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post Jul 31 2014, 11:43 AM

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Top mount - you can just place the sink on top of solid surface or any counter top.

Undermount - Sink is placed between countertop and cabinet carcase. If tiled countertop, sink is placed only after countertop construction is completed and dried, before tiling over sink and countertop.

This will require stronger support for the sink with tiled countertop as compared to solid surface/countertop with cabinet carcass because the cabinet carcass supports the sink directly.

Pros for top mount :

1. When you want to change sink, just undo the silicon etc and remove sink without hacking the countertop & cabinet.

Cons:

1. Not as neat looking compared to under mount if you are looking at aesthetics.

Pros for undermount:

1. seamless joint look with countertop as it sort of "flush" in line

Cons:

1. Changing sink means have to hack everything.

If getting SS, make sure the grade is 304 and sink thickness must be 0.8mm and above.
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post Jul 31 2014, 01:03 PM

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For top mount sink replacement, yes have to find back same size. Unless you want to make a bigger hole in the countertop.

For undermount sink replacement, need to hack everything and rebuild the countertop from scratch.

Granite, Blanco is quite well known and I know this brand only because frankly I have never used granite sinks before as with granite sinks, need to take extra care. They can crack if you accidentally bang or use really heavy item on it.

SS sinks, you won't go wrong with a few familiar brands like Sorento, Teka, kohler, klaus, franke to name. But be warned, kohler, klaus are pricey brands but reviews have rated them as really durable, and good quality. Need to order them from Amazon. Or get the equivalent of it from TaoBao.

For Sorento, Teka brands you can go and check them out. If you are in KL, you can look for the resident seller, Zheilwane. He has good feedback and has a actual shop you can go to.

QUOTE(ethanhan @ Jul 31 2014, 01:04 PM)
Thank you for your input

Will most sink regardless SS or garnite has same size? because if do top mount or undermount, also will require to re-do the countertop size. is it?

So, which brand would you recommend for SS or granite? Very difficult to detect is it SS 304 from the brand.
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post Jul 31 2014, 03:48 PM

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Well, this would apply to tiled countertop. Not with solid surface top/countertop and wood cabinets since need to dismantle the solid surface/countertop but problem would lie with how they remove it without damaging the sink itself.

Kitchen carpentry installed yesterday, the guys were hard at work trying to align the cabinets/drawers to the innerside of my countertop. After installation, I had a really good look at the alignment. Was mentally f**king the tiling contractor upside down in my mind. shakehead.gif

The kitchen countertop is indeed slanted and the extra 2 leg supports (not needed in my opinion) is definitely not straight because the cabinet doors does not flush straight against the leg supports. At least cabinet doors flush straight side by side.

For Tall cabinet alignment, the gap is not so big infront because the installer tried his best to align it, including adding extra back support.

I would say the installer and his helper deserve a thumbs up for doing his very best to install nicely and even fixing the oven plug, switches without extra charges~

QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 31 2014, 03:57 PM)
You don't have to and wouldn't want to do this. You definitely need to take everything apart to change sink if you do it this way...

Btw how's your kitchen to wall alignment problem?
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post Jul 31 2014, 05:53 PM

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HCE or Haustern sinks I have seen around in this forum but I don't know how the quality is?

Do PM zheilwane as he he should be selling HCE/Haustern sinks as well.

I'm using undermount sink for my concrete support but I kind of dislike the way my tilling contractor did my undermount sink. Make it look so lousy
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post Jul 31 2014, 06:16 PM

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Bro I PM you the pic ok?

QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 31 2014, 07:00 PM)
how about some pictures? i like to see the edges where the tile meets the sink, and how it is done, thanks
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post Jul 31 2014, 09:10 PM

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Pm me your email add.

Im using this type of faucet. Nothing fanciful because at the end of the day, it must be functional. My kitchen is not even a showroom in the first place. And my sink is also a 1 bowl sink with 1.0mm thickness.

QUOTE(ethanhan @ Jul 31 2014, 08:39 PM)
Guys, what faucet you all use for dry and wet kitchen? Suggestion please and along with what brand should get..I wont go for high end though
Bro, tag me along too..in learning curve too.
So, guys, actually my house will have dry and wet kitchen

I see @brandnewstart using 1 bowl sink..any suggestion apart from this idea. im thinking of wet go for SS, dry go for granite..come come to papa with ideas..hehehe
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post Jul 31 2014, 09:34 PM

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Tap is RM89

Faucet must have a curve for strong water flow than straight curve.

Anyway it was either the push down lever faucet or the twist-turn lever faucet. So I went with the twist-turn lever cos feels more stable.

QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 31 2014, 10:13 PM)
how much is this faucet and what makes you buy it?
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post Jul 31 2014, 09:40 PM

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Share with you a couple of examples showing undermount sinks on concrete support, wood support before laying tiles and surface top in either solid surface/granite or quartz material. Last pic is with tiled countertop and undermount granite sink. The thickness between tile/top and sink depends on cement or silicone applied

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post Jul 31 2014, 09:54 PM

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post Jul 31 2014, 09:58 PM

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Ya do take note of the thickness of cement applied between tile and sink if too thick that looks like squeezed out between a hamburger with lots of sauce. blink.gif

QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ Jul 31 2014, 10:54 PM)
see how skilful is my contractor first. if he is not confident, then no talk already
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post Jul 31 2014, 10:09 PM

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No. Sealant has to be applied outside. You can google how waterproof sealant is applied to sinks' outer. Easier for you to understand.

QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ Jul 31 2014, 11:06 PM)
cement is needed to adhere the tiles together based on bro S'aimer

bro saimer, should there be a layer of silicon to conceal the cement?
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post Jul 31 2014, 10:11 PM

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Depends on the skill of the contractor and his workers. This is why I am mentally f**king them upside down in my head and I know I cannot do anything now that the sink has been mounted.

Makes me regret but what to do? My renovation budget burst and cannot spend so much to redo all that now.

QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 31 2014, 11:01 PM)
Maybe your contractor shouldn't use cement but silicon....
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post Jul 31 2014, 10:21 PM

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I pay for their labour, not their materials which is supplied by me.

Ask for compensation, they won't agree except to rectify the problems.

That's why if your contractor is meticulous etc, he will definitely have the skill to make it neat not like some squeezed hamburger analogy.

QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ Jul 31 2014, 11:13 PM)
no compensation on the damages they caused? as in cut their price  ?
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post Aug 1 2014, 10:34 PM

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This one hard to say?

Both my sink and faucet are from felice.

Sink is seems solid for a SS sink as it feels a little heavy and the bottom part have rubber pad if I remember right? Need to check next time

This is what my sink looks like in its sheet covering before I undermounted my sink.

As for why I bought the sink and faucet, it just happens they met my budget, has S304 grade, 1.0mm thickness, the size and depth.

So my advice is, go and check out the sinks and faucets. Feel them at least before looking at price, specs and your budget. You will be using it daily so it's not about choosing the cheapest or value for money as you have to be comfortable with the sink and quality besides the size you need.

QUOTE(ethanhan @ Aug 1 2014, 10:46 PM)
Hi sifus

Anyone know which would be better value for money..hope no bias on certain brand..looking for one average range

Sink SS and Sink Granite

HCE
Sorento
Cabana
Hauster
Docasa
Baco

Note: I was told Today by salesman, if wanna use granite, countertop should be solid NOT cement tiles. True??

And for faucet, which brand should go for? or chose the cheapest one?

-Felice
-Sorento
-Mocha
-Cabana
-Any other brand?
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post Aug 2 2014, 12:06 PM

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First, decide what size you need. Do you need a single bowl or double bowl? Then how big you want the sink? After that it's the depth of the sink? Before you decide on your budget.

When you have decided on the above criteria, next is to check out the brands, feel them and make a few sink choices based on your criteria and budget. It will be a matter of choosing among the few sink choices and which you like most. Lol, isn't it simple?

As for SS grade and thickness, be sure to ask seller about it if you cannot find the information of the sink specs online. Google is your friend to research.

The thickness measurement I believe has been discussed in lowyat forum here. Do a search.

Yes you can buy sink in advance, just tell the contractor the sink dimensions and faucet size or just show him your sink and faucet to measure properly.

QUOTE(ethanhan @ Aug 2 2014, 09:42 AM)
Yes, Felice has the low price range and has rubber pad, even now some sink SS has 4 side rubber pad + bottom rubber pad and plus coating already

So mostly all sink would be the same is it? just see price and which is 304 and thickness so jus grab one huh?

The thickness is it measured from the lubang?
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post Aug 2 2014, 01:44 PM

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You're welcome.

Bathroom & kitchen sinks, faucets, stove, oven, water heaters, fans and air con can be bought in advance. Just remember to show contractor the dimensions for the kitchen sink, stove and built in oven for the respective openings in countertop and cabinet.

Bathroom water closets, get contractor to help you measure from wall to water closet pipe hole as there is no standard size for water closet and the pipe size differs. So get the proper measurement and go check with the bathroom shops for the type of water closet that can fit with your pipe hole.

Bathroom doors, it's better to buy and have them installed after your bathroom stuff are installed.

House lightings, check with contractor how many lights required for installation if you are using t5 tubes for L Box. and downlights for plaster ceiling. Otherwise, just buy according to your existing light points if no L Box and plaster ceiling.



QUOTE(ethanhan @ Aug 2 2014, 02:10 PM)
Thank you so much for the guidance Saimer
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post Aug 2 2014, 07:10 PM

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Wow. Then you trade in your double bowl for a single bowl? Show hand!
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post Aug 2 2014, 07:33 PM

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Oh no wonder. Lol

Pics?
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post Aug 8 2014, 10:05 AM

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If you mean GST? Then yes, But if it's custom tax on singapore side, no. Only for JB side.

For singaporeans however, if they purchase goods in malaysia, and goods value more than S$500, will have to declare at SG customs. If I remember right, that if less than 24-48 hours and travelling in a group, each person has tax relief up to S$250 per person. Got to check thiough.m

For malaysians declaring at MY customs, I don't know.

QUOTE(petlu28 @ Aug 8 2014, 11:01 AM)
Purchase in Singapore have tax or not?
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post Aug 8 2014, 01:48 PM

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Neutral reveal is flush mount right? Saw a diagram showing positive, negative and neutral reveal. I think it's because your sink being round, can hide the edge a bit more than flush mount

QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ Aug 8 2014, 11:15 AM)
Ok. Maybe in a month's time. When will yours ready?

My contractor recommended negative reveal becoz my sink is round. He says neater. I saw some pics, quite nice. It's not nice if you put your head on the table top or into the sink , otherwise when I view it from the top, I find quite nice leh actually haha
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