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 Proton Prevé V21, Versione ventuno!

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sanadi
post Sep 2 2014, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(Yoooo @ Sep 2 2014, 10:11 PM)
Not fair to 2014 model then....
should come with standard...
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Rather have the 6 airbags than the boot tray. You can buy the boot tray, but you can't add airbags to our 4-airbag Preve.
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post Sep 10 2014, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(terryble @ Sep 10 2014, 09:47 AM)
I am not a big fan of waze...in fact after a few MONTHS playing with it...i totally ignored it as a navigation system~~it simply reroute ...and not consistent~~i prefer Google map~~much more reliable and consistent and now it has updated with traffic info and promtp your with reroute option...

however....then u will ask me.."there u go...u get the answer...y use car gps?"

the reason is that....google map had to rely on the 3G network which is kinda sux in Malaysia and also the AGPS is also affected by bad weather sometimes  (im using umobile)~~certain area i go...does not even has proper line and hence stressed me a hell lot....honestly..i think the Preve's GPS signal is very damn good, fast, responsive and accurate~~the problem is the bloody map~~

well...how often i use GPS? hmm not really a lot but when i wanna use it...it means i REALLY need it and i want it to be reliable....

lastly sinz i get preve..the travel mood is back and i have been traveling around peninsula~~i enjoy the ride with it  thumbup.gif
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Forget about the map. It is from Tom Tom. Even the latest map from Tom Tom is highly inaccurate: http://routes.tomtom.com/#/map/?center=3.0...oom=7&map=basic

Even the 2nd Penang Bridge is not there yet. I'm using the map in 2D North up mode to get an overview of where I am in relation to the roads (i.e. east of MRR2 but west of MEX). I'm using Garmin GPS in 3D mode for my navigation needs.

How come the Preve GPS has good lock on?
1. The antenna is outside the car, thus not affected by tinted and gets very good view of the satellites
2. It has Dead Reckoning feature, which is positional update with out GPS using speed sensors, steering sensors. Similar to INS (Inertial Navigation System)
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post Sep 10 2014, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Sep 10 2014, 02:01 PM)
I think the average FC also depends on the average speed. E.g.

average speed..... average FC

20 ......................  ~12
90 ......................   ~7
110 ....................   ~9

besides variables like start/stop, slowdown, sudden acceleration, etc.

I will try to get my average FC and average speed and see if I can get a graph to illustrate this.

My 2 cents.
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That has been done by Drex Chan, using community data from Preve CFE owners.
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As you can see, 70 - 100 kph average speed is the best for FC. Try to maintain that speed as much as possible. When accelerating to those speeds, accelerate normally. That means simply keeping up with traffic, neither faster nor slower. Just accelerate like everybody else.

Edit - original link to Drex's Facebook posting: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=749...&size=800%2C480

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post Sep 12 2014, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(benny888 @ Sep 12 2014, 08:27 AM)
Had never even bother to try manual mode. Anyway i don't find the steering any heavy as reported. Even my missus feel is  light n better than her previous Cefiro ( first gen 6 cylinder model).
Tried those paddle shifters few times only n never bother with it thereafter. We are just simple casual drivers. My wife don't even know what it is for n she is main driver.
I can see many here are enthusiast drivers exploring it in details. For us is just a car n a mode of transport. It is decently reasonably good car. Too high expectation s from it you get dissapointed.
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Manual mode is useful when going downhill, like from genting. I can maintain ~60 kph just by using the manual mode. No need to press the accelerator or brakes. That seems to be the time when I feel the need for manual mode. I don't need it often, but when I do need it, I'm glad I have it.

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post Sep 23 2014, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Sep 23 2014, 02:19 PM)
Used my GPS for the first time today. Just testing. Destination my house. Find it strange when it said "turn left right". Thought it should be just "turn left". Or it means something else?
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Perhaps what she actually said was "Please, turn left, then, take the next right turn"? I never heard "turn left right".
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post Sep 26 2014, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Sep 26 2014, 11:53 AM)
I pressed the ESC off button but nothing appeared on the display.

Looks like I have 2 issues with this ESC (appeared blinking twice so far and the ESC off symbol does not appear on the display).
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ESC blinking means it is operating. No problem there. Example, I'm climbing the hill at MEX highway, it is raining heavily and there is standing water on the road. I keep pressing the accelerator, the ESC starts blinking. That is because the stability & traction control detects wheel slip and wheel spin, due to reduced tracting.

It reduces engine power & brakes individual wheel to maintain control. As a sign to me it is operating, and warning me I have reached the limit of traction, it blinks the ESC light.
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post Sep 30 2014, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Sep 30 2014, 03:27 PM)
Need help on my ESC problem.

ESC light came on (not blinking) while I was driving quite fast on a curvy road. It stayed on till I stopped the engine. On restarting the car, the ESC light did not come on. This has happened to me twice.

I sent my car to SC for my back car plate problem and also this ESC issue. They say it is faulty if the light stays on restarting the car. Mine disappeared on restarting the car.

Any one with similar incident?

My concern is this, when I need ESC to be active on slippery/curvy road, then this failure light comes up. Not available when one needs it! Catch -22 situation!

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Did they not check the computer what is the error code? Your situation is definitely a fault of the ESC.
There are 2 things that come to mind:
1. Brake switch fault
2. Steering angle sensor fault

I am more inclined to think it is the steering angle sensor. Is your car properly aligned? When you are going straight, the steering wheel is straight, not titled to either side.

I've had ESC light error like you. Mine happens when I'm, taking a left hand curve at >80 kph. It is a gentle curve like this: https://www.google.com.my/maps/@2.942606,101.6398661,16z

What happened was when I was taking that corner, the steering was pointing straight. The car detects that it is going left but the steering sensor says it should be going straight, hence the error. A proper realignment was all that was necessary.

If the problem still persists, the SC needs to recalibrate the steering angle sensor. The SC should be able to do it. I know Puchong SC can. I'm not sure which SC in Sarawak can do it.

Proton needs to audit the competency of their SC all across Malaysia.
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post Oct 1 2014, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(ChuanHong @ Sep 30 2014, 10:59 PM)
u may go youtube find some DVR video sample to see whether the quality acceptable or not.. starting i want buy papago or garmin, seem quality is good.. but wayway got ppl offer me, rm160 for me consider cheap, can give it a try.. but not that good as papago.. i will plan to go for papago or garmin in next month.. then current wayway v270 will put as rear camera DVR.. papago or garmin will use on front view
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There's a reason why branded are a bit more expensive. Most don't use lithium batteries. They use capacitors instead. That means the risk of fire due to heat is low. Lithium batteries tend to expand after some time and they might cause fire if they over heat. Dash cam gets heat up as you park the car under the sun.

Personally I'm using Papago Go Safe 110. Acceptable video & audio. I simply park under the sun. The dash cam is placed behind the rear view mirror so it is not that obvious. I've been using it for more than 1 year and the recording is as good now as it was when new. So it handles heat well.



The dash cam it self:
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post Oct 1 2014, 07:32 AM

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From https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/threads/compl...80p-30fps.3543/

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Pros / cons of capacitor vs battery in dash camera.

Battery based dash cams has been reported having problems working in hot countries, due to battery overheating or even exploding. Many manufacturers advertise having battery in dash cam as positive thing, - you can record videos even without external power source, - yes thats true, but let's think in real life we all have mobile phones these days, so we can use them to record footage outside the car if needed. Most battery based dash camera will record around 20-30 minutes if fully charged and this is when they are new. ( latest Mobius and Innovv can record about 1h +/- ). After some period batteries lose their memory ( capacity ) and you are lucky if you can record few minutes footage. After some period of use batteries in many cases can die, so you end up in situation where your dash camera will not save last video file which is in most accidences is the most important video footage you want to keep as an evidence.

With Capacitor based dash cameras there are almost no worries with overheating issue, no exploding batteries, no risk of last file not saved. The only drawback with capacitor based dash cameras is that you can not record footage without external power.
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post Oct 1 2014, 07:38 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 1 2014, 07:32 AM)
Excellent!

How do you "hide" the wiring? On the dashboard or underneath it?
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On top of the head liner, through to the driver's A-Pillar, down to the foot well and then to the cigarette socket extender under the seat.

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post Oct 1 2014, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(ChuanHong @ Oct 1 2014, 08:28 AM)
can u show some footage of night view of papago gosafe 110??  video cam viewing angle seems not bad.. im purchase wayway v270 viewing angle is good but not zoom in.. need press digital zoom in by my own everytime..
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Night it is not so good. But then again, the only night recording that I like comes from DSLR.




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post Oct 1 2014, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 1 2014, 08:53 AM)
Wah, bagus!

Does yours switch on the camera automatically when you start the engine? Or you need to switch it on manually?

Cheerio.
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On-Off automatically. But when off, there's a 5 second timer. It shuts off 5 seconds after you cut power to the camera (turn off the car).
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post Oct 3 2014, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Oct 3 2014, 06:25 PM)
i tot preve now all variant come with 6 airbags, but my SA told me executive 2 airbags only  rclxub.gif

did i misunderstood this article ?
http://paultan.org/2013/12/02/proton-preve...sc-six-airbags/
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That 2 airbag Preve must be *very old* stock. All Preve manufactured since Nov 2013, whether Premium or Executive, MT & CVT variants, they all have 6 airbags, ESC, ABS, EBD.
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post Oct 27 2014, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(only_lonely1220 @ Oct 27 2014, 01:10 PM)
Mind telling which SC got syn 7000? My last 10k service I go to the apple auto, they say they only have syn5000 0w40, i think no one will choose to use syn5000 if syn7000 is available right?
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You can request from them to buy SYn 700 for you. Perhaps make the request 1 week before you are due for service. I've just switched to Syn 7000 from Syn 5000 0W30. I think for the next service I'd change back to Syn 5000 0W30. 0W30 is thinner, and revs easier. I also rarely rev >4,000 rpm. That's why I think I might change back to 0W30.

But since I've only used Syn 7000 for 300 km, compared to 59,000 km with SYn 5000 0W30, I might change my mind. BTW I don't feel much difference in engine smoothness, quietness and FC between Syn 7000 and Syn 5000 0W30. Only the revving part (due to 0W40 vs 0W30).
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post Oct 27 2014, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(only_lonely1220 @ Oct 27 2014, 02:06 PM)
Thanks for your info, I read some article said that if we pump RON 95 petrol, engine will operate at higher temperature, therefore we might need to use higher viscosity (0w40) to make sure the EO can protect our engine when it is working at high temperature, wonder how true is that.  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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You can only get higher temp from higher compression. Preve is 8.9:1. That is low, and it is designed to be compatible with RON88. Even then it won't affect the requirement for engine oil as it has been designed to use with xW-30 wt oil.
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post Oct 27 2014, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 27 2014, 02:31 PM)
Like many others, I have been asking myself which one should I use for my next service.

My current plan is Synthium 1000. Why? These 2 main considerations:

* my mileage is on the low side, about 30-40 km /day
* my maximum speed is at most 90 kph

With the above 2 attributes, the engine oil temp should not be on the high side. Higher temp will break down the EO. I think the S3000/5000/7000 are more resistance to high temp breakdown than Mach 5 or S800/1000. But with my driving habits, I think S3000/5000/7000 are just too good for me.

So S1000 and maybe S3000 to treat myself once in a blue moon! Ha.

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Syn 5000/7000 are more resistant to temp, yes. It's base stock oil is PAO aka Group IV oil. The most extreme temp comes from driving at high speed, then suddenly met with traffic jam where the traffic moves extremely slowly. In that situation the cooling system is not efficient.
- the only airflow is air being blown by the radiator fan (because the car is not moving fast enough)
- the air "cooling" the radiator are hot air, coming from the exhaust of cars all around you, stuck in the same traffic jam.

This situation happens everyday in KL, so using such expensive oil do have some merit. Even then it is not required or necessary, just for extra protection. In your case where you rarely have traffic jam, the Syntium 800 or 3000 is good enough.

Why not Syntium 1000? The viscosity is 15W50, which is a thick oil. It may lead to high FC or the engine not working optimally. However Proton makes no warning of its use.

Contrast that to my Honda Accord iVTEC . The manual specifically mentions NOT to use engine oil thicker than 5W40 as it may interfere with the operation of the variable valve timing.

NB: @mengsuan is using Syntium 1000, he is in KL and he finds it just fine. So you might want to try it

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post Oct 27 2014, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 27 2014, 06:30 PM)
Noted and thanks.

I thought Preve Turbo has an auto cut in for cooling if the EO temp is too high.

P/S I am using S1000 after my 1000km service.
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What I mean is, cooling is shared between water cooling and oil cooling. In traffic jam situation as I mentioned, water cooling becomes inefficient. Thus the load has to put on to the oil. In such cases you need good oil to handle the stress.
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post Nov 6 2014, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(vikneswaranc_17 @ Nov 6 2014, 10:19 AM)
Totally agreed.. i feel more comfortable tackling corner with a Wira using Bridgestone compared to our car..
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Even World Champion Vettel is no match to his rookie team mate Riciardo when Vettel is on shitty, worn tyres.

Tyres are extremely important. ESC, ABS, EBD... none of them can help much if you are on shitty tyres. Champiro was supposed to be an eco tyre, not performance. You need a set of much better tyres.
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post Nov 17 2014, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 17 2014, 05:38 PM)
Got mine in mid Aug. So far minor ones like loose back car plate, auto left turn signal after making a quick right U turn (slow right U turn will not trigger the left turn signal).

Main one is the ESC (ESC light came on, non blinking indicating some fault with this ESC). SC does not know what to do and asked me to bring the car to them the next time I have the ESC light again.  Thought they can hook up the computer and get the error message!

So far, still happy, 8/10 for my Preve!
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ESC light still not settled? Is the light still ON when you take the corner?
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post Nov 22 2014, 02:37 PM

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Hook for holding the boot tray. The boot tray only came with pre-ANCAP Preve. ANCAP Preve with 6 air bags don't come with it.
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