QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jun 18 2014, 10:37 PM)
To me it no coincidence Sunrise sold to UEM or Tan Sri Liew Kee Sin cash out from their companies. They know bad times is coming.
Do U mean the property market is going down soon ?4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market V7, UUU still trounced DDD
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Jun 19 2014, 08:38 AM
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Jun 20 2014, 10:13 AM
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I think many people still think properties will forever going up and up and maybe that because they have not experience what it's like when property market crash. The last crash was maybe like 10 years ago, but B4 that there we quite a few other crashes.
People nowadays think that once they have paid down payment and made a few mthly instantments, thier future house/condo, etc will surely be built in a year or 2 as stated in the S&P. But thier is risk that the developer might just abandon the project when they ran into financial difficulties. During the last property, lots of development got abandoned....and in fact there are still some buyers who are still fighting to revive the abandon projects. Saying that properties will forever going up cos population is increasing and land is limited is a falicy...when U travel outside your city, U can see mile and miles of forest...there're a fact lots and lots more land around to be developed. The property will crash 1 day...I predict probably next year. |
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Jun 20 2014, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE(yusiang @ Jun 20 2014, 07:17 PM) Are you seriously prepared for bubble?? God bless you. I can't even see how bank could approve your loan unless you say your OT is twice of your salary. He must have his "jalan"; if he can buy 3 properties within 6 years on just a RM2K salary; I can forsee he'll be a millionaire soon. Many people earning a 5 figure income can't even dare/afford to buy a single property. |
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Jun 20 2014, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jun 20 2014, 10:04 PM) how do you feel to be a 5 figure and dun dare to buy? me and my gf earns 5 figure(combine) but still looking and looking the two that fit the price, simply buy... the fluctuation of property price after 2010 has cause more inconsistency than never, such as will it drop? will it increase, will stagnant? will we buy now does not reflect future price, i think the peers of my profession do not just go on and grab like those mad BBB.. When did U start seriously looking for a property to buy ?grab any property in klang valley and new launch and nice= confirm millionaire.. could be true, only when it is sold and completed.. |
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Jun 21 2014, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jun 19 2014, 01:57 PM) What I'm saying is from events that ALREADY happened, you try to figure it out yourselves. Sunrise and SP SEtia are just 2 of the dozens of housing developers in Malaysia...so unless many more developers are also doing badly, there is concern that property is crashing. Are the bad/slow payments getting a lot worse recently ?Sunrise and SP SEtia cash out .... and the next event is SP Setia profit dropped 21.2% and Sunrise is not doing too well. A lot of ex-Sunrise development move their management to 3rd party management as rental falls in MKiara area. I don't put these business figures on a pedastal but I am sure they know the behind scene situation before it hit the newspapers. So I anticipate the market via their decisions. Moreso from my line of business, I evaluate the events that took place. Not ALL contractors are in bad shape but the stories of bad/slow payments getting frequent, you sorta get the feel of the market. "CAra halus" frm Bear2 ... hahaha ... I almost thought using bomoh services ... Then I read his post again .... maybe he meant ...more diplomatic la... |
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Jun 21 2014, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE(SamsengFan @ Jun 21 2014, 08:44 PM) we spend less on properties, more on credit card, surprise???? I'm not surprise cos people do not buy properties yearly, so for most people, it's $0 for property purchase, whereas people will charge probably RM1,000-RM3,000 mthly to their credit cards, so in 1 year it's RM12,000-RM36,000. Pump petrol will be like RM500 mthly.![]() http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=en_publ...ang=en&eId=box1 |
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Jun 21 2014, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE(SamsengFan @ Jun 21 2014, 08:57 PM) RM1,000-RM3,000 is definitely not average mthly income for Malaysians.http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...cost-of-living/ Country Average Monthly Income in 2012 Malaysia RM5000 (or RM8586 in Kuala Lumpur) United States of America US$4251 (RM13965) United Kingdom £2796 (RM15064) Singapore S$7570 (RM19551) |
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I think there are just too many property projects being done nowadays, all thinking it's easy money due to the demand fueled by flippers out to make easy money.
Even lots of Bursa counters are getting into the act....especially those who are doing badly in thier current business and they will usually JV with other companies to go into property development, thinking that this move will revive thier bursa stocks. I believe with the over-supply of properties coupled with flippers leaving will cause the property market to crash likely in 2016 and maybe even earlier in 2015. Many housing projects will get abandon just as what happened around 10 years or so ago. |
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jun 24 2014, 10:36 AM) Dey.... you know what yes are profits.. that profit only crystalize to a solid figure once you manage to sell off.. the more months it clocks.. more loans maintenance uou setvicing.. Yes, it's all paper profits till U have sold the houses, just like U bought a lot of stock that has risen a lot and U take it as U're in profit already.....but U R really only in profit till U sold the stock. And it's damn easy to realize your stock profits...selling is instant if U're trading on9...so U realize your profits instantly...but selling house is a totally different ball game.....takes months or even a year or 2 B4 u get the full payment.given nature of subsales higher DP less freebies.. and mote legal cost.. you got competition with developers units.. after off and deduct only ur profit.. |
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FD interests going up and soon BLR will rise as well...property market expected to slow down.
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Jul 2 2014, 08:28 PM
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Someone posted this is the FD thread -
"i think it is confirmed OPR will be increased. more likely 0.5% Why? as my housing loan (this month) increased from rm1601 to rm1894 came as a surprise to me". Will this happen soon to most existing housing loans ? |
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jul 6 2014, 08:40 PM) Bear2 u don't tipu hah ! i just read Chinese newspaper a developer columnists wrote, don't wait, buy now as property price not going to come down, see how thoughtful of developer to tell people buy from them now at cheaper price rather than pay higher price next year...lol He's a developer...he sells properties.....U think he'll say don't buy as prices going down soon ? |
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 14 2014, 05:20 PM) My aunty is old n poor n has gone thru the proper procedure to buy that unit....can I said she simply apply n buy? By old U mean above 65 years old ? Since old sure not working and still can buy house since no income to pay the housing loan ? |
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QUOTE(jwrx @ Jul 14 2014, 01:59 PM) there comes a point in time when renting is a better option then buying. A good example is Penang.... a 5000sqf bungalow can rent for 1-1.5k, but to buy is 2mil. you can rent it for 30 years and u still only spent a tiny fraction of the amount compared to buying it yourself Sure or not, such a great difference between bungalow price and the rental ? Sell the RM2.5m bangalow and put it in FD to earn say only 3% p.a. will give U RM6,250 per mth income, while renting pay just RM1,500 per mth ? Something is definately not right here - too great a difference.i have 2 grandaunts living in Penang....both are 70+, each have a bungalow in a decent location in Georgetown....last year, they both sold thier houses for about 2.5mil each...then rented similar house in the same location for 1.5k per month. imagine that...they now have 2.5mil cash in thier bank accounts, to pass on to thier kids, while rent is only 1.5k per month. its not always black/white.... buy is better then rent, always depends on circumstances. |
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 16 2014, 10:51 AM) Yes....we have limited land....see we reclaim land in melaka, penang, johor etc etc...why reclaim land if we have abundance of land??? There must be a reason right? Land is limited to these 3 small areas only...due to good location - e.g. Johor is near Singapore and thus reclaim land just across Spore. Penang is a small island. But not so in other parts of East Malaysia, plenty of land outside the cities/town. |
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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Jul 20 2014, 09:41 PM) I also feel the same. Market dead. Crash on the way. Dont buy now. Wait till it drop at least 50%. I will wait 70%. Very soon rm100k can get a 1sqf condo at klcc. Banglow at bangsar going to sell at rm300k. Get ready your bullet. Few million ringgit Bangsar bangalow selling for RM300K....over 90% drop ? That will never happen. |
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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Jul 21 2014, 09:40 PM) Walao..your dad is lucky lo....my dad hav 1 acre land with a banglow, pond and durian tree only manage to sell for 50k. Last time bought for 500k. Crash lo.. luckily still can sell at 50k ah... R U serious ? Where is the location of the bangalow ? 90% drop, hard to believe. |
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