English Clubs Chelsea FC V28, BPL - Chelsea 4 - 2 Swansea City
English Clubs Chelsea FC V28, BPL - Chelsea 4 - 2 Swansea City
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Aug 20 2014, 07:42 PM
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if it's possible, please get a real world class winger/am before the transfer window close. I'm gonna get a heart attack watching Oscar play
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Aug 20 2014, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE(kucingmainan @ Aug 20 2014, 08:07 PM) i think oscar did ok. just overshadow by fabregas a bit. love how they cover for each other. or more like swapping position between CM and AM. both of them all over the field in last match. same goes to hazard. he is all over the place. Yep I've heard some saying that. Oscar has done his job covering attacking and defensive line and swap position with Fabi to enhance whole team's mobility, ok I get that. But "hardworking" is never a term to justify world class winger/am. Work rate is one of most basic abilities needed in Mourinho's squad, and Ramires, Willian, Mikel all have that. Since Mourinho only played a 45 minutes attacking football, I will just analyse Oscar's performance during 1st half. 1) He dropped the ball too easily. Whenever he's dribbling, holding, trying to make spaces, he always caught by Burnley players (yes it's only Burnley) and it's always endanger the team when someone lost his ball. 2) As you can see, Oscar had run all along the pitch and he was hardworking. But did you see him making clearance or standing in the right spot when Burnley players were attacking? No, it's always Matic and 4 defenders who do the job. 3) Ok defensive work is not main priority for an am/winger. He should be contributing deadly passes (Fabi's specialty), has great vision on how the team organizing attacking, defensive works on the pitch (Matic, Fabi's specialty), or dribbling, running, and trying to tear out opponent's defence whenever the chances come (Hazard's expertise), this is what attacking players should do. Instead, whenever I saw someone passed the ball to Oscar, he is running backwards and going back to defensive line (what the...?!), he was destroying every attacking chances given to him when the forwards were running and expecting him to do counter attacks or passes a through ball, in another word, he is slowing the team and not the opposite. In fact, he was almost non-existent when Burnley scored their first goal, and Chelsea made a comeback with 1,2,3 goals thanks to Costa, Fabi, and Schurrle. How was this helping the team? I don't know. When someone is in that position, we should expect him to be contributing to goals and not only give credit for time wasting or mere coordination when team has secured a victory. Oscar has been given a lot of chances. Last season, Mou gave him chances and alienate Mata. Mata was transferred out and he went invisible. In the end, Chelsea got nothing. During World Cup, he was absolute first team and playmaker in Brazil. Brazil won all its matches by small margin only because of Neymar and pure luck. When Neymar was out, you saw what happen to Brazil. And now, we're talking about the first match. When it comes to "overshadow" , I think it applies to Hazard (failed to gain an assist or goal coz of Fabi's brilliance and Mou's tactic), but certainly it does not apply to Oscar. Oscar may be good (depend on certain standards) but he is not World Class. Chelsea is World Class, Mou is World Class, the defending line is ...hence we only lack 1 more am/winger. Anyway, this is just my sincere opinion and I have no intention to offend anyone. Feel free to have discussion with me (whether you agree or not) but let's avoid flaming with each other. ps: Considering the threads above, looks like everyone think Oscar did ok and it seems I'm the Black Sheep here. Well I certainly hopes that Chelsea continue achieving good result, and ultimately win the League Title (with all the efforts, Mourinho really should) and therefore I wish for the best of Oscar and hope he can assist, score goals and play beautiful football to prove me wrong in the near future. |
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Aug 20 2014, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE(briantwj @ Aug 20 2014, 10:03 PM) ^ ok then, I'll msg Roman to sell Oscar to PSG. inb4 #Oscarout It's all about balance. Yes, Oscar natural position is playmaker. But Mou see his other speciality too, his workrate. Last season, our pivot were not creative enuff. Hence Oscar have to burden the playmaking along with Hazard and Wiliian. But now, we have Fab in pivot who can be a deep lying playmaker. Oscar vs Fab. Who is proven in the PL? Of coz FAb. He had so many season in PL dy, Oscar just had 3 season in the PL. So naturally, Mou will want the more experience player (Fab) to do the playmaking. While Oscar's role for now is similar to Ramires. Tbh, for now I see our playmaking going thru Fab, Hazard. Not Oscar and Schurrle. Oscar's job shud be sumthing like Ramires' job last season. Schurrle's job will be like runner + odd goal. Btw, let's not be too harsh on Oscar. These brazillians, germans have had a long summer playing the WC. They joined up with the squad quite late in the pre season. Match fitness and form could also be a thing. Let's judge Oscar after 1/3 of the season. Tldr version. I foresee Oscar playing in a different type of role now that Mou is using Fab as a deep lying playmaker. Imho, Oscar is our best midfielder in pressing the opposition and winning the ball from their DM and defender. Ram does it quite well too, but he always end up with a foul. Oscar's tackle and pressing in the opposition half is second to none in the Chelsea squad. In our own half, we expect Matic to be a pressing midfielder. But higher up the pitch, it is the presence of Oscar and Costa that is pressing the opposition and winning the ball high up the pitch. Just like what Mou emphasized last season. His philosophy for us, is to win the ball up high in the opposition half, and launch our attack. It is Oscar's work rate and pressing that always wins him a place in Mou's starting 11. imho la. QUOTE(kucingmainan @ Aug 20 2014, 10:07 PM) that is why i think he did ok for the last game. not great. decent game for his standard. not exceptional. if he is playing a different type of role, something similar to Ramires, that I accept as a reason that he performed below my expectation. However, it still doesn't seem right.. i dont think mikel or ramires suit our passing game (we pass a lot in last match). both mikel and ramires have limited range in their passing, not to mention poor first touch. agree on oscar performance after mata departure. i am one of the guy from 'mata team' and keep on dwelling on 'if only we have mata, we could have win the game' last season. not once, not twice, but almost everytime when the team fail to perform. hazard done pretty well imo. successfully dribble past numbers of defender, click well with our attacking dept, tracking back & cover for dave. same old hazrd. for world cup performance, everyone from our contingent play poorly bar schurrle. current squad good enough for me. got top class cover for each position. our 'second' team can challenge for top4 spot imo. may i know which am/winger would u suggest to compliment our world class squad? p/s: i think our defence quite shaky in the last game. cahill and terry both have their share of sloppy moment. Ok, there is no such thing as "perfect" player that can defend and attack brilliantly both at the same time. However, in the aspect of defensive work, I believe that it depends on the player's strength and stamina. Is Oscar's defending abilities on par with Yaya Toure? Can he really win the ball when he is chasing it with world class ball holding midfielders? I have a doubt on it. Yes, he is very determined and he is the "Mourinho's boy" (always stick to his plan) Before he left, Mata was determined too and tried to chased the balls as hard as he can, but no chance was given to him In response to #kucingmainan question, maybe I'm being too subjective and it's still very early of the season, but I think we can have the perfect squad if we can get Sanchez (okok I know it's IM-POS-SI-BLE! I've looked at his first game and I'm so impressed of his performance. People says that Spanish League is no way on par with EPL, and the footballers playing there will most likely being crushed by EPL's aggressive and rough playing style. However, I see that he fits absolutely well, and this is only his first EPL game! He runs all over the pitch, from left>middle>right, then next minute right>middle>left, omg he is everywhere! He can take corners, free kicks, everything you need as a set piece taker. When he was robbed of the ball, he can be so aggressive that he chase and strike on his opponent everytime. The referee had no chance but to fouled him but even so, he shouted and claimed that the referee was wrong. In fact, I think Sanchez was the real reason why Arsenal grab the narrow win (though motm is Ramsey) This is the determination thing I haven't seen in a long time, what Chelsea and Man Utd were well known for, what was need to become a real champion. Sanchez has give Arsene the spirit they lack in years. Well I shouldn't praise our rival's player so much, but yeah, this is what I think of a qualified am/winger for Chelsea |
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Aug 21 2014, 01:36 AM
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^Sure M8, you have made your point and I have made mine. As you have said, it's only the 1st match of the whole season and I may have speculate too early. Let's see what happens in the near future.
I will repeat my earlier post *I certainly hopes that Chelsea continue achieving good result, and ultimately win the League Title (with all the efforts, Mourinho really should) and therefore I wish for the best of Oscar and hope he can assist, score goals and play beautiful football to prove me wrong in the near future.* ps: With all the supports given, Mourinho has no other option but to win the league this season. If what you guys said were right, i.e. he did a great job employing Oscar in a better role he could have played, Chelsea will gonna win eventually, and that is exactly what I wanted. However, if things do not proceed as what's expected, I'm here presenting an idea why is it so and hopefully drastic changes will be made. To one the above comments, it's not unfair to criticize a player if one has his point. This world requires people to think critically and innovatively to develop. At least, people in developed countries does Anyway, this Oscar issue has gone too far and I'm gonna stop here. Time will proves whether I'm right or wrong. But one thing's for sure, we all hope that Chelsea win the EPL. Thanks all~ KTBFFH! This post has been edited by juststayreal: Aug 21 2014, 01:48 AM |
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Aug 31 2014, 01:02 AM
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missed out the first 30 minutes of the match... can anybody tell me how's willian doing as a central mid?
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Aug 31 2014, 01:05 AM
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QUOTE(briantwj @ Aug 31 2014, 01:03 AM) Willian was his usual self, a lot of gud running. Seems like he playing around left wing and right wing, interchanging position. good to hear, does he lost his ball often? and how about his passing?yea. He even came back to own box and defend corner. Classic Drogba. |
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Aug 31 2014, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE(briantwj @ Aug 31 2014, 01:12 AM) better than last season imo, last season he had a lot of misplaced passing i rmb. indeed he was Btw, if Lukaku does score, do u guys think he will celebrate? or no celebration? lel watched 10 minutes of his performance, solid I might say. I think the "brazilian civil war" between him and Oscar has motivated him, rotation between both is a very clever move, kinda feels that Mou will get it this season |
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Aug 31 2014, 01:23 AM
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mirallas goal... AMAZING !!!
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Aug 31 2014, 01:32 AM
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QUOTE(briantwj @ Aug 31 2014, 01:28 AM) yea. superb goal. But no1 was tracking him tbh. Ramires just see Mirallas run pass him, Matic just see Mirallas run pass him. Mirallas just run to the front of Cahill and headed the ball first before Cahill could head it. the flow of attack contributed to the goal was perfect. nth can to be done really imo But take ntg away from the goal. Superb running into space by Mirallas. |
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Aug 31 2014, 01:57 AM
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waddafak?!!!!!!!! O_______O......
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Aug 31 2014, 02:01 AM
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waste time tactic liao.... come on!!!
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Aug 31 2014, 02:02 AM
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ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Aug 31 2014, 02:03 AM
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possibly 1 of the top 5 games thru out the whole season ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Aug 31 2014, 02:04 AM
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etoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Aug 31 2014, 02:05 AM
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ramiresssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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Aug 31 2014, 02:05 AM
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sorry its the best game thru out the seasonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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Aug 31 2014, 02:06 AM
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wooooooooooooooooooo
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Aug 31 2014, 02:08 AM
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oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Aug 31 2014, 02:10 AM
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mou atm : that's it! this is the last time I'm going to play a crazy scoring game!!!
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Aug 31 2014, 02:15 AM
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2 assists 1 goal... ramires should start next match!!
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