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 Proton Prevé V21, Versione ventuno!

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post Sep 26 2014, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(Darkcloudz @ Sep 26 2014, 12:30 PM)
definitely serious! last time my car couldn't move at toll. swift D gear press pedal not moving. * gearbox problem.
This time while driving on the road, gearbox problem again.

I worried next time when driving high speed at highway, out of sudden gearbox problem again. Then accident.
Shiat.. couldn't imagine further
Proton ah proton.
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How old is your car and is it the low-spec Preve or the high-spec Preve Turbo. Certainly a very serious problem and the service centre needs to fix your car immediately.
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post Sep 29 2014, 07:34 AM

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QUOTE(xtremesportx @ Sep 28 2014, 03:18 PM)
Anyone experienced weird unexplained rattling sound "tak tak" coming from the back?

Tried check the seat the back dashboard, the boot still cannot find the source of the sound.. Damn annoying,... Driver seat also when sitter down got squeaky sound went SC they changed the whole driver seat and now 5 months after the same sound came back.... !!

Anyone tried soundproofing also? I'm driving the 1.6cvt so engine sound is really quite harsh and nvh is quite bad also for the preve... Anyone notice any improvement after soundproofing? Btw the stock tire is the conti cc5 so shud be good already right?

I'm willing to spend up to 1-2k if there's significant improvement in the nvh and reduction in engine noise
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Horses for courses. Personally I would not recommend doing soundproofing. You may reduce the engine noise with RM1k-2k soundproofing but there will be other sound that may pop up later from inside the car(rattling of dashboard, squeaky sound from seats etc.), nullifying the soundproofing done to filter out sound from outside the car(engine, wind, tyres etc.) marring the driving enjoyment. And on top of that, when selling the car, all the cost that goes into the car will usually not be recovered.

In summary, I am just not into soundproofing or doing any sort of modifications to the car. Everything stock is best. What I think is if the car is quiet, it will be quiet. If it is noisy, it will be noisy. Similarly, I find the engine sound to be rather harsh and noisy during acceleration when compared to Japanese car. Overall NVH(wind, suspension and noise from traffic) is quite good to me. The sound from the traffic is quiet muted and the suspension does not make too much noise when going over bad roads or bumps. It is only the engine sound and CVT whine during acceleration that are slightly lacking.

As usual, horses for courses.
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post Sep 29 2014, 07:37 AM

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QUOTE(xtremesportx @ Sep 28 2014, 03:18 PM)
Anyone experienced weird unexplained rattling sound "tak tak" coming from the back?

Tried check the seat the back dashboard, the boot still cannot find the source of the sound.. Damn annoying,... Driver seat also when sitter down got squeaky sound went SC they changed the whole driver seat and now 5 months after the same sound came back.... !!

Anyone tried soundproofing also? I'm driving the 1.6cvt so engine sound is really quite harsh and nvh is quite bad also for the preve... Anyone notice any improvement after soundproofing? Btw the stock tire is the conti cc5 so shud be good already right?

I'm willing to spend up to 1-2k if there's significant improvement in the nvh and reduction in engine noise
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Sorry, forgot to mention about the "tak tak" sound from the back seat. In the first week when I received the car the sound was already there. After trial and error for about a month, the sound went away by itself. Try opening and closing the back seat several times. For me, it worked.

The sound that is bugging me now is not from the back seat but the front (driver's) seat. I have got the whole seat changed to a new one and still the sound is there. Hopefully I'll get it sorted out the next time I am at the service centre.

This post has been edited by SportyHandling: Sep 29 2014, 07:38 AM
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post Sep 29 2014, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Sep 29 2014, 07:46 AM)
Noted and thanks!

I was planning to do something to reduce the noise (the seal on the doors etc) but wondering whether it is effective, by how much etc. Anyone measured the noise level before and after?

You make a lot of sense there and I think I will just take what I have now. Ha.
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About 6 years ago I have done RM300 soundproofing on all 4 doors of my Nissan Sylphy which is already a quiet car. Although it is quiet, I am still "curious" whether this door soundproofing will be effective and transform the car to even quieter, to further block the sound from traffic. After the soundproofing, I realised that there is very minimal difference, in fact zero improvement. If there is a slight reduction, it would be in my head.

When I did the soundproofing, another guy also did on his Sylphy, also from the same guy who is promoting the product on Autoworld forum. Similarly he did not find any difference, and also mentioned it may be in his head. Though there is a difference in the feel of the doors when closing and opening. The doors felt slightly heavier and the sound of the doors closing is slightly different with a heavier thud.

If you go onto Autoworld, on the Soundproofing section, you will notice on the mixed receptions people are getting. Some spent RM3k to 4k soundproofing and are still not satisfied with the results after spending that kind of money and swear not to go int soundproofing anymore. Though there are some who are delighted with the results. As I have mentioned, it is horses for courses.

Personally if it were me, I would not waste money on soundproofing. Of course, soundproofing will work. It will reduce the sound of the engine to some extent. The real question is whether it is worth it, for a slightly reduced sound you spend more than RM1k(the sound of the engine will still be there, just slightly softer).

Having said that, you can still try the door seals if you want since it is cheap. But I think the NVH of the PReve Turbo from the traffic is quite acceptable already. Only the engine and CVT whine is a bit loud. Soundproofing to the engine will be significantly costlier.
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post Sep 29 2014, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(theonlyvin @ Sep 29 2014, 08:13 AM)
Why not bro try WD-40 to spray on the metal surface behind the seat?

It work like charm...

But another problem here is, when i move my body, i can heard some weird noise from the seat...like the spring inside is dying =.= icon_question.gif
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The car is still under warranty in which Proton shall fix it. Not sure about the WD-40 but if that is required to fix the sound then Proton shall do it and not the owners in my view.

The sound from the seat is actually what you are describing in your last sentence. Whenever the driver moves the body, there will be noise from the seat as if something is moving inside the seat. Either the airbags, air pockets or some spring as you have mentioned. Not too sure if this is related to the WD-40 solution you said earlier.
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post Sep 29 2014, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(theonlyvin @ Sep 29 2014, 08:18 AM)
Door seal is really worth bro..basically it reduce wind noise....i notice high speed wind noise come after 140km/h....

So for me, cheap cost with great return...

For firewall (Engine), u do need to spend more than 1k.....

And one more thing bro, soundproof and damper the engine cover...Less Than RM50 but great reduction on engine noise...haha` rclxms.gif
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For door seals, as mentioned before I have done it on the Nissan Sylphy, no difference. Maybe there will be difference for the Preve, but at 120km/h and above, the sound from the engine will be louder than the wind noise and will basically overwhelm any other noise in the car.

As for your RM50 in producing "great reduction in engine noise", it is contradictory with your earlier sentence that we need to spend more than RM1000 for the soundproofing of the firewall for the engine. Anyway I highly doubt RM50 can produce magic.


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post Sep 30 2014, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Sep 30 2014, 11:26 AM)
I guess I must be the first one among Preve owners here. My back car plate no came off this morning. Luckily it happened at home as otherwise I would have to buy a new one!

Anyone with similar experience? They used double sided sticker tapes. Any specific arrangement for the tapes for best fix?

Also asking them to rectify my ESC light which came on twice (non blinking indicating ESC failure).

The car will not be ready till this afternoon. So they lent me their Preve demo car. Feel my new Preve is smoother, more powerful etc etc etc, Ha.
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The back number plate of my car didn't fall off but it looked very flimsy at the edges and is curved outwards. Hence I took my vehicle to the nearest service centre to have it fixed. They used higher quality 3M double-sided tapes at more locations so it is all good now. The guy mentioned most stock vehicles use lower quality (and lesser) double-sided tapes on the car plate number and that may have resulted in some number plates falling off. No specific arrangement but basically just use more of those tapes, and the higher quality ones.
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post Sep 30 2014, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Sep 30 2014, 12:41 PM)
Thanks. Will ask my SA to put in more good quality stickers.

Strange that the motor service side does not handle this plate problem. Think that is SA area.
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No problem. Yes, the SA can help you if he/she happens to have high quality 3M double-sided tape. In my case I took it to the nearest Proton service centre (since it is a waste of time to go to COSE for this small issue). If I'm not mistaken I didn't book for an appointment and just walk in. Since it is a small issue the service centre can accommodate.

I looked at the guy who is fixing the double-sided tapes on the car number plate. You may ask the guy to add more but if it is 3M double-sided plates that it should stick well. I noticed the original double-sided tapes are smaller in width compared to the thicker 3M tapes. And very few double-sided tapes are used too.

When I took the car, the car number plate is actually tilted to one side (slightly slanting position) and not exactly a perfect horizontal. The SA fixed it for me.
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post Oct 19 2014, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(rachel_xxx @ Oct 19 2014, 12:46 PM)
wahlao saw the fuel efficiency of axia, this preve really kns
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What is "kns"?
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post Oct 21 2014, 07:41 AM

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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Oct 20 2014, 10:06 PM)
upon received the new car, if found anything wrong with the car should reject immediately or send to SC later ? if anything wrong the SA also can't do anything right ?

Problem like the doors are not well welded, a bit dent...etc
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In most cases, when taking delivery of your new car which is already registered under your name, you can still "reject" the car due to some flaws, but in the end the car will still be yours unless it is a very serious flaw and you do not want to accept the car. Things such as dent on car body or scratches/tear on the leather seats etc. All these can be fixed by the respective vendors. The Sales Advisor's task is doing the arrangement works in calling the right person to fix the problem for the car owner. Usually they will make a note on the Delivery form when you receive the car. You can still drive the car home and the Sales Advisor will schedule the time and day for you to bring the car to the showroom or workshop to have the problem fixed. If it requires repray of metallic paint it will usually take 2 days and you may have to leave the car in the workshop overnight.

So in summary, if there is anything wrong with the car, you can send it to the service centre later. You may choose to reject on the spot, but it may take the several days for the Sales Advisor to arrange to have your car fixed. Unless you really don't need to use the new car, you may choose to reject the car and let them take their own sweet time to fix the car for you, say up to 1 week or more.
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post Oct 27 2014, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(rachel_xxx @ Oct 26 2014, 05:33 PM)
today when i start the engine, suddenly the engine like no energy and auto died off..

first time happened, any one experience the same?..
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Just once or twice if I'm not mistaken in a span of 1 year. Now it doesn't happen anymore though.
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post Oct 27 2014, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Oct 26 2014, 05:28 PM)
I just got back from a holiday in Kuantan. During my travel there, I've noticed that my fuel paddle was not responsive for 1second-ish and that occurred 3 times.

It happened when the car was on the move, not during full stop to start.

What's the issue here?

And list of things to fix at SC:
1. Reverse sensor failing. Continuous beeping sound.
2. Steering shake quite hard occasionally.
3. USB charger doesn't work at the front cigarette socket.
4. Broken right rear fog-light.
5. Water dripping at the front passenger seat during excessive rain.
6. Sound quality issue when using Head Unit Mic.
7. Fuel paddle unresponsive.
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Quite a lot of issues you are having with your car there. Sorry to hear about the problems though I hope you could get all of these issues fixed soon.

Some of the problems such as shaky steering and unresponsive pedal are mechanical-related which doesn't sound too good.
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post Oct 31 2014, 07:54 AM

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I find the stock tyres on the Preve Turbo (Champiro Bax) to be adequate in terms of performance, grip and braking. Noise levels from the tyres are acceptable as the sound from the engine is louder and overwhelms the sound from the tyres at higher speeds.

Though the Champiro Bax tyres emit a screeching sound when on bends or corners at moderate speeds.
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post Nov 7 2014, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(kenphora @ Nov 7 2014, 01:14 AM)
I've had the car for a month now and here are some of my thoughts (personal opinion of course)

Prior to this, I owned a Gen-2 CPS Hi-Line Manual. In terms of drive feel, no big difference as I expected major improvement in terms of comfort and ride handling wit the new multilink rear suspension VS torsion beam. Comfort and handling feels the same. In CarBase, the Preve came highly recommended but personally, only so so for the price, nothing too great. Since day 1 slight vibration detected, CVT jerking, and the disc judders at high speed braking. I understand that the disc juddering issue and CVT jerk can be fixed though. Even my previous Gen-2 had the front discs replaced after 3 months. Pretty sad that proton still has these problems for their so-called global car. Overall, just an ok car to drive, NVH is good except very annoying loud engine noise and CVT whine from within the cockpit. Interior refinement ain't too great either. I would say this is far from global.

In short, although highly recommended, I would say it's just an ok car, nothing to shout about, but I wouldn't recommend it, except for its price factor.

*Comment above is merely a personal opinion of the writer and not intended to offend anyone  notworthy.gif
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No worries. You don't offend me with your opinion although I am a Preve Turbo owner. It is an unbiased view which I appreciate. As a matter of fact I do agree with what you have said. The car is good at its price range of RM69k+(though I understand the car can be had cheaper now) and trumps the Toyota Vios and Honda City (RM90k+/-) in terms of value and performance.

The main or major gripes of the vehicle, to me, are in the unrefined CVT and the loud engine noise. No other major issues. Thin fabric seats may not be as comfortable as the softer and thicker leather seats of imported models which are higher quality, but can understand the limitations given the low price tag of the car.

I would still recommend the Preve Turbo for fresh graduates and those on a budget, or those who want a relatively powerful car with good handling.

For those who can afford it, there are better cars of course, but they usually are 2 times the price of the Preve Turbo, or more. But when it comes to value, there is no denying that the Preve Turbo delivers.

Of course, for those who can afford a RM110k+ vehicle, I would not recommend the Preve Turbo due to the minus points as mentioned above.

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post Nov 16 2014, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Nov 16 2014, 10:26 AM)
im decided on preve
but the problem lies with my siblings,
they tend to support Nissan because we have long relationship with Nissan.
most of our cars are Nissan Car.
yes i do like the nissan.
we already owned Almera E manual,i already drive around with it,it feel light,

My parent dont mind,as long its value for money,
btw,have you encountered any problematic with the car?
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Not sure if you are looking at the low-spec Preve or the high-spec Preve Turbo.

Almera is good for city drive and more fuel efficient than Preve Turbo but in comparison the Almera is underpowered on some difficult stretches on the roads. The Preve Turbo will be much more powerful than the ALmera. If you are familiar with the stretch along the North South highway from KL to Ipoh, just before the Teluk Pulai exit there is a steep gradient where the speed is limited to 80km/h up the slope. One of our colleague's Almera struggled hard as the 1.5-litre engine seems to be running out of steam when going up the stretch. You will just glide through the stretch with the PReve Turbo.

Nissan's vehicles are rather poor in handling and power, especially the Almera. The Sylphy is much better than Almera but the current "downgraded" 1.8-litre Sylphy may not match the Preve Turbo in power.

However, if you want quiet and refined drive the Almera will be better than the PReve Turbo. The Preve's engine and CVT are indeed a bit noisy.


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post Nov 25 2014, 06:15 PM

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For those who got the free YES wifi device that comes free with the Preve Turbo, do you still get the free line after 1 year? Surprisingly, it is already more than 1 year and still the line of my YES wifi device is still active.

I thought the line of the YES device is only up to 1 year?
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post Nov 25 2014, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(theonlyvin @ Nov 25 2014, 06:19 PM)
Bro, the line still active with RM60 continuously top up to your account?
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Sorry, but I'm not paying for the YES line. It is prepaid right?
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post Nov 25 2014, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(theonlyvin @ Nov 25 2014, 06:23 PM)
Hmmm....yes, it was a prepaid line. But proton will free us credit worth of RM60 every month right? I just want to know did they still continue to provide u the free RM60 after 1 years of usage?

The line will be active within certain period. IE: deactivated after few month inactive account
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Yes, that was what I thought. After 1 year the line will be cut off. But my wifi device is still active after 1 year 3 months. Funny.
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post Nov 25 2014, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 25 2014, 06:35 PM)
This is new to me.  I think I am the "stupid" one here. What YES wifi in Preve Turbo? You mean the one for GPS?

Thanks.
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Nobody is stupid. It's a small piece of wifi device, black in colour from the company "YES", given free to those who bought the Preve Turbo sometime last year.
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post Nov 27 2014, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(fix24311 @ Nov 26 2014, 02:07 PM)
I read around that after one year YES will not credit the Proton anymore but will keep charging you instead if you don't terminate it. It was unscrupulous practice by YES. better you check it out with them. I'm fairly certain you will be billed. But if you don't, then update the finding here smile.gif
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The YES is prepaid. YES can charge or bill me but the bill hasn't come. I'm just waiting for them to terminate the line but up to date they have not terminated it. So it's free internet data usage for me now.


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