I've been wanting to upgrade my sound system lately. My HU is Blaupunkt and currently running on OEM rear and front speakers.

I went to a car acc jz now and they recommended me JL complete set of components for RM380 + installation. Anyone heard of JL?

Then JL sub for RM380+ using one monoblock (Rm600) to power it. Gosh!~ $$ Anyone heard of the brand JL? How is it? Do you think a moderate RM400++ monoblock is enough to power it?

jl for 3++ is mostly xxxx....wahhaa..i never saw a real JL with tat price b4...so just be caution....

if dun mind can u state ur req? maybe i can help u...:>

Huh? What do you mean by xxx?

I Dunno, saw it in a JL box complete with tweeters, croosovers etc... It's not at shop but at house one. So might be cheaper. I dunno. It's XR version I guess.

Req? I dunno much, I simply need add bass to my current system with budget less than RM1k

howie means it is a fake JL..

JL is veli well known for it's woofer.. and famous in the states..

JL price tag should not b lower than rm500 unless it is imitation o used product... so bcareful dude..

here is the website from JL JL website

how do i ensure that it's real or fake? but I tested the quality, good wor!~ maybe, water set?

JL good in subwoofer & amplifier!
I like JL subwoofer... but don't believe it cost RM380...

JL sure is g00d.. but i don blif tat cheap stuff gifs good quality..

in cantonese "yat fan chin. yat fan fo"..
ha! ha!

This post has been edited by mattchin: Aug 22 2006, 10:49 PM

the subwoofer alone cost rm300... then plus the box everything 400+

i dunno, but it's at home, i think that makes it cheaper. anyhow it's a fake thing? hw to ensure?

how come JL onli cost rm300?? must be kidding man...
JL audio mostly cost rm8***-rm1*** depends of model...

how to ensure?

hmmm... haf u try checking out JL audio website? i think they haf the info on how 2 check counterfeit products.. not sure..

btw.. haven't u try the woofer out?

No point keep telling him trying the woofer out, if he had never heard an original unit playing, he probably wouldn't notice the one playing is fake anyway. For subs especially, even if there's a pair, one is a fake, one is an original, being A/B tested, i guess some people wouldn't even notice the difference. And again, with this kind of instances of selling fakies, some people might be having originals on the demo board but his speakers are fakies.

This post has been edited by GRexer: Aug 23 2006, 12:14 PM

agreed loh
and since its a house all the higher chances of selling fakes
last time i also kena burn cause cannot tell the difference
listen to some ori sets and at least you should have a point of reference

if u are getting it from someone live at cheras opposite the big esso station area,, then i will tell u it's confirm fake...he's famous in these things.....

btw, the cheapest jl sub in market i saw is RM800 and above...RM300 for new? hehe..u know i know

hehe.. i'm from kch anyway east m'sia.

ahh... too bad!~ Even if I buy a fake goods, does the performance differ? easy spoilt ka?

The performance WOULD definitely be different, you can't exactly copy an item EXACTLY as in 100%, can you? And the price really very much reflects it's quality of parts used.

yeapz... i support ur statement..

gosh!~ But useable rite? won't spoilt easily? ahh!~

looks like u very like it, then just go for it....dun regret after do tat decision....it's ur money, the most important part is after doing a decision, never regret about it..

if it uses good component then why it is so cheap ?

yeap.. correct

JL audio to me is a highend stuff.

Check it out at http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_pages.php?page_id=134

The price usualy come along way up high. If not I should be using it.

I overcome a JL woofer w7 series that cost RM2k above.

Please beware.

Although usable but what's the point if the quality doesn't meet requirement?

arghh... I will just go for Pioneer then at some car acc shop. Safer and cheaper

guys, anyone could help me out?

I budget Rm1k for a sub + amp + installation. Any recommendation? So far I found a lot of my friends are using Pioneer sub , how's it?

I don't have any friend using Pioneer subwoofer!
Got friend use MTX, JL, JBL, Ligthning Audio, Helix, Hertz sub woofer..but none use pioneer...

i use before the carbon fibre series
but the sub alone cost more than ur budget wo

huh? Friend, i'm living at kch here la... haha... we are not so advance... huh? my friend installed only Rm1k everything, well of course just moderate amp to power the Pioneer sub...

Hmm.. Prokick, Kickers, Pegasus(forget spelling) should within the budget.

I remember I get Prokick Sub-Woofer 12" at range of RM600-700.

Then the rest of amount just go for a 2ch amp for the Sub-woofer.

how to determine the sub is genuine? or real?

do they come with warranty card or wad?

i don think any1 would like to imitate pioneer's woofer.. he! he!

warranty card? i think got guah..

why they come cheap then? hehe... how's the quality? so far I think it's the cheapest and reliable anyway, how bout other subs? they come with warranty card too?

Well, so far I never come up with none warranty card ICE, unless is used item. All have warranty card.

since got ppl said got warranty card, then u should trust on him

Fact is, even got warranty card also doesn't necessarily is authentic, i remember, if not mistaken those fake DLS UR36S comes with warranty card

Bro i am from kch as well but now residing in KL

Well regarding fake JL it is easy to tell them apart if you have listen to the real ones before. Basically fake ones my experience is normally the JL 12 w3 v1 and 12 w3 v2.
Characteristic is that its power handling not as high as the real one and its loses abit of the trademark tight and solid bass JL is famous for. It tends to sound abit lose and boomy abit.

But just a note the testing we did was we even send it to the local distributer to tell them apart. Exterior wise is almost 100 % identical. except the rubber at the side of the woofer will fade after a while. The only way to see the difference sad to say is in the VOICE coil meaning you need to take it out to see its fake . the fake ones the coil is smaller and less wire coils.

Hope that helps.

BTW my friend in kch also drives a EK9 with carbon hood. you might have seen him. he got quite a decent sound system. maybe he could help you out

warranty card is the key? no way, there's fake ads and dls selling in malaysian forum....look almost the same and all stuff in the box are same....

wow.. u muz b super tai kor.. listen onli u know.. wat if 1 is using powerful amp and the other 1 is using low powered amp? i mean both using the same fake JL..

then I guess the JL componnent that my friend introduced is fake. My freind's JL name on the midbass already fade!

anyway, even without warranty cards... it's trustable right? Arghh... I'm so scared now... judging that i'm not a rich kid haha... Rm1k would gone if I choose the wrong stuff!

Your friend is driving EK9 or EG9? So far I've not encountered any EK9 with carbon hood in kch ler1~

name ur budget out and c if any1 here can help u out..

as I said, RM1k (amp + sub + installation)

i guess u can settle with normal brands
e.g. Mohawk, Stellar, Proc0ck, Shuttle Lab etc

wah.. ur budget so tight arhh.. then go for budget brands lorhh.. like driftmeister had mentioned..

this guy here in zth selling woofer in package.. good deal for beginner HERE! but then dono he got serve kuching o not

my recommendation is kicker comp 2005 model and normal brand amp + installation (<1k)...if u need more info where to get it, let me know

how good is pioneer compare to the rest? I consulted my friend this afternoon. He told me he had his pionner installed at only Rm400 plux the box. If so, I would then get a RM600 monoblock. How about if two channel amp? what's the difference?

bro..

u r comparing wat and wat larhh.. i got confused wif ur Q...

well, I was asking if pioneer reasonable with the price for a ICE newbie like me? Or should I get another brand around the price? And if I got myself a pionner woofer, shd I get 2 channel or monoblock amp?

if u 1 precision bass as in responsive get a 2 channel class a/b (which almost all of 'em r) and if u wanna powerful bass then go for a monoblock..

my fren's pioneer which costed him less than rm400 satisfied beginner stage.. and it sounds not bad either.. fetch it if u r interested..

thanks, I'm getting it either this weekend or next week. Will keep up with the performance here later. I wonde if I would have the time to install it... *sob* sitting mock exam

good luck for ur exam..

do enjoy upgrading ICE.. welcome to the addiction of ICE world.. plz stay tuned and upgrade..

Finally I got my ICE installed.

I installed Lanzar 12" Subwoofer instead of Pionner which is cheaper.
I'm using Oxygen 4ch to power it, and also a pre-amp and a 5" LA Componnent for front. All cost me RM1.15k.
Any comment? So far I'm satisfied with them since I'm a newbie.

Planned to install Sony 12" Subwoofer but the package alone without componnent cost me Rm1.1k!

I'm waiting to buy 6" good componnent to install front and the current LA put rear. Surprisingly, there are two sets behind, one 5" and one 6". I never know. So nw I had my 6" pionner midbass (from front) installed behind and using back the 5" OEM speaker.

not bad lanzar and oxygen...

yup get a 6" component soon and put ur 5" behind then get a 2 channel amp/monoblock to boost your woofer and use ur 4 channel to boost your speaker...

Lanzar woofer ar, not enough soft for me....!

Feel you play SPL more..!

prefer pioneer's sub-bass more

tuning punye problem tu.. o ur amp underpower? u need 2 to tame the woofer he! he!

juz j/k.. is shiva's woofer still around penang?

Sometime those woofer no matter how you tune, Bass hard to become soft lo!

ha! ha!.. maybe the woofer's rubber cone makes the soft o hard sound of urs..

hehe, being a newbie to the ICE world, Lanzar so far satisfied me a lot. But I don't really like those freak people who higher up the woofer volume la till cant really hear the song!

Anyway, I got a preamp and I supposed with all those buttons on it, I could only adjust the subwoofer volume, any explanation? I guess they only connect the preamp to woofer and not to the componnent. Could I do any connection to the speakers DIY?

This post has been edited by kvys2000: Sep 19 2006, 06:11 PM

pre-amp actually doesn't serve the "right" device to tune the sound
especially normal/cap ayam brand preamp

what does preamp does then? could I use it to tune my components?

anyway, how could I tune my sub myself through the amp?

there is a remote that u can buy from.. but i'm not sure that if ur amp supports it..

normally wif alpine players.. u can on it louder or softer from the player itself.. (not sure for other players.. )

wat is preamp? check it urself at wikipedia..

comps ? nope
makes no difference

as for sub.. can add an external sub controller

my Blaupunkt player has this setting "X-bass" not sure what it is. Anyone?

Do u feel any change when you ON it?

i think it's like a bass booster.. alpine call it MX(media xpander) but it enhances the sound.. claimed that it gifs better SQ to mp3s which i think it isn't.. it mixed up all my sounds

This post has been edited by mattchin: Sep 21 2006, 12:55 AM

Each Hu got their own bass function.. but I don't like that... may cause sound mix up, can't hear vocal, music & bass separately...
I prefer tune bass by amp...HU zero setting...then woofer board tune...lol

nah
X-Bass on balupunkt is just a bass booster
Alpine's Media Xpander is a much more useful tool with EQ, X-O, and TA

i knew there is more about the media xpander thingy but didn't bother to use 'em..

ha! ha!..

It goes to "Low" "Mid" and "High" settings, I just set MID. Can't feel any difference though.

Anyway, how do you guys tune woofer using amp?

amp gain, sub freq

tried on my amp. Adjusted the frequency to higher and it gives me solid bass rather than very bassy hehe

normal will need to set it under 100Hz
depends on the sub itself

l,m from Kuching too and l,m using single Pioneer 12 inch sub pair with Blaupunkt 2 channels class D amp. So far l,m ok with it. As l know, Pioneer Sub can only be classified as mid-end. hehe.

my own prefererence is @ 80hz +-

class D 2 channel? hmm.. rare item

It's not rare eh. Blaupunkt Velocity series 2channel Class D.

I haven't see people use Blaupunkt Velocity before...

yeah...it's not popular among ICE kaki. haaa

80? wah... quite bassy eh, as I'm listening to Jay's songs nowadays... with high volume, if i set lower frequency, can't really listen to the songs.. hehe... it's like the woofer itself is louder than the componnents

@daniel31

what car you drive? componnents? a lot of my friends got pionner sub also hehe... it's quite popular here in kch But now they say mine is better hehe... listening to Techno songs

Anyway, my componnents are now connected directly from my HU. My friends have been asking me to connect to my my amp, how good quality it produce actually? Like?

Why you use 4 channel don't use 2 channel of it to push your component?

it would b better than wat u r using now.. for sure..

THD in HU is much higher than the amp.. it will result that hearing the "pssss" sound..

can't DIY ho? I don't really listen to the "psss" sound though, it all depends on my CDs... mostly the songs are downloaded. Would the amp help to get rid of the sound?

if u c the amp rationg/specs, there is a thing called THD-total harmonic distortion.. normally they r rated below 0.001%.. i'm reffering to those branded stuffs larhh.. not those few hundred bucks stuffs..

the "pss" sound is simplified to b easy understand yet behind there r still lots of noise to be heard if the THD is high..

all i can say is that the amp performs better than the 1 from HU and louder (as in powerful) than the HU..