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davidke20
post Apr 21 2015, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 21 2015, 11:00 AM)
it's not about cheap or expensive.

it's about the oil's base stock/additives, basically overall formulation being capable of meeting the majority of engine requirements.
and how can we tell if an oil meets (or do not meet) the required standards etc? manufacturer claims? all manufacturer are out there to make a profit. no one would be stupid enough to say how their oil is bad.

that's where 3rd party licensing/certification such as the API (able to publicly query their directory), ILSAC, ACEA and JASO etc are there to help govern/give end users an assurance that a product is up to par.
reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_oil

and YES, there ARE CHEAP full synthetic products that are API SN certified!
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=69376847
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsRe...brandName%3Dzic

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What credit do I have here? I use cheap oil. Recently migrated to DIESEL oil. Pardon my ignorance, ady on my 3rd oil change whistling.gif
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post Apr 22 2015, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Apr 21 2015, 11:46 PM)
What credit do I have here? I use cheap oil. Recently migrated to DIESEL oil. Pardon my ignorance, ady on my 3rd oil change whistling.gif
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thought you used that? or at least we discussed about it long time ago lol
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post Apr 22 2015, 07:17 AM

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Sigh. The topic of diesel oils again.

Diesel oils have extremely high amounts of detergents in their formula mainly because diesel engines need it. On a petrol engine that's not a bad thing either. However diesel oils don't have as much of the other additives (if any) such as anti-shearing additives and high temperature resistance capabilities.

If you don't rev much, don't have a overly hot engine, change oils monthly like the other fella here, then you'll probably never have problems with your engine except for the average heavy price on the oil.

But if you are a heavy revver and change oils every 8000km then good luck to you.
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post Apr 22 2015, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 22 2015, 12:03 AM)
thought you used that? or at least we discussed about it long time ago lol
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Very light oil. When I used it on my Shawie, white smoke come out laugh.gif Around 3800km of abused, it gave me a shock when I took out my dipstick. Oil mark stays at or slightly above MIN level. By 5000km, oil mark fall below dipstick indicator doh.gif However, that's the best FC oil I've used so far. It yield me an average of 15km/l for that 2 months period.

QUOTE(izso @ Apr 22 2015, 07:17 AM)
Sigh. The topic of diesel oils again.

Diesel oils have extremely high amounts of detergents in their formula mainly because diesel engines need it. On a petrol engine that's not a bad thing either. However diesel oils don't have as much of the other additives (if any) such as anti-shearing additives and high temperature resistance capabilities.

If you don't rev much, don't have a overly hot engine, change oils monthly like the other fella here, then you'll probably never have problems with your engine except for the average heavy price on the oil.

But if you are a heavy revver and change oils every 8000km then good luck to you.
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Just to clarify, I never discuss engine oil with people. It's a sole discretion of chooshing huat ranjiao oil to put in the engine. If it's damaged, it's my engine, my wallet yang sakit. So don't worry about it. Merely kena dragged in by the bugger Quazacolt nod.gif Btw, am already practicing 15k mileage OCI.

If you don't mind I ask, what is anti-shearing additives and high temperature resistance capabilities? From where does any petrol based engine oil it stated the oil is anti-shearing and high temperature resistance?
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post Apr 22 2015, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Apr 22 2015, 08:30 AM)
Very light oil. When I used it on my Shawie, white smoke come out laugh.gif Around 3800km of abused, it gave me a shock when I took out my dipstick. Oil mark stays at or slightly above MIN level. By 5000km, oil mark fall below dipstick indicator doh.gif However, that's the best FC oil I've used so far. It yield me an average of 15km/l for that 2 months period.

If you don't mind I ask, what is anti-shearing additives and high temperature resistance capabilities? From where does any petrol based engine oil it stated the oil is anti-shearing and high temperature resistance?
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for those additives mentioned, first page would have some info on it ma tongue.gif
more specific (i'll add to first page lol)
shear: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/oilshear.htm

for temperature, it generally deals with viscosity stability and prevention of oil flashing:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/putting-the-...into-viscosity/
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/esters-in-sy...tic-lubricants/

as i believe these can be a bit complex for the general consumer/layman, they aren't specifically, if any at all.
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post Apr 22 2015, 10:28 AM

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Yup davidke20, I didn't condemn or say anything. I just said "good luck"
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post Apr 22 2015, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 22 2015, 09:21 AM)
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for those additives mentioned, first page would have some info on it ma tongue.gif
more specific (i'll add to first page lol)
shear: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/oilshear.htm

for temperature, it generally deals with viscosity stability and prevention of oil flashing:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/putting-the-...into-viscosity/
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/esters-in-sy...tic-lubricants/

as i believe these can be a bit complex for the general consumer/layman, they aren't specifically, if any at all.
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wah so geng. any specific brand got stated such additive being added into their product ar? nod.gif
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post Apr 22 2015, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Apr 22 2015, 04:29 PM)
wah so geng. any specific brand got stated such additive being added into their product ar? nod.gif
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random google:
http://www.nismo.co.jp/en/products/competi...neup/15w50.html
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2212E (15W50) has such tremendously stable anti-shearing viscosity that it ensures good oil film retention even with high torque at low speeds, while keeping friction loss to an absolute minimum. It was made to handle extreme increases in torque such as with NOS injection.

To deliver the greatest possible reliability without sacrificing output performance, a special multifunction polymer which augments both anti-shear stability as well detergent dispersion was used. This not only protects oil film but also provides excellent anti-oil-coking performance for improved lubrication of turbine bearings.


temperature lagi easy:
https://mobiloil.com/en/article/why-the-mob...-oil-protection
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/perform...ure-protection/
(rofl i didn't know china bullet train using royal purple... but hey, good that we have this discussion also. get to learn)
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post Apr 22 2015, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Apr 22 2015, 04:29 PM)
wah so geng. any specific brand got stated such additive being added into their product ar? nod.gif
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australia also ada lol
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsRe...yName%3Dpenrite

http://www.penriteoil.com.au/POS/10Tenths_Brochure.pdf
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post Apr 22 2015, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 22 2015, 04:44 PM)
random google:
http://www.nismo.co.jp/en/products/competi...neup/15w50.html
temperature lagi easy:
https://mobiloil.com/en/article/why-the-mob...-oil-protection
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/perform...ure-protection/
(rofl i didn't know china bullet train using royal purple... but hey, good that we have this discussion also. get to learn)
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Fulama NISMO wei. After plonk into my Proton Savvy sure it will turn my Daihatsu Delta diesel engine into GTR V8 injin brows.gif How marj, if not too expansib I wanto try icon_idea.gif
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post Apr 22 2015, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Apr 22 2015, 06:06 PM)
Fulama NISMO wei. After plonk into my Proton Savvy sure it will turn my Daihatsu Delta diesel engine into GTR V8 injin brows.gif How marj, if not too expansib I wanto try icon_idea.gif
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mak oi the pricing
http://store.zhapalang.com.my/product_info...roducts_id=7062

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post Apr 22 2015, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 22 2015, 06:10 PM)
WTFBBQ shocking.gif Ok NVM. I'll go back continue use my Diehardsu Delta green engine yawn.gif

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post Apr 22 2015, 09:27 PM

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W50 oil macha. Dare putting one into your engine?
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post Apr 23 2015, 07:01 AM

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QUOTE(PedangGila @ Apr 22 2015, 09:27 PM)
W50 oil macha. Dare putting one into your engine?
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The question is why would you want to? Because racecar?
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post Apr 23 2015, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(izso @ Apr 23 2015, 07:01 AM)
The question is why would you want to? Because racecar?
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If my car's engine can generate power like those supergt GT300 sure I'll try one. I dont think a stage 3/4 turbo system in myvi can fully utilised the oil.
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post Apr 24 2015, 02:02 AM

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Please do reccommend EO for Campro. =)

60% short distance travel 40% highway.

Heavy footer too. brows.gif
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post Apr 24 2015, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Apr 21 2015, 11:46 PM)
What credit do I have here? I use cheap oil. Recently migrated to DIESEL oil. Pardon my ignorance, ady on my 3rd oil change whistling.gif
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which HDEO you use? currently i'm using BHP HDEO. Price at RM103 for 5 liters pack.

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Ultimate Multigrade Diesel Engine Oil
SAE 15W-40 API CI-4/SL

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post Apr 25 2015, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(langatian @ Apr 24 2015, 10:16 PM)
which HDEO you use? currently i'm using BHP HDEO. Price at RM103 for 5 liters pack.

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Ultimate Multigrade Diesel Engine Oil
SAE 15W-40 API CI-4/SL

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post Apr 28 2015, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(PedangGila @ Apr 23 2015, 08:47 PM)
If my car's engine can generate power like those supergt GT300 sure I'll try one. I dont think  a stage 3/4 turbo system in myvi can fully utilised the oil.
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Problem with single weight oils is they only work best when heated to optimum temperature. Meaning when cold, the oil will be pretty useless which is why those GT300 or F1 or whatever usually get the oil intravenously fed into the engine after being warmed up separately in a warmer.

QUOTE(Post-Je-Ape-Ape @ Apr 24 2015, 02:02 AM)
Please do reccommend EO for Campro. =)

60% short distance travel 40% highway.

Heavy footer too.  brows.gif
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No point telling us heavy footer or not. Easier to tell what your budget is. I could recommend Motul or LiquiMoli, but if you can't afford the 200+/300+ price no point la. Then again I could recommend you the cheap and cheerful Pennzoil oil but you'd scold me saying that you're not that poor and want something better.
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QUOTE(izso @ Apr 28 2015, 08:52 AM)
Then again I could recommend you the cheap and cheerful Pennzoil oil but you'd scold me saying that you're not that poor and want something better.
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i'm just biased against umw and pennzoil in Malaysia is carried by them.

Only way is to get parallel import stocks via tesco/giant, but they only carry the "mainstream" xw40 and no 0w20 and typically only come in Shell helix ultra (with pureplus)

there's also the parallel importers like LYN sellers or Singaporean sellers.

really want to give pureplus a shot someday, although i tend to wonder how does it fare against Motul 300v, *seemingly* the epitome of engine oils/ester lubricant research.

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