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post Aug 12 2019, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 5 2019, 04:33 PM)
How much at Giant?
Tesco sold at rm149 nowadays for shell 5w40
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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Aug 7 2019, 03:04 PM)
Yes. Same price. Supposingly hx8 is lower than ultra but still synthetic
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post Aug 12 2019, 01:45 PM

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Hi guys both are mobil 1 5w30 and which one are recommendable ?


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post Aug 13 2019, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(e-lite @ Aug 5 2019, 11:56 PM)
HX8 is normally Group III oils base. Helix Ultra is normally Group IV oil base.
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Which group oil base is Bosch Premium X7 5w-40? Is this sufficient for BMW 3liter NA, 256hp? Should i change to Helix Ultra? Is it any better to uee Group V oils for this engie? Tq for replies,much apprecitated!
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post Aug 13 2019, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Aug 13 2019, 08:12 AM)
Which group oil base is Bosch Premium X7 5w-40? Is this sufficient for BMW 3liter NA, 256hp? Should i change to Helix Ultra? Is it any better to uee Group V oils for this engie? Tq for replies,much apprecitated!
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come on ...shell ultra is definitely better than bosch
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post Aug 13 2019, 01:28 PM

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Hi everyone, currently using 10w-30 on my old 2004 mitsu waja, would you guys recommend moving to a thicker grade to smoothen the engine, currently it's a bit noisy and rough.

Also, any specific brands that you have noticed are kinder to older cars and make then run better?

Thanks in advance for your inputs.
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post Aug 13 2019, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(dopamine @ Aug 12 2019, 01:45 PM)
Hi guys both are mobil 1 5w30 and which one are recommendable ?
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Both are ok, but ESP may have stronger shear stability and lower volatility compared to the regular mobil1 as ESP meets ACEA c3 specification.

Any car past 2010 would likely have no issues with either 2 oil actually.

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Aug 13 2019, 02:00 PM)
Both are ok, but ESP may have stronger shear stability and lower volatility compared to the regular mobil1 as ESP meets ACEA c3 specification.

Any car past 2010 would likely have no issues with either 2 oil actually.
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Thanks for your reply. Sorry for noob question. EO with ACEA C3 is higher grade than ACEA A3/b4?
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post Aug 13 2019, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(dopamine @ Aug 13 2019, 03:07 PM)
Thanks for your reply. Sorry for noob question. EO with ACEA C3 is higher grade than ACEA A3/b4?
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There are a lot of technicalities involved to explain this, that i myself can't fully grasp.

ACEA C or ACEA A series, which is better depends very much on application, but both generally can be used in petrol and diesel engines. C series has more focus on emissions system protection, quite a lot of it is mainly more european diesel vehicles. Due to the requirements to meet certain criteria in C series, they generally are more shear stable and less volatile, as seen on some of the oil analysis seen in various forums (although not absolute).

Wonder whether daikor Quazacolt and empire23 willing to chip in with their much detailed understanding.

If in doubt, better stick to what your car manual recommends. Car makes spend many millions and they know what is best.
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Aug 13 2019, 03:19 PM)
There are a lot of technicalities involved to explain this, that i myself can't fully grasp.

ACEA C or ACEA A series, which is better depends very much on application, but both generally can be used in petrol and diesel engines. C series has more focus on emissions system protection, quite a lot of it is mainly more european diesel vehicles. Due to the requirements to meet certain criteria in C series, they generally are more shear stable and less volatile, as seen on some of the oil analysis seen in various forums (although not absolute).

Wonder whether daikor Quazacolt and empire23 willing to chip in with their much detailed understanding.

If in doubt, better stick to what your car manual recommends. Car makes spend many millions and they know what is best.
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can u review the mobil 1 extended mileage?
can n safe to use says 15k km above?

i bought the mobil 1 silver colour, 5w30, just yet to service my car yet. all this while with honda sc 0w20
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 13 2019, 03:54 PM)
can u review the mobil 1 extended mileage?
can n safe to use says 15k km above?

i bought the mobil 1 silver colour, 5w30, just yet to service my car yet. all this while with honda sc 0w20
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Never used extended performance before. But i know it advertised as "guaranteed" 15,000 miles, or 24,000km equivalent. They dare to write like this, can assume that they have above average additive package, but i suggest do read their small print to find their disclaimers on this assumption. Extended performance price range is quite high in mobil1 product series.

But mobil1 series generally quite good la sweat.gif

I'm currently on mobil1 ESP, not even 1000km on this oil yet, i also don't know whether good or bad frankly, Butt dyno didn't feel any difference, engine sound also similar to previous engine oil. Only way is through used oil analysis which costs a bomb here in malaysia, just change to any quality full synthetic every 10k - 12k km (or 15k km if you want to push your $$), or 1 year which ever earlier.

Just refer car manual and see what it recommends. If they say API SN, then any certified API SN oil can use. Can ignore those unknown brands and get those big brand names to be on the safe side. Don't think too hard on this subject, can be an insanely deep rabbit hole. You can experiment with different brands and budget within the stated specification in the manual (actually quite a lot to play around).

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post Aug 13 2019, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(dopamine @ Aug 12 2019, 01:45 PM)
Hi guys both are mobil 1 5w30 and which one are recommendable ?
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Depends on your handbook guideline, does it require GF5? If no GF5 requirement, get the ESP as russian site tested it as it is PAO based.

If handbook recommends GF5, stick with vanilla M1 5W-30.

ESP version has higher 100c viscosity at about 12cst IINM. And vanilla M1 being GF5 compliant will stick around 10.5cst

For me myself, i would rather go with vanilla M1 as it has a stronger TBN at 10 (6.5 for ESP) and be at peace with the shitty EURO2 RON95 we have here as my OCI is uncertain; depends on my guts.
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QUOTE(wlchong79 @ Aug 13 2019, 01:13 PM)
come on ...shell ultra is definitely better than bosch
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I'm not sure which is better. Why do say Shell H is better, i dont know if it meets GF5 standards. Bosch Premium X meets GF5 standards. I noticed improved fc on my turbo engine with Bosch.
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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Aug 13 2019, 08:12 AM)
Which group oil base is Bosch Premium X7 5w-40? Is this sufficient for BMW 3liter NA, 256hp? Should i change to Helix Ultra? Is it any better to uee Group V oils for this engie? Tq for replies,much apprecitated!
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Can't find any resources that say Bosch X7 meets LL01 or LL04, so I hv to assume it is just a vanilla SN engine oil. In which case, it shouldn't matter whether it is GrIII, GrIV ror GrV coz this oil can't meet the minimum oil spec for BMW.

SHU on the other hand meets LL01, so that should be your obvious choice, especially when you can find it on sale at major hypermarts. but ls leave some for me and other forummers here OK? tongue.gif


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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Aug 13 2019, 05:12 PM)
I'm not sure which is better. Why do say Shell H is better, i dont know if it meets GF5 standards. Bosch Premium X meets GF5 standards. I noticed improved fc on my turbo engine with Bosch.
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bosch is without automotive approval like what shell ultra have MB229.5 . what bosch have only API certificate. lousy ...packed in SG somemore
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Aug 13 2019, 03:19 PM)
Wonder whether daikor Quazacolt and empire23 willing to chip in with their much detailed understanding.

If in doubt, better stick to what your car manual recommends. Car makes spend many millions and they know what is best.
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I'm no Taikor and I'll repeat what I've mentioned before (and probably mentioned in first page, can't remember):
I'm generally ignorant on ACEA certifications because I cannot publicly query their certifications.

Anyone can claim ACEA standards/certified, but how would a consumer verify it?

It's probably why most car manufacturers either just recommend the API, or just use their own standards such as VW/Mercedes/BMW. (Funny since the ACEA is from Europe)

So I'm not the right person when it comes to ACEA.
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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Aug 13 2019, 05:16 PM)
Can't find any resources that say Bosch X7 meets LL01 or LL04, so I hv to assume it is just a vanilla SN engine oil. In which case, it shouldn't matter whether it is GrIII, GrIV ror GrV coz this oil can't meet the minimum oil spec for BMW.

SHU on the other hand meets LL01, so that should be your obvious choice, especially when you can find it on sale at major hypermarts. but ls leave some for me and other forummers here OK? tongue.gif
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Tks for the info bro! In that case i'll change to SHU since it's better and easily available at Tesco at a reasonable price. Hahaha.....dont worry i wont sappu all!


Btw i like to know more about LL01 and so on. Pls post website that i can do some reading. Also like to know what is min spec for BMW NA engines, mine is N52B30. Manual only gives viscosity.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 13 2019, 11:11 PM)
I'm no Taikor and I'll repeat what I've mentioned before (and probably mentioned in first page, can't remember):
I'm generally ignorant on ACEA certifications because I cannot publicly query their certifications.

Anyone can claim ACEA standards/certified, but how would a consumer verify it?

It's probably why most car manufacturers either just recommend the API, or just use their own standards such as VW/Mercedes/BMW. (Funny since the ACEA is from Europe)

So I'm not the right person when it comes to ACEA.
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Hello. I've been consistently using EO 0w20 fully synthetic since 2014 for my honda city services. The warranty just ended last month. Mind to share is it any goods to change the EO to 5w40 over this 0w20? Or just stick with 0w20?

Can recommend affordable yet good brands for my engine?

Because i planned to do my next mileage services at outside workshops.
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QUOTE(cubiclecarbonate @ Aug 15 2019, 11:55 AM)
Hello. I've been consistently using EO 0w20 fully synthetic since 2014 for my honda city services. The warranty just ended last month. Mind to share is it any goods to change the EO to 5w40 over this 0w20? Or just stick with 0w20?

Can recommend affordable yet good brands for my engine?

Because i planned to do my next mileage services at outside workshops.
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same case like yours, mine is accord 2.4. all this while in SC with 0w20, warranty just ended.
initially really want to buy those shell helix tesco 5w40, but afraid the feeling & FC will lari since differ too much in viscosity.

end up bought mobil 1 5W30 5L bottles, since my car need 4.5L per oil change.
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post Aug 16 2019, 12:19 PM

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Hi Guys,

My current milage clocked at 100K KM and feel current current engine is sluggish after 5K KM.
Would like to know is Liqui Moly engine oil good for Mazda 3 2.0 Skyactiv?
What is the difference between Top Tec 4200, Special Tec AA and Molygen? Which is better for our car?
Are they all fully synthetic? And official said it can last 30K - 50K KM or 2 years for Top Tec 4200, is that possible?

Have anyone tried and any review?

Thanks in advance.

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