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TSkenzilla
post Aug 19 2006, 11:16 PM, updated 20y ago

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I been modding PC since 2000, when modding was very much in its infancy in Malaysia. Then, you cannot get hold of any decent kits or tools in Malaysia, and I wasted a good amount of money ordering from overseas, mainly from US and Australia. Today, a good number of items such as UV lights, water-cooling kits and whatnots are readily available from Low Yat Plaza.

I see in this and other forums many questions that I faced myself when I take up modding, and I obtained many answers and help from the internet, so I thought maybe it is time I contribute my own experiences. Here is my take on PC modding.

Nowadays, I do mostly utilitarian mods, i.e., for better cooling or better acoustic, rather than aesthetics. In other words, its ugly but it is cool and quiet smile.gif

For example, below are a simple mod I just completed. It is an old ICute casing for my dual-CPU A7M266-D motherboard. It is an old workhorse now, but it was state of the art when I bought it. It have 2 Athlon MP 2000 CPU, 2 GB of registered RAM and 2 x 120 GB HDD. It also has 2 x DVD-RW drives, and 6 x 80mm fans. The PC was exhibiting PSU problems in that sometimes it cannot detect the 2nd HDD, and I suspect that the PSU cannot deliver enough juice to the 2nd PSU. Since this is an old motherboard, I have problems finding a replacement PSU.

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So I take the PC apart and gave it a good cleaning after 2 years of accumulated dust. Rather than trying to source a new suitable PSU, I decided to add a 2nd bay at the bottom and put in an old 2nd PSU to support all the fans and the none-critical drives. This way, with decrease demand on the PSU, I should be able to get another few years of use. The picture below show the molexs I added to the ICute casing for when my 2nd PSU bay is ready.

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Since I am doing all this, I decided to optimized all the fans. The front of the casing has 4 x 80mm intake fans, and the back has another 2 x 80mm. Together with the dual CPU, and 2 other fans inside the PSU, the machine sound like a jet engine when switch on. It really was a bit too much.

So I decided to get rid of the 4 x 80mm fan and replace it with 1 x 120mm fan instead. To do this, I have to cut a new hole at the center of the existing 80mm fan bays. The new 120mm was then mounted on a rubber gasket.

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The front plastic bezels have only teeny weeny slots (something which I never understand) so I decided to cut a blowhole in the plastic for better airflow. The problem is that the power and reset switch sits right smack in the middle of the bezel. Therefore, to minimized the amount of workm I simply cut around the switches and create an U-shaped blowhole.

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To improve the air-intake further, I add an extra 120mm fan on top of the case. The fan was again mounted on rubber gasket, with an air-filter and fan-guard. My rationale for such a high proportion of intakes is that I rather have intakes through my filters, rather than have negative pressure inside my casing and draw unfiltered air inside my casing. Secondly, I insulated my casing with rubber and foam, which seals up a lot of gaps so negative pressure will not work anyway.

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For better acoustics, all the fans, including the ones inside the PSU are remounted either on gaskets or rubber washers. For example, the top 120mm fan was mounted on rubber gaskets, and foam was fitted into the top of the 3.5" bays. Foam was added to the bottom and side panels as well.

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A. Essential tools

1. Jigsaw
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This is a good tool for cutting large openings like side panels, but it is essential that the right blades are used and the panel properly supported.
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It is panel is not properly supported or if you are using thin aluminium panels, it is possible that if the blade catch during the cutting operation it will warp your panel. Also, it is difficult to get a good smooth precison cut from a jigsaw, which is why I use this tools only when I have to, which is for large openings which will take too much time and effort using a Dremel. One should be prepared to do a lot of finishing work using files and sandpaper after cutting with a jigsaw. You can get this tools from pretty much any hardware store.

2. Dremel
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I got mine way back in 2000 from a shop in Jalan Pasar. It was bought from Soon Huat Hardware, but when I visited them last weekend, they no longer carry the tool. I saw from Case Modding Tools post that Dremel is also available at a hardware shop at Jaya Shooping Complex, but I have yet to personally check out the place yet. I also see from the same post that Black & Decker offers a similar tool which is more readily available from hardware stores such as ACE Hardware at MidValley, but the complaint seems to be that it overheats rather quickly.

Dremel allows a much more precision cut than using a jigsaw, but unless you are using a diamond cutting disc (which I have yet to find in Malaysia) you will end up using 4-8 normal cutting discs on just one 120mm blowhole, depending on your skill and how may disc you cracked mad.gif . The good thing is that these type of cutting disc seems to be readily available in Jalan Pasar.

There is a similar tool that looks very much like a Dremel sold in electronics shop in Jalan Pasar. It is quite cheap (<RM100) and comes with similar accessories. However, you will see that it takes power from a transformer, and it is way underpowered for cutting through steel or aluminium panels. It is a waste of money since it is an extremely limited tool.

3. Files
A simple and cheap tool, but often overlooked. Always get a set of files, and the most useful are the circular and sem-circular file. You should also get a set of the small files, which comes in a series of shapes, i.e., square, triangle, round, etc. A set of the small files will set you back RM10 from any hardware shop. Use the large files are large openings and the small files for small opening, tight corner and complex shapes.

This post has been edited by kenzilla: Sep 3 2006, 10:23 PM
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post Aug 20 2006, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(kenzilla @ Aug 19 2006, 11:16 PM)
I been modding PC since 2000, when modding was very much in its infancy in Malaysia. Then, you cannot get hold of any decent kits or tools in Malaysia, and I wasted a good amount of money ordering from overseas, mainly from US and Australia. Today, a good number of items such as UV lights, water-cooling kits and whatnots are readily available from Low Yat Plaza.

I see in this and other forums many questions that I faced myself when I take up modding, and I obtained many answers and help from the internet, so I thought maybe it is time I contribute my own experiences. Here is my take on PC modding.
A. Essential tools

1. Jigsaw
This is a good tool for cutting large openings like side panels, but it is essential that the right blades are used and the panel properly supported. It is panel is not properly supported or if you are using thin aluminium panels, it is possible that if the blade catch during the cutting operation it will warp your panel. Also, it is difficult to get a good smooth precison cut from a jigsaw, which is why I use this tools only when I have to, which is for large openings which will take too much time and effort using a Dremel. One should be prepared to do a lot of finishing work using files and sandpaper after cutting with a jigsaw. You can get this tools from pretty much any hardware store. Personally, I use a Ryobi jigsaw.

2. Dremel - I got mind way back in 2000 from a shop in Jalan Pasar. I remember it was a small storefront selling power tools, and I remember the shop keeper telling me that the only other customer that bought the tools was using it in a dentist shop to make false teeths! I saw from Case Modding Tools post that Dremel is also available at a hardware shop at Jaya Shooping Complex, but I have yet to personally check out the place yet. I also see from the same post that Black & Decker offers a similar tool which is more readily available from hardware stores such as ACE Hardware at MidValley, but the complaint seems to be that it overheats rather quickly.

Dremel allows a much more precision cut than using a jigsaw, but unless you are using a diamond cutting disc (which I have yet to find in Malaysia) you will end up using 4-8 normal cutting discs on just one 120mm blowhole, depending on your skill and how may disc you cracked  mad.gif .  The good thing is that these type of cutting disc seems to be readily available in Jalan Pasar.

There is a similar tool that looks very much like a Dremel sold in electronics shop in Jalan Pasar. It is quite cheap (<RM100) and comes with similar accessories. However, you will see that it takes power from a transformer, and it is way underpowered for cutting through steel or aluminium panels. It is a waste of money since it is an extremely limited tool.

3. Files
A simple and cheap tool, but often overlooked. Always get a set of files, and the most useful are the circular and sem-circular file. You should also get a set of the small files, which comes in a series of shapes, i.e., square, triangle, round, etc. A set  of the small files will set you back RM10 from any hardware shop. Use the large files are large openings and the small files for small opening, tight corner and complex shapes.

To be continued...
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wow....an old timer for pc modding!! nowadays got alot of pc modders wannabe...(i am one of them tongue.gif) hopefully 'sifu' can share wif us your knowledge and experience tongue.gif

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dont just talk..show us ur mod masterpiece
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QUOTE(jinkinz @ Aug 20 2006, 02:23 AM)
dont just talk..show us ur mod masterpiece
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my goodness, can you sound a little more well-mannered?
btw, it's a "rotary tool" thread starter....Dremel's a brand.
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post Aug 20 2006, 09:56 AM

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I hope TS can show us some of the picture for all these tool you have owned them. tongue.gif
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Great post kenzilla! Good to know another old hand at case modding. I've been modding casings since 1999, so looks like we started modding around the same time.

One thing to bear in mind when using power tools like jigsaws and dremels is to always use eye protection! You don't want those little bits of metal flying into your eyes do you? shocking.gif


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post Aug 21 2006, 03:13 AM

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kenzilla : Diamond cutting wheel can be found in M'sia act smile.gif

And act u wont need so many cutting wheels (I assume u r usin' Standard Cut-Off Disc or Heavy Duty) if use Fibre Reinforced Cutting Wheels. Just a single wheel can cut whole side panel wink.gif
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post Aug 21 2006, 08:52 AM

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u guys are awesome!
keep ti up!

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post Aug 21 2006, 01:51 PM

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wow, seriously, all this hoo-haa over a single post?
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post Aug 22 2006, 01:56 PM

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Hehehe biggrin.gif Started modding WAAAY back, while I was still schooling. About 1997-ish tongue.gif Teaktown.com & Casejunkiez.com were my main feed then laugh.gif
1st case I shaughtered was my Acer Entra 500 laugh.gif Used a hand-saw to get the window done laugh.gif Files & hammers were my best friends biggrin.gif Couldn't (...or didn't know where to doh.gif ) find acrylic easily back then, so I resorted to using spare window panes, the one with the patterns laugh.gif

Used to remember going to LowYat & asking for sleeves & CCFL's. laugh.gif Should've seen the look on the shopkeepers' face when I tried to explain what the HECK it was! laugh.gif Classic-man! laugh.gif

Man, things HAVE changed! wink.gif
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Wht is the objective of this thread act ekk? Sharing stories or sharing knowledge? tongue.gif


GoldenHawk : Seems the most emoticons used in single post laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bombman @ Aug 23 2006, 12:59 AM)
Wht is the objective of this thread act ekk? Sharing stories or sharing knowledge?  tongue.gif
GoldenHawk : Seems the most emoticons used in single post  laugh.gif
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Duno lo... the threadstarter disappear without completing his story... sweat.gif
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yeah... threadstarter should show his masterpiece..
as mod from 2000.. sure got many rite.. huhh
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Aug 23 2006, 06:33 AM)
yeah... threadstarter should show his masterpiece..
as mod from 2000.. sure got many rite.. huhh
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laugh.gif i guess its an one-off thing.....talk abit then disappear sweat.gif
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I been modding PC since 2000,

i hope u not saying that
u mod once in 2000... huhuuh
where are u TS ???
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Haha i really wanna hv a look at his modding. 2000 is the year of P3 rite?? Wanna see how he mod those bulky MATX case tongue.gif
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oh look, a soon-to-be-dead thread filled with me-too and useless posts.

how pointless can this get?

whee.
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This thread has become a useless spammers kopitiam. THREAD CLOSED.

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post Aug 31 2006, 02:13 PM

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First and foremost, my apologies for not continuing my last post. It appears the ever diligent moderator has locked that thread. I started the post the day before my trip, and did not finish it because I have an early flight, and only got back yesterday.

I am quite suprised at the responses from the original thread. If the moderators allow me some leeway for a couple of weeks, I will keep my promise and complete that post, complete with pictures of all the tools and projects.

This post has been edited by kenzilla: Aug 31 2006, 02:13 PM
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u can do now anyway @@"

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There he's. Finally the threadstarter has came back. Mebe the mod can reopen it or the threadstarter can just copy whtever u hav mentioned & continue updating w/ the rest of ur info notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(kenzilla @ Aug 31 2006, 02:13 PM)
First and foremost, my apologies for not continuing my last post. It appears the ever diligent moderator has locked that thread. I started the post the day before my trip, and did not finish it because I have an early flight, and only got back yesterday.

I am quite suprised at the responses from the original thread. If the moderators allow me some leeway for a couple of weeks, I will keep my promise and complete that post, complete with pictures of all the tools and projects.
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whats wrong with posting it now?

the way i see it, empty 'preview' posts like these dont serve any purpose, if only to bump up your post count.
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post Sep 2 2006, 08:43 PM

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eBola,Sep 1 2006, 02:21 AM]
whats wrong with posting it now?

the way i see it, empty 'preview' posts like these dont serve any purpose, if only to bump up your post count.
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Sorry if it appear that way. As I expained previously, I was away for a couple of weeks which I why I did not finish my previous post. Coming back, I was suprised at the response, so I promptly replied. Unfortunately, being married with a 1 year old kid and running a business means my hobby pc modding have to take a distant 3rd place. blush.gif

Looking at the feedback from my previous post, I thought I will take photos to accompany my new post, which I will get around to do...hopefully tomorrow.
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Thread reopened n merged. Hopefully it doesn't become a kopitiam thread again.

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Geez, like 8-balls said, all the hoo-ha. We want pix, not just "i can mod" or "i modded 1293812 cases".
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thread starter......are you that one i knew?? lol...are u?
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smile.gif The thread is reopen. Thanks to the moderator.

To reply to some of the posts here.

I started modding in 2000, and done major modding on 2 - 3 cases. Water-cooling, double-PSU, cigarette lighters, the works. At the end of it, I trashed all those cases because the results was frankly, in a word, disastrous. Too much bling, and the workmanship was really atrocious.

I started with a jigsaw, since I could not get my hands on a dremel early on. I am a engineer by trade, so I have quite a comprehensive set of tools, from circular saws to jackhammers, but most of those tools are WAY too rough to use on a PC case. I know first hand, and you should see all the panels I warped!

My case painting in the beginning also did not went too well. It was hard to get a good finish (especially if the panel is warped!) Even when the finished is good, I find the paint work was too easily scratch or damaged.

The last couple of years, i did mostly utilitarian mods, i.e., blowholes and wiring, to improve the cooling performance, rather than the aesthetics of the case. The reason is simply I did not have as much time for my hobby as I used to have.

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Tomyam,

I think not, as I have no idea who you are...sorry icon_rolleyes.gif


CloudX,

Yeap..P3. 1 GHz to be exact. I still remember when CPU hit 1 GHz. It was a landmark back then. I did not even notice when it pass the 2 or 3 Ghz mark. We all get blaise after a while.

I went shopping for a casing yesterday, and I could not find a virgin beige steel casing. I have no idea what it MATX though. Anyway, I actually prefer a beige ugly steel casing for RM75, rather than today's casing with windows/blowholes. For one, with all the existing features, it is difficult to add other mods. And if the manufacturers want to add fans, why can't they put in 120mm fans than the dinky and noisy 80mm?

The ugly beige casings are like a blank piece of paper, to do what you will. Today casings you have to work with the pre-existing features.


eBola & Acey,

I am not here to gain recognition or bump up my post counts..(why? Do I get a prize if I post a lot?). I am not even in the computer trade, scene or whatever. I only came across this forum because I was checking out some prices for my new pc. I posted because I perceive that while there is a lot of old and expert modders here, there is also a lot of newbies in Malaysia trying to start modding. I figure that if I could share my experience with them, it would make their modding experiences slightly easier and less expensive. I only modded less than 5 casings, all for my own use, and all but 2 was a disaster. You guys got to relax. I am not here to claim your glory (what glory?). When I started modding, I pick up a lot of tips from the web, so I just thought its my turn to contribute. Nothing more, nothing less.

I do have a living to make, and I am assembling my new AMD X2 3800 AM2 PC. Plus I am repairing my old AMD dual CPU A7M266-D motherboard, so I will take my own sweet time completing my post if its OK with the both of you. I was not aware there is a time limit here in this forum.

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Sigh... sweat.gif
Don't just talk talk laa... doh.gif

Put real pictures... icon_rolleyes.gif

All talk talk then this topic will be kopitiam topic, and later on, it'll be closed again... laugh.gif

Don't just talk, put the pictures... icon_rolleyes.gif
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sHawTY,

No offense taken.

What is a 'kopitiam' topic? For all intends and purposes, what is wrong with this being a coffeeshop talk? Sorry, but I am new to this forum, so I am not aware of the connotations behind 'kopitiam' topic.

Secondly, I just got back from a business trip. My old A7M266-D PC was acting up, so decided to do a spring cleaning on the inside the PC. Clean it up, added two extra blow-holes and line the insides with foam for better acoustics, and the bloody thing suddenly decide to stop working. So I spent the last two days getting it to run, plus I need to assemble my new PC.

Why all this pressure for the photos? Is it to prove I really know how to cut a blowhole?

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sHawTY,

No offense taken.

What is a 'kopitiam' topic?  For all intends and purposes, what is wrong with this being a coffeeshop talk? Sorry, but I am new to this forum, so I am not aware of the connotations behind 'kopitiam' topic.

Secondly, I just got back from a business trip. My old A7M266-D PC was acting up, so decided to do a spring cleaning on the inside the PC. Clean it up, added two extra blow-holes and line the insides with foam for better acoustics, and the bloody thing suddenly decide to stop working. So I spent the last two days getting it to run, plus I need to assemble my new PC.

Why all this pressure for the photos? Is it to prove I really know hoe to cut a blowhole?
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That's not the problem...
None of us here says that you can't cut a blowhole...

It's just...
All the talks, but no pictures, it's going to be harder for other people to understanding what you're doing... sweat.gif

So, easier way is to put the pictures, together with the grandpa story just like bro "ianho" are doing... laugh.gif

That's going to be better isn't it? wink.gif

Peace bro!! icon_rolleyes.gif
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No offence but once there is a new thread about personal modding here, we ALL expect pictures or questions regarding confusion/new ideas when it comes to mods. Its becoming more of a chatroom in here.
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post Sep 2 2006, 10:09 PM

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sHawTY,

Point taken. Will use my camera tomorrow.. whistling.gif


Acey,

Boy, you guys really pile up the pressure here. Just a suggestion, but a more relax attitude from the senior members help. For a while there, I wonder what I have gotten myself into. Its a hobby, for christsakes, not a competition.. doh.gif

I promised photos, but not right now. My project are all in my office, and I am not going back there 10 pm at night to take photos. That place is reputated to be haunted.

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Can't wait for the pictures... drool.gif

Just some heads up, post the pictures of your modification on the first page aite?
So that it'll be easier for all forumers here to look at it... thumbup.gif

Just some heads up... wink.gif
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Thanks sHawTY,

Picture included in original post.
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anticipating ur work smile.gif

got to give u 10cheers for using a cheapo ugly case.

I believe in modding a simple case or ugly case impressively rather than expensive casing & exotic high end hardwares whcih i've done for others ....

perhaps i lack creativity, now i await urs !!


cheers ..
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QUOTE(uglyvamp @ Sep 4 2006, 01:12 AM)
anticipating ur work smile.gif

got to give u 10cheers  for using a cheapo ugly case.

I believe in modding a simple case or ugly case impressively rather than expensive casing & exotic high end hardwares whcih i've done for others ....

perhaps i lack creativity, now i await urs !!
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Actually, I love cheap ugly cases. No fans, no windows, no aluminium and preferably is beige. That way, if I f*#k it up, I don't feel so bad. Anyone know where I can get this kind of cases?

I have another 2 projects which I will post when I have the time. If I started a new project thread before I am ready, there is too much pressure to post pics and complete the thread.

Anyway, thanks.
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seems like u do reply to every responses here smile.gif

that's courtesy of ya ..

spend more time to finish up ur job wink.gif
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QUOTE(uglyvamp @ Sep 5 2006, 12:46 AM)
seems like u do reply to every responses here smile.gif

that's courtesy of ya ..

spend more time to finish up ur job wink.gif
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I did not get the top blowhole screws placement 100% aligned, and you can see the panel slightly warped. If I make the screw holes larger, that would solve the problem. The paint are all scratched up. This is an old casing afterall.

Most of the modding here are for the looks. I am modding to keep my pc cool and quiet. Different priorities. This is my old workhorse, and I cannot afford to spend too much time on it, since I need to work also building a new PC. I need to get this one working asap, so as long as it run stably and quiet, I am fine with it. It is hidden under my desk anyway.

BTW, I see you are also active in garage sales, and one of these days, I will pick something up from you.

This post has been edited by kenzilla: Sep 5 2006, 08:41 AM
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Hey, that's a nice mod you've done there!!! thumbup.gif

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