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post Aug 15 2006, 10:29 AM, updated 20y ago

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hey, do we need in increase sets and reps before we put more weight to lift?
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post Aug 15 2006, 03:31 PM

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it depends, for fat burning or lean look muscle...u need to do more rep,
but for muscle gainning, you need to do less rep but with more weight.
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post Aug 15 2006, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(PowerHouse @ Aug 15 2006, 03:31 PM)
it depends, for fat burning or lean look muscle...u need to do more rep,
but for muscle gainning, you need to do less rep but with more weight.
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No such thing. The concept of low reps, heavy weight for size and high reps, light weight for toning/losing weight is wrong. It's a myth. It depends on individual muscle fiber composition. Losing fat = diet. Gaining size, whether it's high or low reps, as long as there is poundage progression, results will show in terms of muscular growth.
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post Aug 15 2006, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Aug 15 2006, 03:52 PM)
No such thing. The concept of low reps, heavy weight for size and high reps, light weight for toning/losing weight is wrong. It's a myth. It depends on individual muscle fiber composition. Losing fat = diet. Gaining size, whether it's high or low reps, as long as there is poundage progression, results will show in terms of muscular growth.
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Totally agree. Wondering do ppl surf the www.bodybuilding.com ??
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post Aug 15 2006, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Aug 15 2006, 03:52 PM)
No such thing. The concept of low reps, heavy weight for size and high reps, light weight for toning/losing weight is wrong. It's a myth. It depends on individual muscle fiber composition. Losing fat = diet. Gaining size, whether it's high or low reps, as long as there is poundage progression, results will show in terms of muscular growth.
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QUOTE(darius30 @ Aug 15 2006, 04:05 PM)
Totally agree. Wondering do ppl surf the www.bodybuilding.com ??
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lol.. you guys know theory better than me.. respect. i'm just trying to explain through my own experience here. if you guys ever join competition, you might get what i mean.
www.bodybuilding.com, as for me, i do read it and it gives you tons of information in which u have to experience first, then you know wether it is suitable for asia size people. reading only is not enuf. experiences does matter

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QUOTE(PowerHouse @ Aug 15 2006, 04:12 PM)
lol.. you guys know theory better than me.. respect. i'm just trying to explain through my own experience here. if you guys ever join competition, you might get what i mean.
www.bodybuilding.com, as for me, i do read it and it gives you tons of information in which u have to experience first, then you know wether it is suitable for asia size people. reading only is not enuf. experiences does matter
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saw ur photo, ur lats r terrifying shocking.gif

every individual is different (The Law of Individual Differences), as darklight79 said it depends on muscle fiber composition. for me, although i aim for toning up, i prefer lower reps (8 reps) bcoz i can achieve progress faster (maybe i have high composition of Type-II fiber).

however, it is still common belief that high rep good for toning up. maybe fiber type I has better definition?

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post Aug 15 2006, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(T+1 @ Aug 15 2006, 10:16 PM)
saw ur photo, ur lats r terrifying  shocking.gif

every individual is different (The Law of Individual Differences), as darklight79 said it depends on muscle fiber composition. for me, although i aim for toning up, i prefer lower reps (8 reps) bcoz i can achieve progress faster (maybe i have high composition of Type-II fiber).

however, it is still common belief that high rep good for toning up. maybe fiber type I has better definition?
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maybe different person has different type of routine that suit them... that pict was taken last year at college gym.
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post Aug 15 2006, 11:23 PM


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QUOTE(PowerHouse @ Aug 15 2006, 04:12 PM)
lol.. you guys know theory better than me.. respect. i'm just trying to explain through my own experience here. if you guys ever join competition, you might get what i mean.
www.bodybuilding.com, as for me, i do read it and it gives you tons of information in which u have to experience first, then you know wether it is suitable for asia size people. reading only is not enuf. experiences does matter
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agreed with you most of the things. smile.gif

Just try to give yourself a try and error then you will know what is what for you.
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post Aug 15 2006, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Aug 15 2006, 03:52 PM)
No such thing. The concept of low reps, heavy weight for size and high reps, light weight for toning/losing weight is wrong. It's a myth. It depends on individual muscle fiber composition. Losing fat = diet. Gaining size, whether it's high or low reps, as long as there is poundage progression, results will show in terms of muscular growth.
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the word toning in itself is a fallacy. everyone in the gym believes that high reps will bring out their "cutting" even though they are covered in layers of fat or they are so skinny there is hardly any muscle for them to "tone".
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post Aug 16 2006, 02:58 PM

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it's hard to say what's right and what's wrong. I've a friend that said "Low reps, heavy weights"
I've another friend that swears by "High reps, almost as heavy weights"

try both ways, for 6 weeks perhaps. See your results.
For me, high reps, almost heavy weights works, well.

Btw, I'm not really those mass builder boys. i'm more of a "Hit harder and run faster" than you boys.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Aug 16 2006, 02:58 PM)
it's hard to say what's right and what's wrong. I've a friend that said "Low reps, heavy weights"
I've another friend that swears by "High reps, almost as heavy weights"

try both ways, for 6 weeks perhaps. See your results.
For me, high reps, almost heavy weights works, well.

Btw, I'm not really those mass builder boys. i'm more of a "Hit harder and run faster" than you boys.
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u r right, high rep but more weight brings more lean muslce but not that mass. but low rep with heavy weight gives u more mass, muscle gainning. flex.gif
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post Aug 16 2006, 05:43 PM

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because of your lats, i believe whatever you say.
you've GOT to teach me how you got that man. i cannot imagine the amount of work, food and dedication went into those amazing lats.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Aug 16 2006, 05:43 PM)
because of your lats, i believe whatever you say.
you've GOT to teach me how you got that man. i cannot imagine the amount of work, food and dedication went into those amazing lats.
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ha.ha.. people use to call me mr.back. don't get me wrong, i'm not showing off, just glad with what i have. peace. there are back routine and "the way to do it". lol. but most people claim that it is hard to follow. we go to the gym together then. i show u . flex.gif

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QUOTE(PowerHouse @ Aug 16 2006, 05:53 PM)
ha.ha.. people use to call me mr.back. don't get me wrong, i'm not showing off, just glad with what i have. peace.  there are back routine and "the way to do it". lol. but most people claim that it is hard to follow. we go to the gym together then. i show u .  flex.gif
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hi, mr back, pls post ur back routine here lah. so that everyone can benefit from ur back routine. pls...

my lats r lagging behind other body parts sad.gif may be due to incorrect form in pull-ups & pull-down.
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post Aug 16 2006, 11:01 PM

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hmm.. i normally do pull-ups. i forgot the name. before i'm doing my chest on monday, i do pull-ups 12~15 rep X4 set just for warming up. but close grip. both hand close, no gap.

my back routine,
chin-up (but not too wide, i make sure my elbow infornt of my face, lol hard to explain.) 12~15 X 5set

pull-down front wide grip. 12X4
pull-down behind neck wide grip 12X4
seated low pulley 12X4
back flies 10X4

thats all, i do it slowly. thanks for asking. T+1

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QUOTE(PowerHouse @ Aug 16 2006, 11:01 PM)
hmm.. i normally do pull-ups. i forgot the name. before i'm doing my chest on monday, i do pull-ups 12~15 rep X4 set just for warming up. but close grip. both hand close, no gap.

my back routine,
chin-up (but not too wide, i make sure my elbow infornt of my face, lol hard to explain.) 12~15 X 5set

pull-down front wide grip. 12X4
pull-down behind neck wide grip 12X4
seated low pulley 12X4
back flies 10X4

thats all, i do it slowly. thanks for asking. T+1
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wow, u can do so many pull-ups & chin-up. no wonder u have such amazing lats.

so far, i only can do pull-ups 10, 9, 7, 6 reps tongue.gif
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QUOTE(PowerHouse @ Aug 16 2006, 11:01 PM)
hmm.. i normally do pull-ups. i forgot the name. before i'm doing my chest on monday, i do pull-ups 12~15 rep X4 set just for warming up. but close grip. both hand close, no gap.

my back routine,
chin-up (but not too wide, i make sure my elbow infornt of my face, lol hard to explain.) 12~15 X 5set

pull-down front wide grip. 12X4
pull-down behind neck wide grip 12X4
seated low pulley 12X4
back flies 10X4

thats all, i do it slowly. thanks for asking. T+1
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shocking.gif pull-ups 12~15 reps for 4 sets!?!? Can stop in between? I hardly can reach 8 reps. sad.gif
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post Aug 16 2006, 11:20 PM

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if u can't then, build ur bisep. make it stronger. by pull up close.no gap like i do on monday routine.
lol no gap means, my hands close to each other. i rest not more than 3 min in between. chin-up is damn hard at first. but brings good result.

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post Aug 16 2006, 11:23 PM

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sorry double post

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post Aug 17 2006, 12:13 AM

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now i think powerhouse, you need to cut a lil eh?

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