.1840829,1...1!1e1?hl=en
not much lubes besides the proton repacked ones, or some mitsubishi/elf/renault due to their savvy/inspira/previous rebadges
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Sep 9 2015, 10:51 AM)

Btw im currently using NASA Semi syn 10W40. Bought this a few years ago for RM75 if not mistaken. Doesnt make much difference with my previous Pennzoil Fully Syn oil.
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woah staff edit wont shot notification lol.

also NASA oil is shit. nothing aerospace about it.
pennzoil oil in malaysia also by shit UMW and dont have the latest formulations/blends.
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I combined my posts as its tidier. Last time i bought NASA coz i felt it was quite good on my old saga lmst.
Yea, now i know not to go fo local blended oils anymore.
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Sep 9 2015, 11:04 AM)
I combined my posts as its tidier. Last time i bought NASA coz i felt it was quite good on my old saga lmst.
Yea, now i know not to go fo local blended oils anymore.
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not to discriminate against local oils, they can be good if done in proper,

- being reputable (well you can argue that JTX is fucking famous but hey lol)
- API Certification

for example boutique/performance oil Shenzo has it:
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsRe...ndName%3Dshenzo

http://www.shenzoracingoil.com/japan-engin...page-27993.html

not cheap though, about 230-260+ for their fully synthetics/per 4 liter can

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oooo 235? looks like they lowered price lol

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lol i got both the NASA and Pannzoil from Zhapalang many years ago
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Sep 9 2015, 11:21 AM)
lol i got both the NASA and Pannzoil from Zhapalang many years ago
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dont get again la, they sell amsoil/motul/torco/chemlube etc
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 9 2015, 11:00 AM)
also NASA oil is shit. nothing aerospace about it.
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Strongly agreed. My mom service car kena kasih NASA oil, previously could reach 150kmph, after that, struggling to even go above 80kmph. Most fcukup oil ever used. Even Shell Helix mineral is better.



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