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TSkongming
post Jul 28 2014, 06:36 PM, updated 12y ago

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I am able to do Science Stream in A Level but after that I may switch to Law degree. According to the informations I get from Internet. There is no fixed subjects in doing Law degree in A Level. A student who takes Law degree must be suffered in studying futher maths and chemistry. Then doing Law degree may have advantages. So, my question is doing science stream or art stream before doing Law degree? Is it advicable to do that? I think some people may think I am stupid since you can be relaxing in doing A Level and why do I want to do this suffering.

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post Jul 28 2014, 07:11 PM

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what are you saying? Further Maths has nothing to do with Law. Same applies to Chem. there is no "must". You are living with your decision but it does not imply others need to follow.

short answer - science stream, you need to justify your ability and interest in Law

arts stream, you need to compete with people doing the same type of subjects so you won't stand out... or worse, people with more impressive subjects (Maths Lit History Psych Econ other combos not available in Malaysia)
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post Jul 28 2014, 07:12 PM

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Why are you doing further maths if you're already sure want to switch to Law? It's a terrifying paper unless you really really really (really!) like maths and have an aptitude for it.
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post Jul 28 2014, 07:22 PM

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Just need 2 principles to do law.
I do not scare suffer. I like challenge. Someone says doing in further maths will train the students in critical thinking.
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post Jul 28 2014, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Jul 28 2014, 07:11 PM)
what are you saying? Further Maths has nothing to do with Law. Same applies to Chem. there is no "must". You are living with your decision but it does not imply others need to follow.

short answer - science stream, you need to justify your ability and interest in Law

arts stream, you need to compete with people doing the same type of subjects so you won't stand out... or worse, people with more impressive subjects (Maths Lit History Psych Econ other combos not available in Malaysia)
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You try to search the old threads. That is not my thinking. Some people have mentioned on it.
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QUOTE(kongming @ Jul 28 2014, 07:22 PM)
Just need 2 principles to do law.
I do not scare suffer. I like challenge. Someone says doing in further maths will train the students in critical thinking.
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Well of course there are science stream students who are doing Law degrees smile.gif The guy that came to my college to share experience on Oxford Law admissions did science stream. But there are many other traditional A-level subjects you can take instead of further maths. It sounds noble of course, doing it for critical thinking, but FM just sound a bit outlandish for me because most of my friends who took FM want to do engineering or mathematics or econs, or just like maths a lot and are reallyyyy good at it. And some of them actually like doing math during their free time.

Are you only taking 2 A-level subjects, Chem and FM? =/
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post Jul 28 2014, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(maxphray @ Jul 28 2014, 07:34 PM)
Well of course there are science stream students who are doing Law degrees smile.gif The guy that came to my college to share experience on Oxford Law admissions did science stream. But there are many other traditional A-level subjects you can take instead of further maths. It sounds noble of course, doing it for critical thinking, but FM just sound a bit outlandish for me because most of my friends who took FM want to do engineering or mathematics or econs, or just like maths a lot and are reallyyyy good at it. And some of them actually like doing math during their free time.

Are you only taking 2 A-level subjects, Chem and FM? =/
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No I will take combination with science subjects. Many thanks for your advices.
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post Jul 28 2014, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(kongming @ Jul 28 2014, 07:26 PM)
You try to search the old threads. That is not my thinking. Some people have mentioned on it.
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i dont really care what others think if it doesn't align with my beliefs or contradicts common sense

Maths, sure. But why do Further Maths for Law... zero sense. People should only do FM if they like Maths (to the extent that they would want to do a Maths degree up to Master's level, but instead do Law because the only thing they enjoy more than Maths or see a future in is practicing Law).

A lot of people who did Science, Engineering, Computer Science, Actuarial Studies didn't do Further Maths.
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post Jul 28 2014, 08:46 PM

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FM score A rate many far more than law subject.
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There's actually no need to take Further Maths. Even students who opt for engineering don't need to have further maths in their A Levels (Maths itself is already very challenging). However you can go for science stream in A Levels in case you change your mind and don't want to take up law in the future. (A Levels is an eye opener on how in depth a certain subject can be... so yeah)
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QUOTE(ABC Destiny @ Jul 28 2014, 09:51 PM)
There's actually no need to take Further Maths. Even students who opt for engineering don't need to have further maths in their A Levels (Maths itself is already very challenging). However you can go for science stream in A Levels in case you change your mind and don't want to take up law in the future. (A Levels is an eye opener on how in depth a certain subject can be... so yeah)
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That is the point. Uncertaintiness makes me have such thought. If my interest is not science related subjects so I could take law. You already said the critical point of mine. Thanks.
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post Jul 28 2014, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Jul 28 2014, 08:08 PM)
i dont really care what others think if it doesn't align with my beliefs or contradicts common sense

Maths, sure. But why do Further Maths for Law... zero sense. People should only do FM if they like Maths (to the extent that they would want to do a Maths degree up to Master's level, but instead do Law because the only thing they enjoy more than Maths or see a future in is practicing Law).

A lot of people who did Science, Engineering, Computer Science, Actuarial Studies didn't do Further Maths.
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Lolz I'm pursuing Accounting & Finance and I took FM. Nothing wrong in taking whatever you like or think will assist you in your applications as long as you can justify it in your personal statement. Just my 2 cents.
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QUOTE(kongming @ Jul 28 2014, 06:36 PM)
I am able to do Science Stream in A Level but after that I may switch to Law degree. According to the informations I get from Internet. There is no fixed subjects in doing Law degree in A Level. A student who takes Law degree must be suffered in studying futher maths and chemistry. Then doing Law degree may have advantages. So, my question is doing science stream or art stream before doing Law degree? Is it advicable to do that? I think some people may think I am stupid since you can be relaxing in doing A Level and why do I want to do this suffering.
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There are no fixed subjects to take during A Levels if you intend to pursue a Law degree in university. You may choose to do Science subjects, or take Arts subjects, but the general trend for students (as far as i see) is to take Arts subjects, because:

1. they're more relevant
2. the subjects are more towards subjective thinking, crictical thinking and reasoning which will prepare you better for the Law degree you intend to pursue.
3. they don't like sciences tongue.gif

Anyway, no harm doing Science subjects, but you'll have to justify how these subjects prepared you for your Law degree in your personal statement. At the same time, do check out the requirements on university websites which you wish to apply to see whether they may require you to take arts subjects.
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IMHO, Further Math may be able to revv up your logical thinking and since it's a traditional subject it is weighted more heavily than law and accounting. But I don't see how subjects like chem and biology would be relevant to your aspirations (unless you're aiming to specialize in niche derivations like biotech law, which you should duly explain in your UCAS statement...).

I agree with everything @Flame Haze has said. You should take up subjects that improve your writing faculty. Law as an a level subject is a bit of a grey area; it's not a prerequisite at many universities because your first semester and parts of your second semester will be a complete rehash of your A levels law syllabus. Many of my friends who took up law as an alevels subject and proceeded to read law as a degree felt that their first year was a waste of time.

Subjects like economics, business studies etc overlap a little bit with law. A large chunk of your syllabus will deal with company and commercial law etc.

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QUOTE(Flame Haze @ Jul 29 2014, 12:04 AM)
There are no fixed subjects to take during A Levels if you intend to pursue a Law degree in university. You may choose to do Science subjects, or take Arts subjects, but the general trend for students (as far as i see) is to take Arts subjects, because:

1. they're more relevant
2. the subjects are more towards subjective thinking, crictical thinking and reasoning which will prepare you better for the Law degree you intend to pursue.
3. they don't like sciences  tongue.gif

Anyway, no harm doing Science subjects, but you'll have to justify how these subjects prepared you for your Law degree in your personal statement. At the same time, do check out the requirements on university websites which you wish to apply to see whether they may require you to take arts subjects.
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I think it could be good at language to study law.

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QUOTE(Cottoncandyclouds @ Jul 29 2014, 01:29 AM)
IMHO, Further Math may be able to revv up your logical thinking and since it's a traditional subject it is weighted more heavily than law and accounting. But I don't see how subjects like chem and biology would be relevant to your aspirations (unless you're aiming to specialize in niche derivations biotech law, which you should duly explain in your UCAS statement...).

I agree with everything @Flame Haze has said. You should take up subjects that improve your writing faculty. Law as an a level subjects is a bit of a grey area; it's not a prerequisite at many universities because your first semester and parts of your second semester will be a complete rehash of your A levels law syllabus. Many of my friends who took up law as an alevels subject and proceeded to read law as a degree felt that their first year was a waste of time.

Subjects like economics, business studies etc overlap a little bit with law. A large chunk of your syllabus will deal with company and commercial law etc.
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Thanks for your valuable information many thanks.
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i would the suggest ts to study the english better... ts english very the poor... law no good english end up like a lot the gov prosecutors, jokers in court..
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post Jul 29 2014, 01:40 PM

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nothing in A levels except law itself is related to law degree ... lol
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QUOTE(Flame Haze @ Jul 28 2014, 11:55 PM)
Lolz I'm pursuing Accounting & Finance and I took FM. Nothing wrong in taking whatever you like or think will assist you in your applications as long as you can justify it in your personal statement. Just my 2 cents.
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i agree with you, that's not what I was saying tho

Further Maths is not a 'must' for Econ, Actuarial, Engineering students etc. It should really be for Maths and Physics ppl.
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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Jul 29 2014, 05:25 PM)
i agree with you, that's not what I was saying tho

Further Maths is not a 'must' for Econ, Actuarial, Engineering students etc. It should really be for Maths and Physics ppl.
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Some of the more competitive econs courses in the UK have both Math and Further Math as prerequisites (econs in many cases not necessary...).

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QUOTE(Cottoncandyclouds @ Jul 29 2014, 06:33 PM)
Some of the more competitive econs courses in the UK have both Math and Further Math as prerequisites (econs in many cases not necessary...).
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I went to uni a couple years back. I don't know if it's changed in 2014 or 2013 but previously no Econ degree required FM. That's just unnecessary.

Now if you took FM and you applied for a BEcon, and the offer requires you to get an A grade in FM, that's not the same thing. There was never any FM prerequisite in the first place and it is possible (but not easy) to get into the best Econ school without FM.
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Try to think about this : What type of works you preferred in the future? Office work? Work in hospital / lab / construction site?
If you are able to answer this question, I guess you know what you want and choose the correct pathway smile.gif
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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Jul 29 2014, 08:20 PM)
I went to uni a couple years back. I don't know if it's changed in 2014 or 2013 but previously no Econ degree required FM. That's just unnecessary.

Now if you took FM and you applied for a BEcon, and the offer requires you to get an A grade in FM, that's not the same thing. There was never any FM prerequisite in the first place and it is possible (but not easy) to get into the best Econ school without FM.
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Perhaps it's more of a recent requirement due to grade inflation in the UK. The econs course in my old uni requires students to take Math and ideally FM as well (though only math is compulsory).

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I think FM is not just only calculating but training the student on critical thinking, analysis, logical thinking, solving problem so on and so forth.
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QUOTE(Bruno Smart Jacq @ Jul 30 2014, 04:12 PM)
Try to think about this : What type of works you preferred in the future? Office work? Work in hospital / lab / construction site?
If you are able to answer this question, I guess you know what you want and choose the correct pathway smile.gif
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You are answering my core question and many thanks.
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QUOTE(Cottoncandyclouds @ Jul 30 2014, 11:21 PM)
Perhaps it's more of a recent requirement due to grade inflation in the UK. The econs course in my old uni requires students to take Math and ideally FM as well (though only math is compulsory).
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I think few unis would teach Econ to the level that would require such a strong Maths background that it would justify needing FM as a prerequisite.

So yes, the purpose of FM is to differentiate between applicants only. They encourage people to do FM (LSE etc) because all else being equal, an A or A* in FM would set you apart right away. Most of the time I think this won't apply as the majority of Econ students or candidates won't and aren't expected to have FM. If you don't take FM and you have a competitive application you will still get in, because there are quite a lot of spots available in Econ. Taking FM forces you to have to do well in it.

LSE is one of the special cases because you'd have to do more Maths (and possibly at a higher level) than others, and while you don't need FM knowledge it doesn't hurt to have that advantage.
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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Jul 31 2014, 05:24 AM)
I think few unis would teach Econ to the level that would require such a strong Maths background that it would justify needing FM as a prerequisite.

So yes, the purpose of FM is to differentiate between applicants only. They encourage people to do FM (LSE etc) because all else being equal, an A or A* in FM would set you apart right away. Most of the time I think this won't apply as the majority of Econ students or candidates won't and aren't expected to have FM. If you don't take FM and you have a competitive application you will still get in, because there are quite a lot of spots available in Econ. Taking FM forces you to have to do well in it.

LSE is one of the special cases because you'd have to do more Maths (and possibly at a higher level) than others, and while you don't need FM knowledge it doesn't hurt to have that advantage.
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Correct me (for I may be wrong) but FM teaches Chi square, z tests and the like right (along with proving theorems). Won't most students cover that in their econometrics syllabus (I did)?

If you google " economics further math " you will start seeing a few university admissions pages coming up.

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