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post Oct 13 2014, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(peejayboy @ Oct 13 2014, 04:30 PM)
Tried and tested Motul H Tech 100 + , honestly there is nothing to shout about where it degrades right after 4k km and engine is terribly rough after that.

Try and use Idemitsu fully synthetic 5w30, Syntium 5000 0w30, Total Quartz 9000 5w30 or Torco SR-1 5w30.

As for me even if i use fully syn oils, my OCI are always 5000km/3 months or maximum 7000km/5 months. Not anything longer than that.

Fyi, Proton oil filter is not that bad in terms of their quality. And usually thinner oil provides better overall lubrication and since you do not redline 24/7, there is no reason to use thicker oil. Just my dua cents  biggrin.gif
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i do agree that the motul h tech 100 plus is nothing to shout about. (not much difference in smoothness/performance whatsoever)
however i do disagree that it degrades after 4k km as i've done OCI of 12-16k km with motul h tech 100 plus without any form of degradation whereas SR1 would lose it's "performance characteristics" around 12k-14k km (iinm, have to dig back on my old review/feedback)
no engine roughness at all, and the internals are pretty much sparkling clean/mirror shine as before. laugh.gif

fully syn going such short oci is a thing of the past bro.
i've done really crazy red lines/fuel cuts (feel free to dig my youtube videos) and yet my UOA report turns out that my amsoil 0w20 i drained out is even fresher than BRAND NEW engine oil after around 7 months and 8500km (higher calcium/TBN than other manufacturers virgin oil)

and yes, i am an advocate of thinner lubricants regardless of usage.
even most manufacturers (like honda, ford) are pushing the SAE to officialize 0w16
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QUOTE(y4ng @ Oct 13 2014, 04:47 PM)
hmm okies thanks! i have placed an order for sr-1 for now..

just wondering, u r using neo w r3 extractor but u sold off your 1.5 myvi for it? before i bought my neo cps i was looking at 1.5 myvi manual is it that bad?

so what oil are you using currently?
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no probs! smile.gif i'm still using stock extractor tho, only change the r3 muffler and previously was driving myvi 1.5 auto as it was family car. I would say myvi has better response due to the "drive by cable" setup as compared to drive by wire. But handling and top speed, myvi no match hahah.

Now currently on syntium 5000 0w30 by proton sc so far so thumbup.gif and how about you? currently driving at or mt neo?


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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 13 2014, 05:19 PM)
i do agree that the motul h tech 100 plus is nothing to shout about. (not much difference in smoothness/performance whatsoever)
however i do disagree that it degrades after 4k km as i've done OCI of 12-16k km with motul h tech 100 plus without any form of degradation whereas SR1 would lose it's "performance characteristics" around 12k-14k km (iinm, have to dig back on my old review/feedback)
no engine roughness at all, and the internals are pretty much sparkling clean/mirror shine as before. laugh.gif

fully syn going such short oci is a thing of the past bro.
i've done really crazy red lines/fuel cuts (feel free to dig my youtube videos) and yet my UOA report turns out that my amsoil 0w20 i drained out is even fresher than BRAND NEW engine oil after around 7 months and 8500km (higher calcium/TBN than other manufacturers virgin oil)

and yes, i am an advocate of thinner lubricants regardless of usage.
even most manufacturers (like honda, ford) are pushing the SAE to officialize 0w16
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Sorry for double posting, didn't saw it earlier. Well to be frank, i've used my myvi as a lab rat before for long OCI (8k km mileage around 6 months) on fully syn oils and the outcome wasn't that great.

There's actually alot of factor to be taken into consideration such as start stop traffics, traffic jams, long idling, redlining and so on which is why for me particularly i rather be on the safe side for now. But i believe that everyone has their own way of maintaining their vehicle where there is no right or wrong icon_rolleyes.gif

As for me, oil is much cheaper as compared to spare parts/overhauling lol


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post Oct 13 2014, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(peejayboy @ Oct 13 2014, 06:47 PM)
Sorry for double posting, didn't saw it earlier. Well to be frank, i've used my myvi as a lab rat before for long OCI (8k km mileage around 6 months) on fully syn oils and the outcome wasn't that great.

There's actually alot of factor to be taken into consideration such as start stop traffics, traffic jams, long idling, redlining and so on which is why for me particularly i rather be on the safe side for now. But i believe that everyone has their own way of maintaining their vehicle where there is no right or wrong  icon_rolleyes.gif

As for me, oil is much cheaper as compared to spare parts/overhauling lol
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Agree with your post thumbup.gif
The only difference is that I found decent success with long /extended oci.

Feel free to look back on my older posts or even images of my iswara /Sentra engine internals that runs on long oci
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post Oct 13 2014, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(peejayboy @ Oct 13 2014, 06:40 PM)
no probs!  smile.gif  i'm still using stock extractor tho, only change the r3 muffler and previously was driving myvi 1.5 auto as it was family car. I would say myvi has better response due to the "drive by cable" setup as compared to drive by wire. But handling and top speed, myvi no match hahah.

Now currently on syntium 5000 0w30 by proton sc so far so thumbup.gif and how about you? currently driving at or mt neo?
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manual FTW!

thinking of changing my extractor but still dont know who to go to =\ another thread to go to

im using liqui moly semi syn 10w40s, but this friday going for torco SR-1 fully syn cos ah jib kor raised my petrol price...thinking of switching to RON97 as well.
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QUOTE(y4ng @ Oct 13 2014, 09:14 PM)
manual FTW!

thinking of changing my extractor but still dont know who to go to =\ another thread to go to

im using liqui moly semi syn 10w40s, but this friday going for torco SR-1 fully syn cos ah jib kor raised my petrol price...thinking of switching to RON97 as well.
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yeepie, another manual kaki biggrin.gif try SR-1 5w30 since your engine is overhauled already.

Extractor can go for R3/Tonnka! save up for it

Ron 97 and Ron 95 just difference of around rm15 oni now lol

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hi guys, i'm newbie here, does somebody have any comment about royal purple engine oil???
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QUOTE(stevenkhong @ Oct 14 2014, 06:16 PM)
hi guys, i'm newbie here, does somebody have any comment about royal purple engine oil???
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Good oils their XPR line, I recommend them for any cast iron block engine as they've performed best on my RB25DET. Pricey but I've done 20000+ km between an oil change using RP without the car missing a beat or the turbocharger giving me any issues.

I've never used their HPS line, but I figure it wouldn't be too far off from the XPR.
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Torco SR-1 vs SR-1R, any diff?
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post Oct 15 2014, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(y4ng @ Oct 15 2014, 04:37 PM)
Torco SR-1 vs SR-1R, any diff?
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1 is API SN certified, while the other isn't and geared more towards performance/racing oil. consider it the "budget" (still not cheap lol) racing oil as opposed to their high end SR5 etc.
supposedly, the R would have better friction modifiers although may sacrifice on other additives such as detergents and the EO may deteriorate faster than the non R

may visit their website for data specs etc.

from a quick usage (used it only once for some track events) on the SR1R on my iswara back then, it seems to deteriorate around the 10k-12k km mark instead of the 12-14k+ km mark compared to the SR1
iinm i did a 10 or 12k km OCI for that SR1R
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post Oct 15 2014, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 15 2014, 04:48 PM)
1 is API SN certified, while the other isn't and geared more towards performance/racing oil. consider it the "budget" (still not cheap lol) racing oil as opposed to their high end SR5 etc.
supposedly, the R would have better friction modifiers although may sacrifice on other additives such as detergents and the EO may deteriorate faster than the non R

may visit their website for data specs etc.

from a quick usage (used it only once for some track events) on the SR1R on my iswara back then, it seems to deteriorate around the 10k-12k km mark instead of the 12-14k+ km mark compared to the SR1
iinm i did a 10 or 12k km OCI for that SR1R
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hmmm thank you!!! really really fast reply huh? cos the person that wanted to sell SR-1 to me, 1st say RM57/l, promise this week can get, now say RM60/l, else next week only stock comes in...makes a bit angry

so there's another reseller, but only carries SR-1R, think i dont like it cos of the price

I might as well go for ChemLube, RM53/quart

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post Oct 15 2014, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(y4ng @ Oct 15 2014, 04:57 PM)
hmmm thank you!!! really really fast reply huh? cos the person that wanted to sell SR-1 to me, 1st say RM57/l, promise this week can get, now say RM60/l, else next week only stock comes in...makes a bit angry

so there's another reseller, but only carries SR-1R, think i dont like it cos of the price

I might as well go for ChemLube, RM53/quart

sien sien sien rclxub.gif
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local distro here also weird, sometimes SR1 and SR1R same price, sometimes R more expensive.
from US R is more expensive lol
http://www.torcousa.com/torco_product/sr-1.html 2usd more expensive

OH and i just remembered why i don't bother with the R's, thinnest viscosity is xw30, i want 0w20 tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 15 2014, 04:59 PM)
local distro here also weird, sometimes SR1 and SR1R same price, sometimes R more expensive.
from US R is more expensive lol
http://www.torcousa.com/torco_product/sr-1.html 2usd more expensive

OH and i just remembered why i don't bother with the R's, thinnest viscosity is xw30, i want 0w20 tongue.gif
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sien, maybe i should just go for chemlube since cheaper =|
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 15 2014, 04:59 PM)
local distro here also weird, sometimes SR1 and SR1R same price, sometimes R more expensive.
from US R is more expensive lol
http://www.torcousa.com/torco_product/sr-1.html 2usd more expensive

OH and i just remembered why i don't bother with the R's, thinnest viscosity is xw30, i want 0w20 tongue.gif
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sien, maybe i should just go for chemlube since cheaper =|
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Oct 15 2014, 03:41 PM)
Good oils their XPR line, I recommend them for any cast iron block engine as they've performed best on my RB25DET. Pricey but I've done 20000+ km between an oil change using RP without the car missing a beat or the turbocharger giving me any issues.

I've never used their HPS line, but I figure it wouldn't be too far off from the XPR.
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Hi, newbie question, just want to start using non-OEM engine oil.

what's the difference Royal Purple SAE and Royal Purple HPS?
I was quoted RM55 per quart for SAE(5w40) and RM45 per quart for HPS(10w40)

Is SAE better than HPS? looking at the pricing. Thanks!!
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 15 2014, 04:48 PM)
1 is API SN certified, while the other isn't and geared more towards performance/racing oil. consider it the "budget" (still not cheap lol) racing oil as opposed to their high end SR5 etc.
supposedly, the R would have better friction modifiers although may sacrifice on other additives such as detergents and the EO may deteriorate faster than the non R

may visit their website for data specs etc.

from a quick usage (used it only once for some track events) on the SR1R on my iswara back then, it seems to deteriorate around the 10k-12k km mark instead of the 12-14k+ km mark compared to the SR1
iinm i did a 10 or 12k km OCI for that SR1R
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Now I was about to ask if anyone dare to do 15k km oci with sr1r but you already give a lead. I'll be using this next month for my Myvi ezi 1.3. Rm280 for an oil vs rm90 for semi sm.
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QUOTE(PedangGila @ Oct 19 2014, 12:00 AM)
Now I was about to ask if anyone dare to do 15k km oci with sr1r but you already give a lead. I'll be using this next month for my Myvi ezi 1.3. Rm280 for an oil  vs rm90 for semi sm.
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personally i'd go with the non R for extended OCI and even the non R's it starts to deteriorate around 12 or 14k km.
the TBN is just not strong enough and Torco has never mentioned/marketed extended OCI whatsoever.

another advise is that it's advisable to change your oil filter half way of your extended oci, say 7.5k km if you're trying out 15k km smile.gif

rm280 is a bit overpriced though, see if you can find cheaper alternatives. (iinm they go for ~65/liter, and afaik myvi only needs 3.x liters)
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 19 2014, 12:31 AM)
personally i'd go with the non R for extended OCI and even the non R's it starts to deteriorate around 12 or 14k km.
the TBN is just not strong enough and Torco has never mentioned/marketed extended OCI whatsoever.

another advise is that it's advisable to change your oil filter half way of your extended oci, say 7.5k km if you're trying out 15k km smile.gif

rm280 is a bit overpriced though, see if you can find cheaper alternatives. (iinm they go for ~65/liter, and afaik myvi only needs 3.x liters)
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It's quoted rm68 per bottle but yea since it needs another half lit I had to buy 4 bottles. Rounded it's about 280. I'm here in kelantan so I figure the cost will be the same if not more if I order from outside state. Just testing this oil for once only I think. Yea hopefully the shop have the non R version 10w30. Thanks for the advice.
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QUOTE(PedangGila @ Oct 19 2014, 01:03 AM)
It's quoted rm68 per bottle but yea since it needs another half lit I had to buy 4 bottles. Rounded it's about 280. I'm here in kelantan so I figure the cost will be the same if not more if I order from outside state. Just testing this oil for once only I think. Yea hopefully the shop have the non R version 10w30. Thanks for the advice.
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ah Kelantan.
yeah the postage for heavier liquids would be a bummer, but do check out LYN automotive garage and see if you can get a good deal.

do give a try on the non R and most importantly it has 0w20 which i think can be suitable for myvi as AFAIK manufacturer specifies xw30 smile.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 19 2014, 01:07 AM)
ah Kelantan.
yeah the postage for heavier liquids would be a bummer, but do check out LYN automotive garage and see if you can get a good deal.

do give a try on the non R and most importantly it has 0w20 which i think can be suitable for myvi as AFAIK manufacturer specifies xw30 smile.gif
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I'm used to revving to max rpm, didn't bother to use OD and will maintain long range 140kmh if condition allowed. Maybe w20 oil can keep up but already change from sr1r to sr1 so cannot demand anymore from the shop.

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