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Hot Stuff Proton GSC with butt picture
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Jun 16 2014, 12:18 PM
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looks nice but it's a proton...so..
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Jun 16 2014, 12:29 PM
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Looks good....Campro 1.3?? With turbo??
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Jun 16 2014, 12:29 PM
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lampu belakang keciknya, but front look nice.
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Jun 16 2014, 12:30 PM
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ni kalau slap skirting mesti gooding yaw
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Jun 16 2014, 12:32 PM
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front looks like old fiesta..back look like myvi
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Jun 16 2014, 12:38 PM
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fast ah?
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Jun 16 2014, 12:41 PM
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looks like myvi with proton badge.
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Jun 16 2014, 12:51 PM
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so ford feel~
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Jun 16 2014, 01:21 PM
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Is that a smart entry button I spy?
Sorta has the Rio/Mazda feel to the front. But the rear... C'mon. Myvi meets Exora? This post has been edited by Music Mania: Jun 16 2014, 01:23 PM |
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Similiar bonnet, headlamps and lower grille
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Jun 16 2014, 01:40 PM
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More like Myvi crossover
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Jun 16 2014, 01:41 PM
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To be real honest, quite a good looking car considering how bad Proton has fared in their recent offerings
For the rear look, would be better if Proton increase the size of rear diffuser and move the number plate at diffuser area. |
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Jun 16 2014, 01:45 PM
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I likes that headlight...nice
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Jun 16 2014, 02:48 PM
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Whats the name of this car?
Proton Mawi? Bandar(City!)? Savvy 2.0? PinkKuda??? |
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Jun 16 2014, 03:02 PM
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Proton and their rear ends, always
Saga FL/FLX, Preve, Suprima. Last time? Waja FL lights |
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Jun 16 2014, 03:15 PM
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since someone already post about this leaked gsc car...
i want to share about this car since i attend a car market survey last month... other than this car, the researcher also use swift, jazz, viva, myvi 1.5, brio and also brio amaze as a benchmark unit... all car logo and badge is fully covered all the logo and badge... btw, all candidates just need to give opinion based on looks and experience only... not the engine because they didn't allow us to check the engine.. actually this car is quite good and well equipped... - projector headlamp with separate DRL - dashboard -> hard plastic with faux leather stitches (like new vios)... - sun visor -> you can pull extra cover at the side - door trim with leather finishing - push start button with keyless entry - VSC - leather seat - the bonnet space is quite big... larger than swift 1.4 model and many more to list down but i can't remember but this is only preview unit and maybe they will do some changes before launch date... |
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Jun 16 2014, 04:35 PM
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Proton's weakest point is the engine. Specs wise, they are doing it correctly. We need a fuel efficient engine from Proton.
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QUOTE(xeroxphan @ Jun 16 2014, 04:35 PM) Proton's weakest point is the engine. Specs wise, they are doing it correctly. We need a fuel efficient engine from Proton. With limited resources, they doing everything they can for GSC to be at least in similar range of B segment city car.They had to deal with 1.6NFE because that is the only viable option. I do hope they manage to shed some weight by using EPS instead of hydraulic, and that will improve FC. And also the tuning of CVT2 (perhaps CVT2+) will improve FC as well. Other than that, the FC is will not be amazing because the engine is still campro with VVT technology. |
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QUOTE(xeroxphan @ Jun 16 2014, 04:35 PM) Proton's weakest point is the engine. Specs wise, they are doing it correctly. We need a fuel efficient engine from Proton. Not gonna happen. They will need Rm 1 billion to build Campro 2.0. Building engines is freakingly expensive...thats why sometime s major car makers collaborate ob the same new engine platform...too expensive for 1 maker to bear the cost. And Proton is just a small fry by global market size. Last time rumour jv with Petronas for engine... Aiya..just buy from Honda or Toyota lah...I am sure they will gladly sell their last gen engine. ..which is probably still more fuel effixient than a Campro. This post has been edited by Matrix: Jun 16 2014, 08:51 PM |
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QUOTE(one81 @ Jun 16 2014, 04:08 PM) since someone already post about this leaked gsc car... i want to share about this car since i attend a car market survey last month... other than this car, the researcher also use swift, jazz, viva, myvi 1.5, brio and also brio amaze as a benchmark unit... all car logo and badge is fully covered all the logo and badge... btw, all candidates just need to give opinion based on looks and experience only... not the engine because they didn't allow us to check the engine.. actually this car is quite good and well equipped... - projector headlamp with separate DRL - dashboard -> hard plastic with faux leather stitches (like new vios)... - sun visor -> you can pull extra cover at the side - door trim with leather finishing - push start button with keyless entry - VSC - leather seat - the bonnet space is quite big... larger than swift 1.4 model and many more to list down but i can't remember but this is only preview unit and maybe they will do some changes before launch date... https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3259528 |
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Jun 16 2014, 05:53 PM
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newmaster maybe you can copy and paste my earlier comment
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Jun 16 2014, 05:59 PM
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Front looks great, but the rear....
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From the briefing in Proton dealer convention few weeks ago. There will be a total of 5 variants.
baseline manual/auto midline manual/auto highline auto |
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Jun 16 2014, 06:59 PM
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Looks like Maimee from rear so ugly behind. Rear light looks like stole from i10, front looks like Ford Fiesta + Maimee grill (but looks chrome so better than plastic with dimples on Maimees), Headlight like abit of Cerato + with Audi twist.
Overall looking like Maimee so no go for me. |
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QUOTE(JBSwagger @ Jun 16 2014, 06:59 PM) Looks like Maimee from rear so ugly behind. Rear light looks like stole from i10, front looks like Ford Fiesta + Maimee grill (but looks chrome so better than plastic with dimples on Maimees), Headlight like abit of Cerato + with Audi twist. The back is highly influenced on Lotus city car. Overall looking like Maimee so no go for me. ![]() |
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QUOTE(Music Mania @ Jun 16 2014, 01:21 PM) Is that a smart entry button I spy? Why better than my Suprima Sorta has the Rio/Mazda feel to the front. But the rear... C'mon. Myvi meets Exora? QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jun 16 2014, 03:02 PM) QUOTE(one81 @ Jun 16 2014, 04:08 PM) since someone already post about this leaked gsc car... Suprima missing few of these thingsi want to share about this car since i attend a car market survey last month... other than this car, the researcher also use swift, jazz, viva, myvi 1.5, brio and also brio amaze as a benchmark unit... all car logo and badge is fully covered all the logo and badge... btw, all candidates just need to give opinion based on looks and experience only... not the engine because they didn't allow us to check the engine.. actually this car is quite good and well equipped... - projector headlamp with separate DRL - dashboard -> hard plastic with faux leather stitches (like new vios)... - sun visor -> you can pull extra cover at the side - door trim with leather finishing - push start button with keyless entry - VSC - leather seat - the bonnet space is quite big... larger than swift 1.4 model and many more to list down but i can't remember but this is only preview unit and maybe they will do some changes before launch date... QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jun 16 2014, 04:44 PM) With limited resources, they doing everything they can for GSC to be at least in similar range of B segment city car. 1.6 CFE SS engine going to be placed in the car? If yes, then bring it on. Will be faster than the SS They had to deal with 1.6NFE because that is the only viable option. I do hope they manage to shed some weight by using EPS instead of hydraulic, and that will improve FC. And also the tuning of CVT2 (perhaps CVT2+) will improve FC as well. Other than that, the FC is will not be amazing because the engine is still campro with VVT technology. QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jun 16 2014, 07:02 PM) Actually the production model looks better than this one. IMHO.Which platform is this car based on? This post has been edited by mystvearn: Jun 16 2014, 07:21 PM |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jun 16 2014, 07:02 PM) No go, Lotus does it better and Lotus is owned by Proton I know but this one is more to Maimee by that fat ass bumper, spoiler and with some Passo twist to it also at the rear bonnet door on GSCThis post has been edited by JBSwagger: Jun 16 2014, 07:21 PM |
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Proton Meibi
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Look like myvi rebadge
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Important question is....can go up the thean hou temple uphill slope ah?
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Come on lah guys, be rational, just because it's a Proton doesn't mean it's all bad.
Look at that design, if it's a Honda / Toyota logo on it you'll all say "oh damn good". Give the engineers / people who worked on it some credit. Imagine a good product that you put in a lot of effort and people hate it because they hate your boss, you don't like either right? No I'm not a fan of any brand and I won't even consider buying this car, I'm just a little tired of hypocrites I saw here. And yes I agree Proton has bad QC but their exterior design is not bad. |
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I think will be sharing same engine and gearbox as saga flx gua.
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I believe they may just put the 1.3/1.6 Campro only. The CFE ain't gonna end up in there as it will just cannibalize the Preve/Suprima, which, isn't selling much to begin with.
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QUOTE(dtna7 @ Jun 16 2014, 09:19 PM) I believe they may just put the 1.3/1.6 Campro only. The CFE ain't gonna end up in there as it will just cannibalize the Preve/Suprima, which, isn't selling much to begin with. No lar...different segment mah...family man will not want small car. This is maybe 2nd car or for woman or for Ahbeng wants to vroom vroom.So Iriz Ah Beng Edition use Campro 1.6 CFE. Proton can winrar and destroy P2 Maiwi Ahbeng. Campaign slogan : "Move over, Maiwi!!! There's a new Ah Beng in town!" Gosh, i think it might just work!!! |
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QUOTE(one81 @ Jun 16 2014, 04:08 PM) since someone already post about this leaked gsc car... Similar to Preve/Suprima S push start button? Where you need to insert the key into a slot. i want to share about this car since i attend a car market survey last month... other than this car, the researcher also use swift, jazz, viva, myvi 1.5, brio and also brio amaze as a benchmark unit... all car logo and badge is fully covered all the logo and badge... btw, all candidates just need to give opinion based on looks and experience only... not the engine because they didn't allow us to check the engine.. actually this car is quite good and well equipped... - projector headlamp with separate DRL - dashboard -> hard plastic with faux leather stitches (like new vios)... - sun visor -> you can pull extra cover at the side - door trim with leather finishing - push start button with keyless entry - VSC - leather seat - the bonnet space is quite big... larger than swift 1.4 model and many more to list down but i can't remember but this is only preview unit and maybe they will do some changes before launch date... QUOTE(mystvearn @ Jun 16 2014, 07:20 PM) IMO, the Suprima's rear light is pretty well designed. This one looks too similar to Myvi. |
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QUOTE(Alan @ Jun 16 2014, 08:44 PM) QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jun 16 2014, 08:46 PM) QUOTE(dtna7 @ Jun 16 2014, 09:19 PM) I believe they may just put the 1.3/1.6 Campro only. The CFE ain't gonna end up in there as it will just cannibalize the Preve/Suprima, which, isn't selling much to begin with. Rumours already strong imply that it will be using the NA variant of the CFE, called the NFE. Same Campro block, but different from IAFM... this time with VVT and probably some different internals as well. |
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QUOTE(xeroxphan @ Jun 16 2014, 04:35 PM) Proton's weakest point is the engine. Specs wise, they are doing it correctly. We need a fuel efficient engine from Proton. +1I think the overall car weigh does increase the FC for the car. Preve is about 60-100kgs more then those in C segment. Maybe at least CVVT + Alu engine block. CVT gear box should be good. |
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wow the rear looked like robot face, got two cute tanduk sumore haha.
naaiiss..very naaiiss...now we talking. any prediction about the price? it looks 50 - 60k+ to me. or this 1 was Tun M mention about the 120k car? oh no.. |
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What happened to the petronas engines or something like that? Global car needs a proper engine to succeed la.
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QUOTE(JBSwagger @ Jun 16 2014, 07:20 PM) No go, Lotus does it better and Lotus is owned by Proton I know but this one is more to Maimee by that fat ass bumper, spoiler and with some Passo twist to it also at the rear bonnet door on GSC Looks quite nice, despite the huuuuge fake diffuser. However that might the highest bootlid I have ever seen on a car (ok, those Corvettes where you lift the glass window are even higher...). Very, VERY unpractical.I think the GSC looks quite decent. I still prefer the Preve... maybe that was designed with too much Europeans in mind? Cause I think it looks rather attractive, and I've asked a few friends and they agree, the Preve is quite nice. Anyway, I'd expect a 40-50k price tag. Any more than that and they can forget it, no matter how good it is. Hopefully the safety equipment is still there, even on the lowest specs. In turn you can drop the alloy rims, bodykit, radio, ... call it the customize it yourself edition. The buyer can invest what he has saved in visual items (nothing that sacrifices performance, safety etc.) in the lowest spec in the alloy rims he REALLY likes, the bodykit he really likes, etc. I'm not so happy with the choice of engine as well. Maybe they can also offer it with the Renault TCe 90? At least overseas that would make sense, cause mechanics will be more familiar with that than with a Campro, CFE, NFE, ... in Malaysia of course they would have to really train Proton mechanics well, so that it won't be another Savvy disaster. (Reminds me of the Citroen SM. Great car, with a Maserati engine. Unfortunately Citroen mechanics back in the day were only used to rather ordinary Citroen engines, and not these works of art from Maserati, which require a skilled and experienced mechanic. That ruined many engines and, ultimately, meant the end for the SM). This post has been edited by kadajawi: Jun 16 2014, 11:07 PM |
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price like viva or not?
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QUOTE(TOROBO @ Jun 16 2014, 11:52 PM) Highest spec Viva? This is a proper car, not some old outdated dangerous milo tin with engine.Btw. did anyone notice? That car is being prepared for a crash test. Seems like one that will be published. I'm curious to see how it will turn out, though I'm more interested in the ANCAP/Euro NCAP result, not the nonsense ASEAN NCAP that Perodua, Toyota or Honda have paid for to make their cars look less bad than they actually are. |
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QUOTE(FreakyFreak22 @ Jun 16 2014, 08:42 PM) Come on lah guys, be rational, just because it's a Proton doesn't mean it's all bad. Not bad is not enough to survive in the industry. You have to be standing out. Look at the likes of Kia.Look at that design, if it's a Honda / Toyota logo on it you'll all say "oh damn good". Give the engineers / people who worked on it some credit. Imagine a good product that you put in a lot of effort and people hate it because they hate your boss, you don't like either right? No I'm not a fan of any brand and I won't even consider buying this car, I'm just a little tired of hypocrites I saw here. And yes I agree Proton has bad QC but their exterior design is not bad. |
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somebody mentioned that this leak pictures taken from miros pc3 lab,maybe for aseancap.
but is it normally aseancap take the baseline offering as crash test result? |
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Jun 17 2014, 01:29 AM) somebody mentioned that this leak pictures taken from miros pc3 lab,maybe for aseancap. Not sure if it is normal, but it should be the case, so that even the lowest specs are as safe as possible. Let's hope Proton didn't downgrade the base spec...but is it normally aseancap take the baseline offering as crash test result? |
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Jun 17 2014, 01:29 AM) somebody mentioned that this leak pictures taken from miros pc3 lab,maybe for aseancap. but is it normally aseancap take the baseline offering as crash test result? QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 17 2014, 01:40 AM) Not sure if it is normal, but it should be the case, so that even the lowest specs are as safe as possible. Let's hope Proton didn't downgrade the base spec... If that is true, it's possible that all safety features are available on all variants. The model pictured does seem to have keyless entry and DRL present. I doubt it's a baseline model. |
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QUOTE(Music Mania @ Jun 17 2014, 02:56 AM) If that is true, it's possible that all safety features are available on all variants. The model pictured does seem to have keyless entry and DRL present. I doubt it's a baseline model. Are there more photos? Cause the 3 posted in the first post don't give me any clue about those features. The DRL in the bumper may be just plastic covers... The front bumper does look a bit "too much" for a baseline model though. (Also I'd prefer the car without the gaping mouth. Make it a bit softer). |
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Oh. http://eforum1.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=v...read&tid=810528
More photos. But I doubt the photos are of the same car... the dashboard and badges are covered in the interior shots, while the exterior is completely undisguised? And the interior shots show the car outside in the rain, at night, while the exterior ones were shot indoor... This post has been edited by kadajawi: Jun 17 2014, 04:08 AM |
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 17 2014, 03:48 AM) Oh. http://eforum1.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=v...read&tid=810528 The interior picture were taken from international automotive photographers, the pictures were taken for Paultan. The one with Funstaticko watermark were internal picture leaked by someone internally. Allegedly it is the new Proton GSC.More photos. But I doubt the photos are of the same car... the dashboard and badges are covered in the interior shots, while the exterior is completely undisguised? And the interior shots show the car outside in the rain, at night, while the exterior ones were shot indoor... |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jun 17 2014, 06:28 AM) The interior picture were taken from international automotive photographers, the pictures were taken for Paultan. The one with Funstaticko watermark were internal picture leaked by someone internally. Allegedly it is the new Proton GSC. Ok at least is another choice, but I would go for picanto Leh, rear tall light damn nicer wow |
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In your experience should I take new picanto or new proton GSC? This post has been edited by kimsim: Jun 17 2014, 06:54 AM |
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cam fiesta je.....
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 17 2014, 06:47 AM) Yes, the Picanto is a very good looking small car....sad my wife don't want....I think it looks better than the GSC (Golden Screen Cinema??? hahahahah). But the GSC looks bigger definitely. I think in Malaysia, everyone kiasu...all wants the biggest car they can buy.....then complain about FC. Hahaha. Seriously, small expensive cars simply cannot sell in Malaysia. This post has been edited by Matrix: Jun 17 2014, 07:27 AM |
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isnt this supposed to be myvi sized? but the first pic with the guy beside it, the car looked huge like alza... looks nice especially the front.
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Jun 17 2014, 07:32 AM
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the rear reminds me of the older fiat punto
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QUOTE(bananadriver @ Jun 17 2014, 07:30 AM) isnt this supposed to be myvi sized? but the first pic with the guy beside it, the car looked huge like alza... looks nice especially the front. Yes...looks kinda Alza sized, not Savvy sized...either this or that guy is a Hobbit (just to make the car looks bigger). |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 17 2014, 07:25 AM) Yes, the Picanto is a very good looking small car....sad my wife don't want.... Proton changed the internal name for the car from GSC to GCC (Global Compact Car).I think it looks better than the GSC (Golden Screen Cinema??? hahahahah). But the GSC looks bigger definitely. I think in Malaysia, everyone kiasu...all wants the biggest car they can buy.....then complain about FC. Hahaha. Seriously, small expensive cars simply cannot sell in Malaysia. |
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Latest rumour i heard, it might be using Campro 1.3 Turbo (they dropped the CFE term already on SS remember?), so it will be less superior than Preve / SS but better than Saga FLX / Persona. But who knows? the 1.6 turbo could be offered on highline spec as well.
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 17 2014, 07:25 AM) No way. See Polo.To strike gold pot for this car, just need 1.3 turbo and MyVi priced (somewhere between 1.5SE and 1.5useless-xtreme) with having manual and auto on the highest spec + leather seats + drooling safety stuff. |
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I'm not sure putting in 1.3 CFE a wise move.... In case the kerb weight is ~1 tonne, the engine should be 1.0 turbo or just 1.3 NA direct/multi-point injection with high compression ratio, to be economical. It makes no sense having a compact car which is fuel consuming...
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jun 17 2014, 09:31 AM) No way. See Polo. Whats the sales figure? I don't think it's that high.To strike gold pot for this car, just need 1.3 turbo and MyVi priced (somewhere between 1.5SE and 1.5useless-xtreme) with having manual and auto on the highest spec + leather seats + drooling safety stuff. |
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Jun 17 2014, 09:36 AM
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Woi lawa woi!!
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May i know where u get those photo?
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QUOTE(Alan @ Jun 17 2014, 09:35 AM) I'm not sure putting in 1.3 CFE a wise move.... In case the kerb weight is ~1 tonne, the engine should be 1.0 turbo or just 1.3 NA direct/multi-point injection with high compression ratio, to be economical. It makes no sense having a compact car which is fuel consuming... Since when Proton car is fuel efficient?(Except for Savvy, which has Renault Inside ) Asalkan ada vroom-vroom....heheSeriously, Proton only have 1.3 or 1.6 Campro. Its going to be either one of these, but 1.3 Turbo might be possible in the future if they modify the 1.3 Campro. This post has been edited by Matrix: Jun 17 2014, 09:38 AM |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 17 2014, 09:37 AM) Since when Proton car is fuel efficient?(Except for Savvy, which has Renault Inside ) Asalkan ada vroom-vroom....hehe NFE is the last variation of campro. That is what i heard. But if they want to continue the development of direct injection on campro, then you'll see another 10 years of campro. Seriously, Proton only have 1.3 or 1.6 Campro. Its going to be either one of these, but 1.3 Turbo might be possible in the future if they modify the 1.3 Campro. Direct injection was planned on the pheonix project (1.6 CFE) along side with VVT and turbo. It was scrapped due to cost, and the engine might not be possible to be use in targeted market due to fuel quality. The next engine is either Petronas NE01. Or Proton own small turbocharged engine (if the project still running). |
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Very nice looking car. Tahniah for the Proton designer team.
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1.3 turbo with 180nm of torque possible?
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Ts why u selowpoke post myvi?
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Got push start button wooo
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Myvi and Ford Fiesta had a baby.
SO MUCH FOR WAITING FOR THE NEW POTONG CAR THE DESIGN...disappoints me a lot. |
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The ass is so ugly.... The front looks awesomely good
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jun 17 2014, 09:46 AM) NFE is the last variation of campro. That is what i heard. But if they want to continue the development of direct injection on campro, then you'll see another 10 years of campro. Fuel quality in MY market is a known issue, those management who spend resources on R&D in Direct Injection in P1 is really Direct injection was planned on the pheonix project (1.6 CFE) along side with VVT and turbo. It was scrapped due to cost, and the engine might not be possible to be use in targeted market due to fuel quality. The next engine is either Petronas NE01. Or Proton own small turbocharged engine (if the project still running). |
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QUOTE(danabu @ Jun 17 2014, 10:14 PM) Fuel quality in MY market is a known issue, those management who spend resources on R&D in Direct Injection in P1 is really Direct injection have no problem with our fuel quality in malaysia. Only certain countries have even lower qualities, which would not be possible to introduce that technology, and not able sell to those countries.This post has been edited by ruffstuff: Jun 17 2014, 10:20 PM |
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 17 2014, 06:52 AM) Needless to say, Picanto is superior in terms of engine tech, gearbox, build quality, etc. P1 is nothing more than China car. Too bad, NASA didn't bother to do marketing, the i10 even outsold Picanto. |
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jun 17 2014, 11:10 PM) Needless to say, Picanto is superior in terms of engine tech, gearbox, build quality, etc. P1 is nothing more than China car. Too bad, NASA didn't bother to do marketing, the i10 even outsold Picanto. i just love how you comment even though the car is not out yet.you dont even know what engine this thing has. lol. |
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QUOTE(cloudstrife07 @ Jun 17 2014, 11:14 PM) i just love how you comment even though the car is not out yet. Silence peasant! Do not question glorious leader Dr Jay! He knows all! Past, present and future!!!you dont even know what engine this thing has. lol. QUOTE(lemer @ Jun 17 2014, 11:31 PM) It seems he is well known clown here. I notice people like mentioning his name when need something to get laugh at with his comment. It's late night with Dr Jay.We're live on air dude. ![]() This post has been edited by Matrix: Jun 17 2014, 11:43 PM |
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QUOTE(lemer @ Jun 17 2014, 11:31 PM) It seems he is well known clown here. I notice people like mentioning his name when need something to get laugh at with his comment. Those who bash and laugh at my comment virtually, at the other reality side, they actually look heavily on whatever I've said. Some of the comments can be used against their competitors too. Like towar from Honta and jolokia/feelfree from N-brand, in reality they are at war with each other Teana vs Accord and City vs Almera. You didn't know my comments were being used heavily by several brands marketing staff for their homework and to plan their strategy to fight each other? By right, they should have paid me plenty for saving their time for homework. |
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jun 17 2014, 11:45 PM) Those who bash and laugh at my comment virtually, at the other reality side, they actually look heavily on whatever I've said. Some of the comments can be used against their competitors too. Like towar from Honta and jolokia/feelfree from N-brand, in reality they are at war with each other Teana vs Accord and City vs Almera. You didn't know my comments were being used heavily by several brands marketing staff for their homework and to plan their strategy to fight each other? By right, they should have paid me plenty for saving their time for homework. now i know why malaysian salesmen are shallow minded and doesn't have much product knowledge.. |
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QUOTE(towar @ Jun 17 2014, 11:50 PM) as if marketing managers need to copy your deranged ramblings. You can say whatever you want here but reality is, you too evaluated some of my comments on Teana and will use it to attack jolokia anyway. You should thank me for the info. But anyway, those competitors of yours gained the most with me around because they got to leap high and defeating you.first time i seen someone (jayraptor) lick his own butt. |
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This surprisingly look good!
bet if u dint see the badge logo the rave would be all around.. |
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Jun 18 2014, 09:56 AM
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looks much nicer than the latest myvi IMHO
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The more i look at the bum, the more it looks like Mawi...
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not really la. myvi looks more cluttered and "busy". the GCC looks cleaner.
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QUOTE(bananadriver @ Jun 18 2014, 10:30 AM) not really la. myvi looks more cluttered and "busy". the GCC looks cleaner. i feel the rear design of gsc look alike this japan cutie:i still felt it reminds me of the fiat punto. pictures for comparison. myvi, gcc ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This post has been edited by coolstore: Jun 18 2014, 11:21 AM |
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the front looks fine without anything fancy.
but everytime once they come out with a new model, sure the rear lamp looks unacceptable. looks odd yet ugly, same goes to preve rear lamp. |
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Front indeed like the old fiesta even the wing mirrors. Somehow the headlamp reminds me of Golf mk6.
But the rear is bit plain. Kudos proton for the inclusion of ESP, TC shld be there as well. |
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QUOTE(ch@ich@i @ Jun 18 2014, 12:20 PM) the front looks fine without anything fancy. the rear lamp looks like exora style... and i don't really like back and side of the car...but everytime once they come out with a new model, sure the rear lamp looks unacceptable. looks odd yet ugly, same goes to preve rear lamp. QUOTE(irmo @ Jun 18 2014, 12:51 PM) TC = Traction Control |
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some1 told me that all variants got abs,ebd,ba and esc.
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 18 2014, 05:15 PM) not sure on suprima s. but thats the case in preve turbo/high spec. correct me if im wrong, its similar to BMW (or Merc?) keyless push start method, u hv to slot in the keyless device in order to activate the push start button. |
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QUOTE(devil_x @ Jun 18 2014, 05:20 PM) not sure on suprima s. but thats the case in preve turbo/high spec. No different to normal key then...what's the point?? LOL.correct me if im wrong, its similar to BMW (or Merc?) keyless push start method, u hv to slot in the keyless device in order to activate the push start button. |
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QUOTE(devil_x @ Jun 18 2014, 03:20 PM) Suprima S is keyless no...unless u consider slotting in the keyless device into a slot in order to activate push startis not keyless QUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 18 2014, 05:15 PM) because of thisQUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 18 2014, 05:34 PM) yes. Pointless, since after you slot the key, start the car, you can eject your key and continue driving. |
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 18 2014, 06:21 PM) At least as compared to normal key ignition system, it is much harder to steal. Erm. The easiest to steal are cars with keyless go. You don't need a key to drive away the car, so all you need to do is transmit the signal. Unless the car does some fancy communication with the key (e.g. send data to the remote control, have the remote control encrypt it with a key only car and remote know, and then send it back) AND analyses the time for the signal to arrive back, and on a regular basis, you can easily steal the car. But by doing so the power consumption of the key would be a bit high.Try check on those thief magnet vehicle, push start or key ignition? It is also the most elegant way of stealing a car, since there is no brute force, no suspicious activity involved. A man walks to the car, the car automatically unlocks, he gets in, drives away. No looking for some wires in the car, no trying to pick a lock, ... And before anyone says why haven't we seen this before... actually students did demonstrate that this is possible (on a variety of vehicles, like BMW etc. IIRC), and the parts to do so are cheap. I still prefer keys. They are at least a bit safer. As for the GSC... I like it. 50-60k would be stupid though. Why would anyone get it over a Preve? Also, the boot lip (?) is quite high it seems, higher than in the Myvi. The lower it is, the easier to load and unload the boot. This post has been edited by kadajawi: Jun 18 2014, 06:56 PM |
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QUOTE(one81 @ Jun 18 2014, 03:18 PM) actually when i attend the market survey for this car.. If what you said is true and they are seriously considering that price range, I wish Proton all the luck in the world. They might as well start planning their next mega discount carnival.they also asking survey attendees how much we willing to pay for it and the price range started at 50k - 60k... Regardless of how much kit + the kitchen sink they're throwing into this car, even if they make it bulletproof, Malaysians are still likely going to go for Myvi/Axia/Picanto/Mirage or on the other end, Alza/Almera. If they price it the same as Myvi's range or less, then we might have a bestseller pisang goreng panas. |
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Judging from various spy shots of this car, it seems that at least 2 variants would have DRL, judging from the design of the rims. However, the 6 spoker (smaller wheels, no body kit. Presumably a lower variant) does not come with smart entry button.
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QUOTE(chris2k @ Jun 18 2014, 07:04 PM) If what you said is true and they are seriously considering that price range, I wish Proton all the luck in the world. They might as well start planning their next mega discount carnival. 50 to 60k i take Picanto. This car must be 4xk only.Regardless of how much kit + the kitchen sink they're throwing into this car, even if they make it bulletproof, Malaysians are still likely going to go for Myvi/Axia/Picanto/Mirage or on the other end, Alza/Almera. If they price it the same as Myvi's range or less, then we might have a bestseller pisang goreng panas. |
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Should put a highest variant with a turbo engine. Pick the same formula like how the VW Polo 1.2TSI manage to sell despite it is so damn small inside. Older fiesta 1.6 hatch also had great sales. Those are no sports car, but sporty hatch with good power.
Why wanna fight sales with Myvi ? Ppl buy Myvi because Malaysians perceive Perodua has better QC than Proton. Why not be more creative and carve your own niche market from youngsters, Proton ? And please, if manual variant, go learn to make the clutch position easier to drive, short gear shifter . Don't do like the typical Persona manual settings, adjust clutch till so high and hard. Traffic jam so torturing to drive. Instrument cluster, at least look as good as the new Myvi . Or go copy abit from the Honda CRZ . Take a lesson from the Civic FD, it can sell , one of the reason because of the futuristic meter cluster . |
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 18 2014, 08:10 PM) Should put a highest variant with a turbo engine. Pick the same formula like how the VW Polo 1.2TSI manage to sell despite it is so damn small inside. Older fiesta 1.6 hatch also had great sales. Those are no sports car, but sporty hatch with good power. instrument cluster already leaked....nothing special there.Why wanna fight sales with Myvi ? Ppl buy Myvi because Malaysians perceive Perodua has better QC than Proton. Why not be more creative and carve your own niche market from youngsters, Proton ? And please, if manual variant, go learn to make the clutch position easier to drive, short gear shifter . Don't do like the typical Persona manual settings, adjust clutch till so high and hard. Traffic jam so torturing to drive. Instrument cluster, at least look as good as the new Myvi . Or go copy abit from the Honda CRZ . Take a lesson from the Civic FD, it can sell , one of the reason because of the futuristic meter cluster . » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Please tell me those gauges will lit up when you start the engine, instead of having to switch on the headlamp like the Saga.... This post has been edited by dares: Jun 18 2014, 08:58 PM |
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IF this is the real instrument cluster , means it has a 2.0L NA equivalent ?? 240km/h meter wor...
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2014, 08:57 PM) instrument cluster already leaked....nothing special there. should have chrome ring surrounding the gauge that will reflect the backlight..otherwise the gauge looks dull and cheap..» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Please tell me those gauges will lit up when you start the engine, instead of having to switch on the headlamp like the Saga.... This post has been edited by megat89: Jun 18 2014, 09:04 PM |
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 18 2014, 09:01 PM) QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jun 18 2014, 09:22 PM) Myvi 1.3 also have 220km/h la....![]() QUOTE(megat89 @ Jun 18 2014, 09:02 PM) should have chrome ring surrounding the gauge that will reflect the backlight..otherwise the gauge looks dull and cheap.. u think polo meh |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 18 2014, 07:35 PM) 4x k is a reasonable and logical price. I'm actually waiting for GSC's launch before I decide which new car to get. It is an interesting car, but if it's 50-60k I might just consider other cars.Rumours say that the Nissan March's coming here... |
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QUOTE(chris2k @ Jun 18 2014, 10:21 PM) 4x k is a reasonable and logical price. I'm actually waiting for GSC's launch before I decide which new car to get. It is an interesting car, but if it's 50-60k I might just consider other cars. To be honest, for brand new Proton models (not facelift or sedan to hatchback/hatchback to sedan), I'd wait a few batch or at least a year after launch before buying.Rumours say that the Nissan March's coming here... QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jun 18 2014, 10:26 PM) pelanjiao you wanna drive at that speed in a normal car |
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2014, 08:57 PM) instrument cluster already leaked....nothing special there. Looks good to me. Though, as usual: Silver painted plastic looks cheap. Either it is real metal, or do something else. Yellow. Black. Anything. Just not silver.» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Please tell me those gauges will lit up when you start the engine, instead of having to switch on the headlamp like the Saga.... |
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jun 18 2014, 09:20 PM) i personally liked the traditional one It's useful in situations when it is not dark enough to switch on the headlamps, but not bright enough to see the gauges clearly, ie, dim tunnels.instead of the optitron like the one in myvi and alza no point having it lit up when engine start Meevee's one is a bit silly, because the meter cluster is lit all the time, you have to look at the aircon controls to see if you have actually switched on the headlamps. I've seen many LBLPs cruising along at night with their headlamps off because the drivers didn't know. Other cars have a headlamp indicator in the meter cluster. This post has been edited by dares: Jun 18 2014, 11:32 PM |
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iinm,normally,for market survey,they only show u the highest variant,easy to guage the maximum price that people are willing to pay. the minimum or baseline shudnt be a prob. so,if the survey price between 50 to 60 k,means the highest variant will be price between the region.
iinm,highest variant of myvi is around 60k. so,50 to 60k is around the price of myvi extreme. imho,the price will be more or less the same as myvi,maybe a bit cheaper. the baseline shud be price between 30k to 40k region,mid line 40 to 50k. my guess,bline 35k manual 1.3. hline cvt 7 speed paddle shift 1.6 55k. just my guess anyway. |
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Jun 19 2014, 01:25 AM) iinm,normally,for market survey,they only show u the highest variant,easy to guage the maximum price that people are willing to pay. the minimum or baseline shudnt be a prob. so,if the survey price between 50 to 60 k,means the highest variant will be price between the region. Yes. I think the top specs should be little under Rm 60k max...this will ward off the Mawi Extreme. iinm,highest variant of myvi is around 60k. so,50 to 60k is around the price of myvi extreme. imho,the price will be more or less the same as myvi,maybe a bit cheaper. the baseline shud be price between 30k to 40k region,mid line 40 to 50k. my guess,bline 35k manual 1.3. hline cvt 7 speed paddle shift 1.6 55k. just my guess anyway. But I think the cheapest should be 4xk...not too low specs. Do it like the koreans, safety features all the same, but luxury features reduced. |
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In think in this segment, there's 2 issues they need to address:
1) Space - which i think they got it right, comparable or bigger than Mawi. 2) FC - can it match the Mawi? Campro is known to suck fuel especially for city drive...i don't see how they can beat Mawi in this area.. |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 19 2014, 09:46 AM) In think in this segment, there's 2 issues they need to address: 1. it's just a little bit bigger than mawi1) Space - which i think they got it right, comparable or bigger than Mawi. 2) FC - can it match the Mawi? Campro is known to suck fuel especially for city drive...i don't see how they can beat Mawi in this area.. 2. fc at combined cycle (l/100km) in range of 6.5 - 7.5 |
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QUOTE(irmo @ Jun 19 2014, 10:10 AM) Where did you get this wei?? Car also not announce....Even if it is, we all know specs FC claimed all in optimum condition which can never replicate in real-world driving in city jam. |
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2014, 11:31 PM) It's useful in situations when it is not dark enough to switch on the headlamps, but not bright enough to see the gauges clearly, ie, dim tunnels. this is why i dn't like their meter...can't even differentiate if the headlamp is on or offMeevee's one is a bit silly, because the meter cluster is lit all the time, you have to look at the aircon controls to see if you have actually switched on the headlamps. I've seen many LBLPs cruising along at night with their headlamps off because the drivers didn't know. Other cars have a headlamp indicator in the meter cluster. |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 19 2014, 09:46 AM) In think in this segment, there's 2 issues they need to address: FC surely lose1) Space - which i think they got it right, comparable or bigger than Mawi. 2) FC - can it match the Mawi? Campro is known to suck fuel especially for city drive...i don't see how they can beat Mawi in this area.. but beat myvi with features, power, handling, not turtle |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 19 2014, 10:28 AM) Where did you get this wei?? Car also not announce.... What can i tell u is they put this gcc at the same level as Astra in term of responsive, comfort , wheel control ,linearity bla bla bla..Even if it is, we all know specs FC claimed all in optimum condition which can never replicate in real-world driving in city jam. thanks to my internal sb for the info. |
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QUOTE(irmo @ Jun 19 2014, 10:39 AM) What can i tell u is they put this gcc at the same level as Astra in term of responsive, comfort , wheel control ,linearity bla bla bla.. I don't have doubt the GCC is a better car than whatever junk that P2 is coming up.thanks to my internal sb for the info. But if Proton wants a Myvi killer, they need to address the main concern and attack the market. |
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starting from suprima,prtn use cmbined cycle fc,n its not far from real life actually. compare to other makes in malaysia that used cmbine cycle fc,it seems far stretch. u know the ford case lately.
the prob is when the fc figure stated in the brochure stated nearly to the real figure,normally the numbers isnt good n may actually cause the people sway away from it. |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 19 2014, 10:46 AM) I don't have doubt the GCC is a better car than whatever junk that P2 is coming up. As it is....Proton is still Proton, Perodua is Toyota. I don't see the GCC/GSC/TGV/MBO being a Maivee killer anytime soon. Brand perception is important.But if Proton wants a Myvi killer, they need to address the main concern and attack the market. If Proton sell at lower price, the market perceives it as a cut cost milo tin. Too expensib, nobody willing to pay more money for a Proton. It doesn't help that Proton's marketing team is utterly, utterly useless. |
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 19 2014, 11:40 AM) As it is....Proton is still Proton, Perodua is Toyota. I don't see the GCC/GSC/TGV/MBO being a Maivee killer anytime soon. Brand perception is important. smart ppl go for specsIf Proton sell at lower price, the market perceives it as a cut cost milo tin. Too expensib, nobody willing to pay more money for a Proton. It doesn't help that Proton's marketing team is utterly, utterly useless. p2 car isn't that much better myvi is good...ok but alza is seriously underpower and the gearbox is irresponsive |
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gcc wont be a killer to any marque,especially myvi. gcc is just a car that being develop base on what prtn had learned from preve n suprima for the world market,rather than malaysian market solely. of course, the 1st attempt has its own pros n cons, the 2nd one shud address the cons on the 1st attempt.
prtn shud produce a car that is less pricey than its competitor,but not by too much cuz in order to make it too cheap,too much cost cutting measures it need to make. i think the new owner wont be doing that too much. but expect more sharing parts in the near future model to cut cost. i have to agree with dares on the marketing sides. for the time being,what ive heard that drb dont want gcc to be like preve during the launch. thats why gcc launching is kept being delayed,even its bad for marketing cuz it will be launched after raya season. the car is ready,but not for launching yet. in progress to prepare test drive n showroom cars. i think september shud be the launching. personally,as i said past few month ago,its better than suprima,maybe the best proton effort to date. but dont expect too much cuz its proton n its a b segment hatch. if everything ok,maybe it can it a bit of share from b hatch segment market,but not killing any model,especially myvi. its not easy to gain market trust,but i believe they r trying hard to do so. they get it right,global standard for preve n suprima nterm of safety rating,equipments n handling,but loosing interm of build n perceive quality,engine refinement including fc,no where near the global status. gcc is to adress the above weakness. eventhough i know a lot about gcc,but i think,let the market speaks for itself,whether it can survive,time will tell. personally, it will surpass any proton makes. punch also work hard to adress any weakness of its cvt. |
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Jun 19 2014, 12:21 PM) gcc wont be a killer to any marque,especially myvi. gcc is just a car that being develop base on what prtn had learned from preve n suprima for the world market,rather than malaysian market solely. of course, the 1st attempt has its own pros n cons, the 2nd one shud address the cons on the 1st attempt. I'm a disappointed knowing proton's best effort won't be enough to compete with Myviprtn shud produce a car that is less pricey than its competitor,but not by too much cuz in order to make it too cheap,too much cost cutting measures it need to make. i think the new owner wont be doing that too much. but expect more sharing parts in the near future model to cut cost. i have to agree with dares on the marketing sides. for the time being,what ive heard that drb dont want gcc to be like preve during the launch. thats why gcc launching is kept being delayed,even its bad for marketing cuz it will be launched after raya season. the car is ready,but not for launching yet. in progress to prepare test drive n showroom cars. i think september shud be the launching. personally,as i said past few month ago,its better than suprima,maybe the best proton effort to date. but dont expect too much cuz its proton n its a b segment hatch. if everything ok,maybe it can it a bit of share from b hatch segment market,but not killing any model,especially myvi. its not easy to gain market trust,but i believe they r trying hard to do so. they get it right,global standard for preve n suprima nterm of safety rating,equipments n handling,but loosing interm of build n perceive quality,engine refinement including fc,no where near the global status. gcc is to adress the above weakness. eventhough i know a lot about gcc,but i think,let the market speaks for itself,whether it can survive,time will tell. personally, it will surpass any proton makes. punch also work hard to adress any weakness of its cvt. |
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Savvy was still considered to be a hit amongst the young and urban demographics during its sales run right up until it being discontinued. I am sure the new GCC will be able to surpass total Savvy sales records, since the trend is there for urbanites to go for compact cars due to its practicality. Pricing will tell whether this car will be a hit or a miss.
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the GCC looks like it is set to be proton's next rally car besides the Neo?
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By mat79 explanation if he is correct, GCC will use new type of engine or current engine upgrade to be more refined to address FC especially for local folks that very FC concern. Very good move by Proton keep innovating and progressing.
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sorry for the interruption..
GCC or GSC? if am not mistaken GSC right? GSC (Global Small Car) a.k.a. P2-30A... |
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QUOTE(SoZa @ Jun 19 2014, 12:37 PM) i dont like to use the word killer n dont like to compare directly to other products. as i mentioned,.we cant defy prtn suprima n preve manage to get global car status on safety aspects,equipments n loosing out on refinement,built quality n fc.gcc supposed to adress the weakness n maintaining the standard being set by preve n suprima. u said i mentioned that i said it wont be enough to compete with myvi, never said that,i said its not a myvi killer,or any killer :-) interm of sales cuz it isnt launch yet. comparing advancement at what i mentioned above,interm of global standard, do u think myvi tick all the boxes? maybe u have the answers. as i said, personally,gcc surpass suprima, but i dunno whether u think myvi is better or worse than suprima. either one,it doesnt matter,its ur preference n opinion. |
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i am hunting for small car right now , hope this one can be my first proton in my life
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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Jun 19 2014, 05:13 PM) If the price is right, then i don't see why not. Least aways, although superb FC from a Proton might still be a desired trait instead of a reality for now, at least you are getting your value's worth from great handling and safety aspects, and these are not present in Perodua cars. But then again, we are all entitled to buy whatever cars we see fit to buy, our own money what??? |
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Honestly, Myvi pales in comparison to the GSC. The only thing the Myvi has going on is its brand image, and possibly RV. Sadly, that's what most Malaysians look for in a car. Safety, handling, etc, are only afterthoughts.
After all, safety doesn't matter if you're a capable driver right? /sarcasm |
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QUOTE(one81 @ Jun 19 2014, 05:03 PM) sorry for the interruption.. Heard they changed the internal name. From GSC to GCC (Global Compact Car). DRB punya kerja lagi kot. But the codename still remain the same i think. P2-30a.GCC or GSC? if am not mistaken GSC right? GSC (Global Small Car) a.k.a. P2-30A... I think Mat79 just playing nice with Perodua. This post has been edited by ruffstuff: Jun 19 2014, 06:34 PM |
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 19 2014, 11:40 AM) As it is....Proton is still Proton, Perodua is Toyota. I don't see the GCC/GSC/TGV/MBO being a Maivee killer anytime soon. Brand perception is important. I've said this before many time. Their marketing is very kampung style. Kesian Suprima S. Cari la konsultan yang fresh. And please stop using KRU to make your TVC. If Proton sell at lower price, the market perceives it as a cut cost milo tin. Too expensib, nobody willing to pay more money for a Proton. It doesn't help that Proton's marketing team is utterly, utterly useless. |
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keep on commenting on new proton, good or bad. even they cant change everything to satisfy everyone,but atleast a change. who knows they read the comments.
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I think the Proton marketing staff has quite a task ahead, and they aren't the best there is. Hiring a foreign agency might not work either cause the Malaysian market is quite peculiar, and it seems clear to me that the GCC wasn't only designed for Malaysia. If it were, safety would not be important.
If it is really as good as mat79 says, maybe they can launch the car overseas first? Or at the same time. But get overseas journalists to try the car. Compare it with its peers. Then use the foreign reviews to advertise the car. Get EuroNCAP to test the car, then stress how much harder it is to pass EuroNCAP versus ASEAN NCAP. Also try to get away from the belief that Proton gets a lot of help from the government, that Malaysians are suffering because of Proton. Try to get confidence in the brand by improving service and treatment of customers, and making it public. There was a report on how bad the hygiene was at a Burger King in Germany, which led to people stop eating there. They came up with an ad showing the CEO of BK in Germany, talking about what happened, how they are going to fix the problem (regular independent checks for example) and raise standards, and that they have fired those in charge. Proton could do something like that. Try to be honest and humble, admit past failings and the commitment to improve. And act upon it. |
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Or there is a ad campaign showing some important football guy driving an Opel, and people around him being surprised. Basically it says you should try one, then you'll understand.
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Met Perodua service department executive today, apparently new Viva will be out very soon. September/October
The cheapest variant can be bought at just 26k, the highest variant shall not cost more than 40k. I hope p2-30a being released before the Viva, hopefully at least one month earlier. |
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If this car ranges from RM40k lowest spec to RM50k highest spec I think they stand a chance to gain back some market share.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 19 2014, 07:19 PM) I think the Proton marketing staff has quite a task ahead, and they aren't the best there is. Hiring a foreign agency might not work either cause the Malaysian market is quite peculiar, and it seems clear to me that the GCC wasn't only designed for Malaysia. If it were, safety would not be important. +100. Be honest, admit their mistake, dissociate with government (like need PM to launch car, Perdana accord for officials). Buang semua rasa obligation, atau rasa terhutang dgn kerajaan. Be a true independent car company.If it is really as good as mat79 says, maybe they can launch the car overseas first? Or at the same time. But get overseas journalists to try the car. Compare it with its peers. Then use the foreign reviews to advertise the car. Get EuroNCAP to test the car, then stress how much harder it is to pass EuroNCAP versus ASEAN NCAP. Also try to get away from the belief that Proton gets a lot of help from the government, that Malaysians are suffering because of Proton. Try to get confidence in the brand by improving service and treatment of customers, and making it public. There was a report on how bad the hygiene was at a Burger King in Germany, which led to people stop eating there. They came up with an ad showing the CEO of BK in Germany, talking about what happened, how they are going to fix the problem (regular independent checks for example) and raise standards, and that they have fired those in charge. Proton could do something like that. Try to be honest and humble, admit past failings and the commitment to improve. And act upon it. |
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QUOTE(Music Mania @ Jun 19 2014, 05:38 PM) Honestly, Myvi pales in comparison to the GSC. The only thing the Myvi has going on is its brand image, and possibly RV. Sadly, that's what most Malaysians look for in a car. Safety, handling, etc, are only afterthoughts. dead people cant post in forums and tell us that car safety features are important. that's why we dont hear many forumers agree that safety is important.After all, safety doesn't matter if you're a capable driver right? /sarcasm |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jun 19 2014, 08:32 PM) +100. Be honest, admit their mistake, dissociate with government (like need PM to launch car, Perdana accord for officials). Buang semua rasa obligation, atau rasa terhutang dgn kerajaan. Be a true independent car company. Now, it is theorotically a private company since Khazanah sold all it's share to DRB Hicom. Unfortunately DRB Hicom made a mess of things now until Mamakthir have to step in. And now Mamakthir, still acting like he is the PM, will demand Najib to follow his(Mamaktiu) wishes and directions. So we wait and see lah... |
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 19 2014, 07:49 PM) Met Perodua service department executive today, apparently new Viva will be out very soon. September/October thats news allen, i knew that the new perodua will eventually replacing viva,but not that sooner. but based on the price bracket,it seems it will replace viva asap cuz the viva price just being reduced due to cost saving measurements(as they said), n the new perodua price is at the new viva pricing.The cheapest variant can be bought at just 26k, the highest variant shall not cost more than 40k. I hope p2-30a being released before the Viva, hopefully at least one month earlier. unless the new viva pricing is stock clearence,then,it seems viva being kill by its own product then. the pricing between 26k to 40k is a rightful price for new a segment perodua. iinm,its siblings in indonesia only use 1 engine option that is new 1 l engine. previously i thought the price will be around 1.0 l viva, around 35k to 45k. it seems that perodua really want this p2 new baby to go head to head with gcc. thats good actually. this means prtn marketing teams need to come out with something special. n i hope,even the price war strategy seems favouring perodua,proton n drb shud stick to the plan,even baseline has all the passive safety equipments,of course,the numbers of airbags will be reduced to 2,but others still intact. just afraid the board taking any radical movement to offer just a basic offering. thats what happened so many times previously, hope they do it right this time. dont waste the effort done by rnd team. kadajawi,of course everything is done to surpass suprima, but in safety aspect,even toyota n bimmer missed the mark even during the dev stage,it aces all the required test. thats why i rather compare gcc with other prtn,rather than other marques. |
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and i do hope gcc will be launch sooner than new perodua or at the same time. easier to people in making comparison even its not apple to apple comparison.
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@mat79: Are you talking about BMW and Toyota not doing well in the small overlap test? I doubt these cars were ever meant for a small overlap test. And to be competitive Proton only needs to do well on regular 40% overlap tests.
Not sure Proton should even try to compete with the Viva/Viva successor. How could they? It's a smaller car, made much cheaper and probably nowhere near as safe. It should compete with the Myvi, and that's it. And ideally it comes with full safety specs in all cars, because that way there's no chance of a crash test involving a car that only has 2 airbags, thus ending up with a not so good result. I doubt the general public will differentiate and say oh, the higher spec car is safe, the lower one isn't. |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jun 19 2014, 06:33 PM) Heard they changed the internal name. From GSC to GCC (Global Compact Car). DRB punya kerja lagi kot. But the codename still remain the same i think. P2-30a. haiyooo even the name of the car they also cannot make up their mind? I think Mat79 just playing nice with Perodua. |
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The car looks nice...hope the price is ok.
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QUOTE(jimmybcmy @ Jun 20 2014, 09:24 AM) i like the front looks but not the back and C-pillar of this car...about price i already mentioned in my previous comment... they asked us to tick which price range we willing to pay for this car and it started from 50k-60k... hope it will be cheaper that that since this is our own local car.. but who knows since DR M already said want to change strategy from being maker of cheap cars to become world-class carmaker... http://paultan.org/2014/06/09/proton-change-strategy-dr-m/ This post has been edited by one81: Jun 20 2014, 09:35 AM |
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 20 2014, 02:45 AM) @mat79: Are you talking about BMW and Toyota not doing well in the small overlap test? I doubt these cars were ever meant for a small overlap test. And to be competitive Proton only needs to do well on regular 40% overlap tests. @kadajawi,nope,previously,some of the cars didnt get full starts,they had to revise it n after that they manage to get flying colors. its not a big thing by the way,just want to point even test were done extensively,still in the end,we are human,nothing perfect though.Not sure Proton should even try to compete with the Viva/Viva successor. How could they? It's a smaller car, made much cheaper and probably nowhere near as safe. It should compete with the Myvi, and that's it. And ideally it comes with full safety specs in all cars, because that way there's no chance of a crash test involving a car that only has 2 airbags, thus ending up with a not so good result. I doubt the general public will differentiate and say oh, the higher spec car is safe, the lower one isn't. the code still the same,never change, p230a. gsc or gcc its not a code or its official name. |
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there r some a segment being benchmark models,but not viva or viva replacements of course.
the gcc will cater the a n b segment for prtn. it wont be financially wise for prtn to come out with another a segment car.since the next b sedan segment will be based from gcc. c segment already have preve n suprima. the only thing left is d segment. there wont be too many b segments as previous such savvy,saga,gen2 n persona. not profitable in long run. so,they put out lot of effort on gcc,so that the next b sedan,supposed to replace saga,it will also cater the the gen2 n persona spot. meaning that,it will be a direct competitor with other b segment sedan,rather than just another cheap alternative to other b segments. instead just come out with many new cars, focusing on segments. |
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gen2/persona are C segment actually, not really B segment if you ask me.
when I met one of the Perodua directors 2 months back, he mentioned it will be end of the year for new Viva and the news I received yesterday, is even months earlier. Perodua does worry of the GSC/GCC as during the monthly dealer briefing, the National Dealer Development head strongly emphasized on "rationalism" strategy to improve all branches/dealers corporate image, facilities so that their share of pie will not be stolen by Proton and any other manufacturers out there. |
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 20 2014, 10:04 AM) gen2/persona are C segment actually, not really B segment if you ask me. Yes, the truth is P1 and P2 doesn't differ much, although P2 fans will always try to say that P1 is poorer. I feel that the hate for P1 is due to the fact that it's the first national car maker and used to have brush-brush relationship with the federal government.when I met one of the Perodua directors 2 months back, he mentioned it will be end of the year for new Viva and the news I received yesterday, is even months earlier. Perodua does worry of the GSC/GCC as during the monthly dealer briefing, the National Dealer Development head strongly emphasized on "rationalism" strategy to improve all branches/dealers corporate image, facilities so that their share of pie will not be stolen by Proton and any other manufacturers out there. To deny that the GCC will eat into P2 sales would be naive. If priced at the same range, but GCC having a more complete safety package plus amazing driveability (Lotus assisted in the design afterall), I'm sure rational car buyers would definately favour the GCC over the existing P2 offerings, which in the direct sense, the myvi. All in all, I always see these as positive things to happen. To have competition amongst the car makers will only benefit us buyers in the long run. I mean, WHEN will P2 finally offer complete safety packages in their cars? Now with the GCC, perhaps this will happen sooner. So it's always good to have healthy competition and pressure for the car makers. This post has been edited by bananadriver: Jun 20 2014, 10:20 AM |
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 20 2014, 10:04 AM) gen2/persona are C segment actually, not really B segment if you ask me. Perodua AXIA is coming mah...Daihatsu Ayla. Not sure if it's VIVA or MAWI replacement.when I met one of the Perodua directors 2 months back, he mentioned it will be end of the year for new Viva and the news I received yesterday, is even months earlier. Perodua does worry of the GSC/GCC as during the monthly dealer briefing, the National Dealer Development head strongly emphasized on "rationalism" strategy to improve all branches/dealers corporate image, facilities so that their share of pie will not be stolen by Proton and any other manufacturers out there. |
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QUOTE(bananadriver @ Jun 20 2014, 10:17 AM) Yes, the truth is P1 and P2 doesn't differ much, although P2 fans will always try to say that P1 is poorer. I feel that the hate for P1 is due to the fact that it's the first national car maker and used to have brush-brush relationship with the federal government. But P2 can't offer anything which Daihatsu doesn't....because they don't design cars...unless Daihatsu offers the same safety features, all P2 can do is more facelift to appease AhBeng market. To deny that the GCC will eat into P2 sales would be naive. If priced at the same range, but GCC having a more complete safety package plus amazing driveability (Lotus assisted in the design afterall), I'm sure rational car buyers would definately favour the GCC over the existing P2 offerings, which in the direct sense, the myvi. All in all, I always see these as positive things to happen. To have competition amongst the car makers will only benefit us buyers in the long run. I mean, WHEN will P2 finally offer complete safety packages in their cars? Now with the GCC, perhaps this will happen sooner. So it's always good to have healthy competition and pressure for the car makers. |
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Jun 20 2014, 09:57 AM) there r some a segment being benchmark models,but not viva or viva replacements of course. the gcc will cater the a n b segment for prtn. it wont be financially wise for prtn to come out with another a segment car.since the next b sedan segment will be based from gcc. c segment already have preve n suprima. the only thing left is d segment. there wont be too many b segments as previous such savvy,saga,gen2 n persona. not profitable in long run. so,they put out lot of effort on gcc,so that the next b sedan,supposed to replace saga,it will also cater the the gen2 n persona spot. meaning that,it will be a direct competitor with other b segment sedan,rather than just another cheap alternative to other b segments. instead just come out with many new cars, focusing on segments. QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 20 2014, 10:04 AM) gen2/persona are C segment actually, not really B segment if you ask me. Although Gen2/Persona actually a C segment size during it launch, but the spec level is not really up to the segment. I always perceive the persona is B segment car with it prices. when I met one of the Perodua directors 2 months back, he mentioned it will be end of the year for new Viva and the news I received yesterday, is even months earlier. Perodua does worry of the GSC/GCC as during the monthly dealer briefing, the National Dealer Development head strongly emphasized on "rationalism" strategy to improve all branches/dealers corporate image, facilities so that their share of pie will not be stolen by Proton and any other manufacturers out there. Anyway it is good to know that Proton is eliminating A segment, and focus on GCC to fill both A and B compact cars segment. To do this, they must have lot of variants. I'm a bit worried that it will compromise safety equipments. Just hoping that the base variant will have at least 2 airbags and ESC. If not, Proton just putting their effort on emphasizing safety on their recent products back to drain. Because they can no longer advertise their product is best in safety in 1 product regardless variant, without much explanation on safety kits. B segment sedan (probably saga R), probably the first B segment global sedan for proton. |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 20 2014, 10:24 AM) But P2 can't offer anything which Daihatsu doesn't....because they don't design cars...unless Daihatsu offers the same safety features, all P2 can do is more facelift to appease AhBeng market. I'm not sure i read somewhere that Perodua already had their RnD department (the real one), and will start operating in 2018. Well, at least can start with shared platform and engine. It took Proton 17 years after establishment to get their first in house product (Proton Waja). Perodua was establish in 1993, now is 2014 still no news about their own in house product. This post has been edited by ruffstuff: Jun 20 2014, 10:36 AM |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jun 20 2014, 10:35 AM) I'm not sure i read somewhere that Perodua already had their RnD department (the real one), and will start operating in 2018. Well, at least can start with shared platform and engine. being the 2nd, younger child in the family grants immunities from harsh expectations usually.It took Proton 17 years after establishment to get their first in house product (Proton Waja). Perodua was establish in 1993, now is 2014 still no news about their own in house product. being the 2nd national car maker, and still being perceived as "young" has always been the excuse for P2. those who has younger brothers will understand |
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Btw, a news that I just remembered. The executive who I met yesterday mentioned that Perodua sedan will arrive next year.
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 20 2014, 10:39 AM) Btw, a news that I just remembered. The executive who I met yesterday mentioned that Perodua sedan will arrive next year. probably going to be a hatchback converted into sedan type. Daihatsu likes to do this (so another Daihatsu model coming?) Recent examples would be Mitsubishi's mirage converted into the attrage. BTW is Perodua still selling that Perodua Nautica?Proton will need Saga replacement for that. Daihatsu Ayla sedan (photoshop pic) ![]() This post has been edited by bananadriver: Jun 20 2014, 11:28 AM |
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QUOTE(bananadriver @ Jun 20 2014, 10:43 AM) probably going to be a hatchback converted into sedan type. Daihatsu likes to do this (so another Daihatsu model coming?) Recent examples would be Mitsubishi's mirage converted into the attrage. BTW is Perodua still selling that Perodua Nautica? They stopped selling Nautica since Toyota bring in Rush. To be honest, car buyers don't care about AWD, all they want is cheaper prices, thus causing the Nautica sales to plummet drastically. |
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QUOTE(bananadriver @ Jun 20 2014, 10:43 AM) probably going to be a hatchback converted into sedan type. Daihatsu likes to do this (so another Daihatsu model coming?) Recent examples would be Mitsubishi's mirage converted into the attrage. BTW is Perodua still selling that Perodua Nautica? Looks like Saga...Mamaktir will rage...Daihatsu Ayla sedan (photoshop pic) ![]() |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 20 2014, 02:22 PM) I dont think they have a Saga replacement anytime soon. Haven't heard any news...but if it does, it will be based on the GCC platform. Imagine the GCC with boot. I was talking about Perodua's sedan la There , Saga 3.0 QUOTE(bananadriver @ Jun 20 2014, 03:47 PM) why UMW rage? UMW is a major stakeholder of Perodua Besides, rebadge the dugong oni, not the current catfish Vios. Why not? |
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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Jun 20 2014, 11:29 AM) They stopped selling Nautica since Toyota bring in Rush. To be honest, car buyers don't care about AWD, all they want is cheaper prices, thus causing the Nautica sales to plummet drastically. Partially true only. If you survey around, there are people in construction sector who keeps hunting for used Kembara Manual. They must have 4WD because there is no proper road in construction site, 2WD car might get stucked. Auto is a nono since lack of torque and easy to overheat the transmission if throttle hard to get the car itself unstuck. Other options would be Hilux, Storm ,Frontier, Ranger , however replacement parts for those 4WD trucks are expensive especially the tires and suspension items. Road tax is cheap too. Therefore they prefer the Kembara whether the HC-EJ engine or the K3-VE version.So people actually want both cheap and good This post has been edited by k!nex: Jun 20 2014, 04:39 PM |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 20 2014, 10:24 AM) But P2 can't offer anything which Daihatsu doesn't....because they don't design cars...unless Daihatsu offers the same safety features, all P2 can do is more facelift to appease AhBeng market. The car the first gen Myvi was based on, the Daihatsu Sirion, came with 6 airbags and stability control IIRC in Europe. Ayla I wouldn't expect much though, that seems like an Indonesian model. |
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Indonesian Ayla review. Really seems to be a barebones tin kosong variant. Doesn't even come with a rear wiper.
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QUOTE(SoZa @ Jun 19 2014, 12:37 PM) Don't chickens before they roost. Even if Iriz can beat myvi/axia, it is best not to tell it immediately to catch the competition off guard QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Jun 19 2014, 02:30 PM) Savvy was still considered to be a hit amongst the young and urban demographics during its sales run right up until it being discontinued. I am sure the new GCC will be able to surpass total Savvy sales records, since the trend is there for urbanites to go for compact cars due to its practicality. Pricing will tell whether this car will be a hit or a miss. Bought the original Savvy, before the redesign. The manual version, built very tough. Rough but tough. I think the most sought after small city car is actually the Kelisa.QUOTE(mat79 @ Jun 19 2014, 06:51 PM) keep on commenting on new proton, good or bad. even they cant change everything to satisfy everyone,but atleast a change. who knows they read the comments. Suprima is a step up from Preve. Things that can learn from Suprima: If this Iriz has proper keyless and a HU unit that does not reset every time you start the car, that alone is a huge win. If can have Waze even better. But need to address the car radio not remembering where the last track was. Suprima drivers can tolerate the keyless and other small stuff, but the HU is the biggest letdown in a car that is almost complete in all aspects. Hence my quest to find a uber radio. Compared to normal non-android radio, this is a big step. Not everyone can change the radio wallpaper everday. QUOTE(mat79 @ Jun 20 2014, 12:44 AM) thats news allen, i knew that the new perodua will eventually replacing viva,but not that sooner. but based on the price bracket,it seems it will replace viva asap cuz the viva price just being reduced due to cost saving measurements(as they said), n the new perodua price is at the new viva pricing. I already see the proper keyless entry. That alone has surpassed Suprima. Not sure if they fixed the android unit though. unless the new viva pricing is stock clearence,then,it seems viva being kill by its own product then. the pricing between 26k to 40k is a rightful price for new a segment perodua. iinm,its siblings in indonesia only use 1 engine option that is new 1 l engine. previously i thought the price will be around 1.0 l viva, around 35k to 45k. it seems that perodua really want this p2 new baby to go head to head with gcc. thats good actually. this means prtn marketing teams need to come out with something special. n i hope,even the price war strategy seems favouring perodua,proton n drb shud stick to the plan,even baseline has all the passive safety equipments,of course,the numbers of airbags will be reduced to 2,but others still intact. just afraid the board taking any radical movement to offer just a basic offering. thats what happened so many times previously, hope they do it right this time. dont waste the effort done by rnd team. kadajawi,of course everything is done to surpass suprima, but in safety aspect,even toyota n bimmer missed the mark even during the dev stage,it aces all the required test. thats why i rather compare gcc with other prtn,rather than other marques. If the baseline is the SV option, than so be it. However, I agree this is not the route to follow. Though I do hope it will be earlier than this Axia. Maybe just after raya is a good time. If it is after Axia, then need to have stuff which entice people towards Iriz. Might pick up one myself for the wife....or maybe using her as a reason to buy the car |
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Just chat with a friend who is Proton Edar Sales Manager.
P2-30A will come in three variants. The top variant shall be 1.6litre, 6 airbags, ESC, and expect to be 50k++, CVT only He isn't too sure about the standard and executive specs though, but he remembered that it will be manual/CVT for each variants, the number of airbags should be 2 only and the he isn't sure the availability of ESC in this two variants. |
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 21 2014, 09:11 PM) Just chat with a friend who is Proton Edar Sales Manager. Top variant for 50k plus only? Sounds like a nail in the coffin for the 1.5 Myvi Extreme.P2-30A will come in three variants. The top variant shall be 1.6litre, 6 airbags, ESC, and expect to be 50k++, CVT only He isn't too sure about the standard and executive specs though, but he remembered that it will be manual/CVT for each variants, the number of airbags should be 2 only and the he isn't sure the availability of ESC in this two variants. Judging from spyshots of the touchscreen and non-touchscreen head unit, at least 2 variants would have ESC. A little bit wonky of Proton to only include 2 airbags for the other variants, seeing how the Preve has 6 airbags across the range. |
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 21 2014, 09:11 PM) Just chat with a friend who is Proton Edar Sales Manager. That's disappointing. It should be 6 airbags and ESC across the range. Stuff like alloy rims can be dropped, no bodykit, simple radio... just don't sacrifice safety. Though I guess in Malaysia safety is the first thing you should drop, cause people don't care.P2-30A will come in three variants. The top variant shall be 1.6litre, 6 airbags, ESC, and expect to be 50k++, CVT only He isn't too sure about the standard and executive specs though, but he remembered that it will be manual/CVT for each variants, the number of airbags should be 2 only and the he isn't sure the availability of ESC in this two variants. |
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 21 2014, 09:11 PM) Just chat with a friend who is Proton Edar Sales Manager. The sales manager is talking sense. P2-30A will come in three variants. The top variant shall be 1.6litre, 6 airbags, ESC, and expect to be 50k++, CVT only He isn't too sure about the standard and executive specs though, but he remembered that it will be manual/CVT for each variants, the number of airbags should be 2 only and the he isn't sure the availability of ESC in this two variants. gearbox has to be CVT. That is the current trend now. Optimum engine power. QUOTE(Music Mania @ Jun 21 2014, 09:48 PM) Top variant for 50k plus only? Sounds like a nail in the coffin for the 1.5 Myvi Extreme. Perodua got 2 airbags what. Airbags cost money, so making it cheap to appeal to everyone is a good strategy.Judging from spyshots of the touchscreen and non-touchscreen head unit, at least 2 variants would have ESC. A little bit wonky of Proton to only include 2 airbags for the other variants, seeing how the Preve has 6 airbags across the range. This post has been edited by mystvearn: Jun 22 2014, 06:33 AM |
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Jun 21 2014, 10:21 PM) The sales manager is talking sense. I know, I know. Again, in Malaysia safety doesn't matter. I can understand if they go for lower safety standards in the low spec car. However I'd argue that that might be short sighted and may not be that beneficial in the end.Engine has to be CVT. That is the current trend now. Optimum engine power. Perodua got 2 airbags what. Airbags cost money, so making it cheap to appeal to everyone is a good strategy. Proton could focus their marketing strategy around safety. But they'll look like hypocrites if only the highest spec is actually good. Also, people have been burnt by the Preve first offering 2 and 4 airbags, and suddenly within a year or so even the entry level car surpasses the previous highest spec car. If Proton now announces the GSC with 2 airbags and no stability control, some people may hold out or just get something else, as they think they're going to get shafted. ASEAN NCAP may only test the low spec car, thus achieving a not so good result. Good luck trying to tell everyone that the highest spec is actually a much safer car. If you stress that, people will complain why Proton doesn't care about the safety of the people. If you don't, people will think better buy other brand. Airbags aren't that expensive, and if only the highest spec has all the airbags, economies of scale aren't that good. The savings may not be that great by going for 2 airbags. Not sure about the CVT. It is often times criticized, rightfully or not. Why not something like a 6 speed torque converter, say the Aisin unit VW uses in the Polo Sedan? They can say Toyota gearbox, but more advanced than what Perodua and Toyota use. Also with a modern 6 speed torque converter the FC shouldn't be too bad. And it feels nicer to drive. This post has been edited by kadajawi: Jun 21 2014, 10:35 PM |
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 21 2014, 10:28 PM) Someone mixed up between VVT and CVT.....kadajawi, just wait for the official news. I also hope that 6 airbags / ESC to be made standard soon. Perhaps mat79 may have the answer you looking for. This post has been edited by allenultra: Jun 21 2014, 10:47 PM |
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 21 2014, 09:11 PM) Just chat with a friend who is Proton Edar Sales Manager. P2-30A will come in three variants. The top variant shall be 1.6litre, 6 airbags, ESC, and expect to be 50k++, CVT only He isn't too sure about the standard and executive specs though, but he remembered that it will be manual/CVT for each variants, the number of airbags should be 2 only and the he isn't sure the availability of ESC in this two variants. QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 21 2014, 10:32 PM) ... If Proton now announces the GSC with 2 airbags and no stability control, some people may hold out or just get something else, as they think they're going to get shafted. ASEAN NCAP may only test the low spec car, thus achieving a not so good result. Good luck trying to tell everyone that the highest spec is actually a much safer car. If you stress that, people will complain why Proton doesn't care about the safety of the people. If you don't, people will think better buy other brand. Shafted is the right word. What happened with the initial Preve buyers. The main reason I'm interested in the GSC is 6 airbags + ESC + ABS + all the other acronyms. Airbags aren't that expensive, and if only the highest spec has all the airbags, economies of scale aren't that good. The savings may not be that great by going for 2 airbags. ... If the 1.6 is going to be CVT only that's a real bummer because I prefer a manual one any day. Didn't Proton realise after launching Suprima that some people actually want a manual transmission? If on top of that not all variants have the full safety package, I'd probably look at something else. Even the manual Picanto comes with 6 airbags AND all-around discs, FWIW. Then again from experience, information from SA/manager isn't necessarily accurate so I'll wait till the launch to decide. |
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QUOTE(chris2k @ Jun 21 2014, 11:12 PM) Shafted is the right word. What happened with the initial Preve buyers. The main reason I'm interested in the GSC is 6 airbags + ESC + ABS + all the other acronyms. Bro, the some people who prefer manuals are few and far between. Maybe only some people here in fnf...in the real world the demand is very little. If proton dont offer manual, I think they do the right thing. ..less cost to test another variation and support and maintenance issues. But they might offer manual of this car is to be targeted globally.If the 1.6 is going to be CVT only that's a real bummer because I prefer a manual one any day. Didn't Proton realise after launching Suprima that some people actually want a manual transmission? If on top of that not all variants have the full safety package, I'd probably look at something else. Even the manual Picanto comes with 6 airbags AND all-around discs, FWIW. Then again from experience, information from SA/manager isn't necessarily accurate so I'll wait till the launch to decide. Even the new honda city dont have manual anymore. It just doeant makes business sense in the local market. This post has been edited by Matrix: Jun 22 2014, 08:33 AM |
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Jun 22 2014, 03:32 PM
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Hopefully the interior will be better in terms of quality. But the design looks great
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i also like the manual trans. it just depend on the market. theres rumours that premium cvt also featuring paddle shift. yup,it cant replace the manual excitement,but atleast,a remedy.
we may like manual,but maybe the market demand more on auto box. especially the premium version of any car. there r many others dont offer manual in malaysia,but offer it to our neighbouring countries. maybe msian market is auto oriented driver. just wait n see whether they will come out manual variant for 1.6. the ipanel seems better than sid in preve@suprima. |
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Fingers crossed. Waiting for the launch...
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Jun 22 2014, 06:16 PM) i also like the manual trans. it just depend on the market. theres rumours that premium cvt also featuring paddle shift. yup,it cant replace the manual excitement,but atleast,a remedy. In Europe auto gearboxes are usually a RM 7-12k option (plus it is not offered on all engine options, so you may not get the most powerful engine or you may not be able to get the smallest engine), only on something like the S class is an auto gearbox standard.we may like manual,but maybe the market demand more on auto box. especially the premium version of any car. there r many others dont offer manual in malaysia,but offer it to our neighbouring countries. maybe msian market is auto oriented driver. just wait n see whether they will come out manual variant for 1.6. the ipanel seems better than sid in preve@suprima. |
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 22 2014, 08:25 PM) In Europe auto gearboxes are usually a RM 7-12k option (plus it is not offered on all engine options, so you may not get the most powerful engine or you may not be able to get the smallest engine), only on something like the S class is an auto gearbox standard. That's Europe. In BolehLand, it does difference somehow especially when Driving License (automatic cars only) will be introduced in the market soon. The demand for manual transmission vehicle in Malaysia? Certainly consider as niche market if you ask me. For a manufacturer who with limited budget, they better concentrate on something that could really sell. |
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 22 2014, 08:35 PM) That's Europe. In BolehLand, it does difference somehow especially when Driving License (automatic cars only) will be introduced in the market soon. So I gather a 250Nm Suprima S MT is a long lost dream? The demand for manual transmission vehicle in Malaysia? Certainly consider as niche market if you ask me. For a manufacturer who with limited budget, they better concentrate on something that could really sell. This post has been edited by dares: Jun 22 2014, 08:39 PM |
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 22 2014, 08:35 PM) That's Europe. In BolehLand, it does difference somehow especially when Driving License (automatic cars only) will be introduced in the market soon. I am aware of that. I was just trying to explain why cars are offered with a manual gearbox overseas. It is cheaper, and people prefer it anyway.The demand for manual transmission vehicle in Malaysia? Certainly consider as niche market if you ask me. For a manufacturer who with limited budget, they better concentrate on something that could really sell. Of course Malaysians generally don't like manual. I think that has also to do with the manual cars you do get to drive. You learn driving on a manual Kancil or Viva, and let me guess, they are dreadful? If Malaysians were to learn on a manual conti it might be different. They are easy to drive, the gearbox itself is fun, the clutch is light and good, ... yes it still takes some effort to learn it, but it's not so bad. I've driven a manual Myvi, and thought it was so bad that I could understand the preference for auto for once. |
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 22 2014, 08:42 PM) I am aware of that. I was just trying to explain why cars are offered with a manual gearbox overseas. It is cheaper, and people prefer it anyway. If Malaysians use bluetooth/wired headset all the time they drive, I do think manual is a good option to go with. Of course Malaysians generally don't like manual. I think that has also to do with the manual cars you do get to drive. You learn driving on a manual Kancil or Viva, and let me guess, they are dreadful? If Malaysians were to learn on a manual conti it might be different. They are easy to drive, the gearbox itself is fun, the clutch is light and good, ... yes it still takes some effort to learn it, but it's not so bad. I've driven a manual Myvi, and thought it was so bad that I could understand the preference for auto for once. Till then, not really. Most Malaysians are not educated to be multi-tasking, that's the reality here. What I seen in Malaysia, manual transmission mostly available in commercial vehicles. At least Hilux is the manual vehicle that I'm driving frequently lately. |
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 22 2014, 08:44 PM) Not necessarily, if they will offer the Suprima in Europe. They may not offer it in Malaysia, but they will have to offer it. In my simplistic thinking, if they are going to manufacture those units anyway, it really isn't going to cost them much more to assign X number of units to the domestic market, according to bookings. |
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I can only hope that they (Prtn) is stalling the launch for GCC because they want everything to be really ready and perfect. But if launching this GCC already takes considerable time, I wonder if P1 will still be able to meet their target by launching their first hybrid car and the new Perdana (read: Accordana) by end of next year and Q1 2016.
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 22 2014, 08:53 PM) Gearbox sudah problem....... I thought a prototype with CFE and 6MT was spotted a while ago? They will also need it for the European market, if they chose to introduce it there. (What is taking them so long? At least in the UK? If it takes much longer the car will be outdated by the time it is introduced...).He switched back to stock downpipe now. I thought Suprima S 6MT will be introduced in Aussie market? And yup, I think so too. Should be no problem introducing it in Malaysia too. |
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 23 2014, 04:17 AM) I thought a prototype with CFE and 6MT was spotted a while ago? They will also need it for the European market, if they chose to introduce it there. (What is taking them so long? At least in the UK? If it takes much longer the car will be outdated by the time it is introduced...). It took them long to get the 6MT suprima to market. Im not so sure why, but i think maybe they need to calibrate performance vs emission? And yup, I think so too. Should be no problem introducing it in Malaysia too. |
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 23 2014, 04:17 AM) I thought a prototype with CFE and 6MT was spotted a while ago? They will also need it for the European market, if they chose to introduce it there. (What is taking them so long? At least in the UK? If it takes much longer the car will be outdated by the time it is introduced...). And yup, I think so too. Should be no problem introducing it in Malaysia too. QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jun 23 2014, 09:54 AM) It took them long to get the 6MT suprima to market. Im not so sure why, but i think maybe they need to calibrate performance vs emission? If their 6MT variant is still 205Nm....can campak laut pls |
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 18 2014, 08:10 PM) Should put a highest variant with a turbo engine. Pick the same formula like how the VW Polo 1.2TSI manage to sell despite it is so damn small inside. Older fiesta 1.6 hatch also had great sales. Those are no sports car, but sporty hatch with good power. Why wanna fight sales with Myvi ? Ppl buy Myvi because Malaysians perceive Perodua has better QC than Proton. Why not be more creative and carve your own niche market from youngsters, Proton ? And please, if manual variant, go learn to make the clutch position easier to drive, short gear shifter . Don't do like the typical Persona manual settings, adjust clutch till so high and hard. Traffic jam so torturing to drive. Instrument cluster, at least look as good as the new Myvi . Or go copy abit from the Honda CRZ . Take a lesson from the Civic FD, it can sell , one of the reason because of the futuristic meter cluster . QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2014, 08:57 PM) instrument cluster already leaked....nothing special there. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Please tell me those gauges will lit up when you start the engine, instead of having to switch on the headlamp like the Saga.... QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2014, 09:32 PM) I prefer proton's meter. The ones on myvi and alza look too colourful, cheap and cartoonish. |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jun 19 2014, 10:38 AM) Problem is in Malaysia...everyone no 1 concern is FC. Turtle or not nobody cares. Otherwise, how do you explain so many people buy Turtle Mawi? I think myvi selling well due to better quality control also. A few ppl i know who have myvi and some other protons at home, most of them say proton got some quality problems while myvi is perfect. For example dashboard got sound, door handle patah and so on. These minor probs la. |
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If this car is priced similar to Myvi, I don't think it will kill myvi yet but will definately eat up into Myvi sales quite a lot. Im not sure about other age groups but for urban college students from what I observed, buy myvi mainly because of size, quality control and perceived safety. Many parents are willing to pay extra for that.
Size - They only have 3 choices below 50k, viva saga and myvi. Viva too small and unsafe, saga too big, myvi just right. Quality control - Proton definately lose here, viva perceived to be less reliable for some reasons so again myvi the winner. Safety - Although Saga has 3 star Aussie/ASEAN NCAP, none of my friends know about it, so without this knowledge they will think it's unsafe due to the brand PROTON. Viva LOOKS unsafe physically. Myvi a winner by perception. As an urban teen, this is the conclusion I make after observing and discussing with friends. With addition of this new GCC, they can obviously beat myvi in terms of safety. Safety should be a big concern for parents, so if proton advertise 6 AIRBAGS and 5 STAR crash rating...that alone will hurt myvi sales a lil. Oh, but Myvi can still attract more chicks This post has been edited by danielcmugen: Jul 12 2014, 11:11 PM |
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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Jul 12 2014, 08:59 PM) QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jul 12 2014, 09:20 PM) +9999 What?? you mean you don't like that enormous temperature gauge?? after driving p1 and p2...and some other brand's lower end car i still prefer p1's meter design...looks more like a proper meter |
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The Saga did better in ASEAN NCAP too. The Myvi barely got 3 stars, the Saga just missed 4.
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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Jul 12 2014, 11:22 PM) Or maybe "Aiya no need so many airbags la, even my camry only got 2 what. Get myvi instead of suffering with proton quality probs the whole time." Yeah. Completely unimportant quality problems too. Power window failure? Big deal. A bit of rattling and other noises? Who cares. Toyota and Honda have problems like airbags not working, brakes failing, cars that keep accelerating, ... |
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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Jul 12 2014, 09:07 PM) I think myvi selling well due to better quality control also. A few ppl i know who have myvi and some other protons at home, most of them say proton got some quality problems while myvi is perfect. For example dashboard got sound, door handle patah and so on. These minor probs la. I have use to have both Myvi and a Savvy. Myvi has more serious issue and needs replacement for certain major parts. Savvy only have minor power window switch problem.Dont make me laugh plz Myvi has better quality control. All minor issues can be fix, but the core design of the car can"t. Myvi is a floaty piece of junk with terrible seats which gave me back ache in the rear seats on long distance drive. Savvy deapite being smaller, is more comfortable in the rear. This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 13 2014, 08:55 AM |
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2014, 08:57 PM) instrument cluster already leaked....nothing special there. Actually, where is the temp gauge? I see fuel gauge» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Please tell me those gauges will lit up when you start the engine, instead of having to switch on the headlamp like the Saga.... |
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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 13 2014, 12:11 PM) The temp gauge I mentioned is in the Myvi la I see. The new GSC maybe adopted certain carmaker's philosophy of "you don't need no stinking temperature gauge" Which car is this? The one that does not need a temperature gauge. I think the last car I had that went red at the temperature gauge was a Mitsubishi Galant 5th gen 1983-89. Even then, that was a time when the temp needle just hovered a bit and not in the middle like cars nowdays. |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 13 2014, 08:54 AM) I have use to have both Myvi and a Savvy. Myvi has more serious issue and needs replacement for certain major parts. Savvy only have minor power window switch problem. People just like to search for flaws with Proton's because they hate the company because they think it's causing high car prices.Dont make me laugh plz Myvi has better quality control. All minor issues can be fix, but the core design of the car can"t. Myvi is a floaty piece of junk with terrible seats which gave me back ache in the rear seats on long distance drive. Savvy deapite being smaller, is more comfortable in the rear. |
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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Jun 22 2014, 10:35 PM) I can only hope that they (Prtn) is stalling the launch for GCC because they want everything to be really ready and perfect. But if launching this GCC already takes considerable time, I wonder if P1 will still be able to meet their target by launching their first hybrid car and the new Perdana (read: Accordana) by end of next year and Q1 2016. yes, better everything is settled then only launching. don do selling first, and let the sc back handled the 'insider knowing issue' after sale, this way will hurt brand name kau kau every time. |
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