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post Jul 4 2014, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jul 4 2014, 07:33 PM)
Dey propose type 10 mbt
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woah surprise to know Israel produce their own tank. I thought their economic of scale doesn't allow them to do that. Interesting. Like that we can also produce our own tank kan?
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post Jul 5 2014, 02:18 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 02:01 AM)
with out a doubt
one of the best tank in the world!  smile.gif
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I realize our main battle tanks were from Poland , how come ATM decided to purchase PT-91 Twardy? hmm.gif
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post Jul 5 2014, 02:27 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 02:22 AM)
there are many reason although me personally of them prefer the T90
the economic offset and barter is one of the main selling point
since I know one of the person that involved with the procurement so according to him, the PT91 that give the best offer at that time
but since this is a pioneer regiment, the pt91 is a good platform to start
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jul 5 2014, 02:24 AM)
Most convenient deal, can pay in palm oil
The only other tanks in selection is T-90, T-84 and K1
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Hmm, if compares T90 and PT91 togethwer with Merkava of Israel and M1 Abrams. Are we on the same league?

What i am asking is , are we able to fight head-on with them? Or Israel and US main battle tank basically much stronger and has more advantages over the Russian and Poland? hmm.gif
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post Jul 5 2014, 02:36 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 02:34 AM)
since there is no real engagement so it is very hard to say
there is no battle that involved a modern new generation T-72 chassis in a long time -
the Assad Ababil tank regiment is not the same league with the PT91 - yes they are based on the same chassis, but even the most basic material compound of the metal is different

Merkava have been in a real battle for a long time, each time the tank goes into battle all the tank will be analyze inch to inch

I remember seeing the picture of merkava turned turtle and according to the report the tank was shot by the kornet
that why we can see how tank defense get a huge leap since the 2006 war

head on?
in our turf? since me a little bias so yes we have slight advantage since our doctrine of tank is to defend key points area and fast and agile movement in the battle field
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I see. That's mean Russian and Poland tank are not battle proven. hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Jul 5 2014, 02:48 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jul 5 2014, 02:37 AM)
It's all about the doctrine bro, nowadays tank vs tank is very2 unlikely or even near unrealistic
Even warfare expert is envisioning the obsolete of tanks usage in armored thrust as they can be bogged down with just a few ATGM teams
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Doctrine is like a set of plan right? Fascinating.

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 02:45 AM)
nope I dont think the Polish have ever been in combat, T90 only been into war once iinm in early 2000 kot
but on paper T90 is very superior weii!

T90 can fly and shoot, no need to buy attack chopper no more
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But then if it is combat proven, it did be deadly haha. So far what is the Malaysian plan for ATM? Since SG just acquired 50 Israeli's tanks? smile.gif
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post Jul 5 2014, 02:58 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 02:53 AM)
Yep,
Plan for ATM?
brb writing proposal to Najib  laugh.gif

like I said in the previous post
stock up ATGM, a good spam of ATGM is the best way to defeat a tank esp when the tank is lured away

during the bosnian war, many of the serbian tank were disabled and tank crew were captured or killed by a only group of 6 - 8 foot soldier
they lured the tank away, and spam anti tank like there is no tomorrow, and during the havoc, 1 or 2 of them climb onto the tank and open up the hatch before drop in a grenade!
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Eh interesting.. i didn't know that. Thanks for telling me haha.

SO the proposal shall be stocking up ATGM eh? Well, is there a plan for battle chopper? hmm.gif hmm.gif Last time you guys mentioned about the need of such choppers. Especially for LD operation
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post Jul 5 2014, 03:19 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 03:06 AM)
yep, and of couse attack chopper too
attack chopper is a one of the main weakness of the tank
apache is made for that purpose in mind.

my vote for zulu cobra  tongue.gif
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haha Isn't it Apache more deadly? Although the cost can be expensive.
QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jul 5 2014, 03:06 AM)
No use using attack helis if the enemy got the upper hand in air power

Prolly the ATM's next move is to acquire top-attack profile ATGM, or heavyweight class ATGM, or even laser-designated artillery munitions
It's a neverending game of cat and mouse
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Eh interesting, both of you have different opinion. It seem like SG got better air superiority as compares to our TUDM. ATGM only effectively to counter tank, aren't we suppose to acquire those equipment that can help us on our current situation which is to secure the coast of Sabah? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 03:21 AM)
the radar longbow is now can be fitted to the cobra
and cobra also can carry the same missile as the apache!
soo why pay more
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Oh that make sense. notworthy.gif

QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jul 5 2014, 03:29 AM)
Different pipul, different opinion

Attack heli is only advantageous against lower tech enemies, in this case is perfect for those suluk but not so much against SAF

It's all about the cost and budget, sure ATGM can also be used for soft skinned targets (humans, cars, sampans) but it's also darn expensive
What we need for sabah is more naval and marine asset, which the gomen is not so keen to provide, again cost and budget..
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i see. If the GOV are not so keen to provide those asset, i think attack chopper shall be propose, at least can be use to aid those navy in guarding the coast. Because i can see that our bigger threat is from Sulu and not SG.

QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Jul 5 2014, 03:35 AM)
mass anti-tank infantry duh

SGD 50 million target practice. brows.gif  brows.gif

I have never seen tanks cost effectively killing anything lol.

their job is to just roll and die to guided missiles/choppers/bombardments,
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Regarding to the role of battle tank, i think military experts shall be able to answer better. wink.gif
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jul 5 2014, 08:44 AM)
and why should we care?

we got some silly pinoy pirate to take care off then our rich island little brother
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This, i concur !

QUOTE(Band-Pass filter @ Jul 5 2014, 08:46 AM)
our tank still so old school from WW2 design.. LEL
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our poland tank actually pretty modern wink.gif
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What you guys think about this?


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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 5 2014, 03:15 PM)
woah, we got our first volunteer
a black covered van will come pick you up in a moment  smile.gif
macam rupa Metis M je
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After watching the Merkava documentary, i found that they failed terribly during the Lebanese war in 2006 i think. They even now they not sure what is the role of Merkava. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Zarazagoza @ Jul 5 2014, 05:34 PM)
i tot the main reason they designed merkava is for the survival of their most important asset, experienced crew.
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Well, the Anti Tank Missile still penetrated it.

Their problem is Tanks are not suitable against guerrilla units and those roads in Lebanon were too narrow, so the tank do not has much maneuverability and eventually become a sitting duck.

Right now their training involves less Battle Tank dependent. Those tanks only useful when against other tanks and on a vast land.

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