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 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market V7, UUU still trounced DDD

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Mathew86
post Jun 20 2014, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 20 2014, 08:33 AM)
I think in 2012 and 2013, DDD accept 5 and become BBB.

But in 2014, I think DDD will tell you that its at stage 6 :-
6. Bubble is bursting - not much transaction in subsale. Flipper are caught. In 2015, GST is causing no spending. Business are getting worse. Boss of business holding a few property are forced to sell at firesale price. Also due to household debt at 86%, less spending outside. Business getting from bad to worst. Many business bankrupt. Bankrupt boss holding a few property go into auction. New property launch are getting less buyer. Those thinking of renting out face the problem of unable to rent out. More inexperience flipper who join property guru unable to serve their loan. More hardship coming. GST coming. Petrol increase. Inflation. Every price go up forcing the flipper to sell their house at lower price. Other flipper seeing this flipper sell lower, then they sell even lower. Transaction price getting lower. You don't see it go lower very fast. It just go lower slowly. And without realising it, its already 50% off. OMG!!!

Hahahahaha.. I think its what current DDD think. LOLOLOLOL

But for me, I think 2018 will herald a new price of property. Huat ar !!!  rclxms.gif  rclxm9.gif
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If your statement is true. No matter to people flipper as long they have holding power like me. As long I can maintain my service loan with 3 property , just a problem time takes longer to sell in next few years later . But also my loan tenure also decreased . I don't see any problem as flipper still have property to hide inside when raining
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post Jun 20 2014, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 20 2014, 08:58 AM)
I learn something from here. That is to be patient. Later bought wrong property lagi marfan. I have property in Penang Island. But now targeting mainland because its cheaper. But some area is foreigner infested area. Some are flood area. Need to check properly. Also got one Zero Lot Banglo which have lorry workshop behind (noise and pollution?).

Also I learn that we have to go there few times to check out the place.  rclxms.gif
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+1

Bro , I also bought a condo suite . Urban in jelutong . Penanglang
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post Jun 20 2014, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jun 20 2014, 06:44 PM)
What so special about u ? Is ur father listed among top 40 richest malaysian ? or U r son of some Minister ? why ? u cannot loss job, get pay cut, business get into trouble, kena con & etc.  whistling.gif

STRONG holding power  laugh.gif
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If I think like you before I buy any property. , until now I still renting a low cost house.

Every person need to work , if lose job then figure to find other job. When company fired you because economy bubble then you no leg to find other job which is lower pay to survive ? You work all the time is no saving to prepare when needs ? That's why la bro , don't over enjoy . I stay in Padang Serai in Kedah (I think bro gogo2 know where) , not much entertainment to spend .

First time I see people buying a property need to look family wealth & background first. I start to work in factory when I was 21. My family from kampung , poor type.

U kena con because u stupid to fall their trap that sounds too good to be true.

Go put your money in FD seriously bro. Buy a property need to concern so much , funny
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post Jun 20 2014, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 20 2014, 03:32 PM)
Service loan mean principal repayment or interest payment only on flexi account?
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My first house bought in Padang Serai 2008 with 108k wit 35 yr tenure , monthly Rm534.
Second house in Sungai Petani last year 368k with 30 yr tenure , monthly Rm1632 @ rent to international school Rm1800
This year going to buy urban suite in Jelutong 464k , waiting EF release on July





Already refinance my first house with 230k . 94k cash coming to prepare for bubble. Work as technician only with 2k salary without OT. This is my portfolio .
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post Jun 20 2014, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(yusiang @ Jun 20 2014, 07:17 PM)
Are you seriously prepared for bubble?? God bless you. I can't even see how bank could approve your loan unless you say your OT is twice of your salary.
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Rm2011 basic with 7 days OT around Rm3800 total
I also have 1 hawker stall business in food court but no submit income tax.
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post Jun 20 2014, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 20 2014, 09:08 PM)
Is it urban suite? It's right next to huge Indah Water right?
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Correct bro.
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post Jun 20 2014, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(andrewcha @ Jun 20 2014, 08:36 PM)
Fuh, caya la. You buy new launch or subsale? Tunjuk ajar sifu.
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2008 new launch
2013 sub sale
Now is new launch
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post Jun 21 2014, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jun 20 2014, 09:59 PM)
bro you using padang serai kedah to gauge the lifestyle, expenses, needs, property in KL and klang valley?
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Location different same as salary variance . Bro u think I have same salary like u while I staying here?
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post Jun 21 2014, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(karpkarpkarp @ Jun 21 2014, 09:02 PM)
guys, one question...
newly launched condo rm750k. say in 2018, the price is 1mil. can the market absorb? property price is increasing, but not our salary. what will happen to the market in 2018?
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End up rich people owned that property & people local / foreigner who not buy only can choose to rent for work purpose.
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post Jun 22 2014, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jun 21 2014, 11:54 PM)
in paper yes.. to BBB plesae be minded that a few out of some 300 units transacted with 800k does not mean the asking price is 800k or around that figure... if the remaining owners think like that or been influence by agents thinking like that, then ur property will stuck there .. first hurdle by doing so is bank valuation.. due to mark up by agents..

why not choose better way such as selling by your own and disregard agents.. the time put in are really worth that extra 50k mark up to agents.. unless you are just too busy till 50k does not mean anyting to you

like Soros said " i may have dropped 1k USD, but for me to bent down and collect the said 1k, i am losing few more thousand in the split seconds" other than this category.. owners act on it..
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Book knowledge is very useful like old time china war strategy to win battle against 100,000 Cao Cao army with only 10,000 troop combine with Liu Bei . But nowadays is not war , is property that everyone dream to get 1 in their life.


As u count with maybank table , I can see interest rate higher than principal loan prepayment every year. Holding a property must need a time before sell. Price is depend on market BUT what we can do during that time is renting game . I like to use my own as example , I bought a 2 1/2 corner house in SP with 30yr interest & principal is Rm1632/month . It's sub sale so I chooses this property with fully renovated & spend Rm9600 on cheap & promotion furniture and RENT to school with Rm1800. Done with SPA , they will repair everything back to original as term & condition.

About sub sale in future , I do sell higher than I bought before. As I spent years to invest & initial Rm9600 . I can do lower price from Market Value maybe 10% .

Is their(owner) game of choice to put down their price , either high or low. Buyer need to survey that's what I calculate what I spend and what I get .
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post Jun 22 2014, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(karpkarpkarp @ Jun 21 2014, 11:50 PM)
on paper yes. but u think got buyer? maybe will take long time to sell.
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Very true . People will keep think while rent or stay with family . Time goes longer , property will follow . This is my mom told me when I was 21 years old. I never read any books before I buy. All is news from friend , agent , developer & property guru apple AppStore


One day if shopping mall landed next to your house by walking distance , try to ask seller again . Price still same ? U know I know .
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post Jun 22 2014, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jun 22 2014, 12:04 AM)
the bankers also very noti and anti speculations... our intial installments are more to paying interest ration rather than than the  principals..

coupled with maintenance, quit rents & assessments, electric, miscellaneous, lawyers fees, down payments, penalty for locking period penalty 2%, agents cuts.. hmm really really bo friendly
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U pay first. charge back to seller in future. If location is good & guarded , no worry no one will buy
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post Jun 22 2014, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jun 22 2014, 12:37 AM)
you should get buyers like me... hehe..

i think you are quite wrong.. many owners dun even know about this, i had 5 cases after redemption statement out still short despite they sold above their purchased price.. still dunno..

the risk you bare if you are new entry (buying prop at high price such as 500k mark above) is that:

a) units getting old and thus lose competitiveness (this is an undeniable fact most location with old properties will lose in rally for few laps, perfect examples is the the frequency of potential buyers calling agents/owners for house viewing)
b) inability to rent/ bad rentals
c) no valuation/ most case less than 80%
d) bank negara strict DSR borrow limit 70% on nett earnings (after minus all other commitments)
e) RPGT
f) penalties for locking in periods
g) lawyers fees
h) stamp duties both loans & S&P ( easily cause 20k to 30k for a 600k property)
i) bank's apportionment of installments to cover interests
j) high down payments for subsales properties
k) interest serving periods for new property (burned interest)
l) size, appearance, facade, location, surroundings (you may have all the good criteria but examples like Venice Hill property)
i) etc

i shall say despite all the above mentioned, i am/ still ion search of my property.. dont get me wrong, investment in property can be a lucrative gains, but the climate now is not good, if you are made of weak holding power.. hmm

hey do check with your bankers of the redemption statements, i tink cause less than 1k or 500.. see my friends got bs me or not...
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Bro. I don't need to pay extra for this since I'm doing good at this moment .

A) a resident property newly paint is considered NEW . U can ask your senior like parents etc . Unless u go open their piping / under roof top
B) this is rental game . The more u make nice your property , the higher u can rent. u can choose to rent local or foreigner . There is different price
C) don't tell me valuation less than 80% . Public bank told me can do 95% loan with MOT If I want.
D) this is personal . As long u have clean record , with 5 credit card they count with only Rm50 commitment . My DSR will hit 83.1% and Maybank persuade me to deposit Rm50,000 in FD if I insist to buy 464k condo in Penang. This is my own experience .
E) as long u can manage to hold follow by the BNM rule . This will no longer cost you
F) u pay to invest , don't play play go against the game rule unless u get more than u pay penalty
G) charge back to buyer in future
H) charge back to buyer in future


The rest I no comment because I haven't sold any property.
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post Jun 22 2014, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jun 22 2014, 12:42 AM)
bro baru 27 years old only lehhh...  in cheras, there are shopping malls open , then bankrupt, then reopened, wonder what happen to the property? and some newly open also dying.. ppl who failed in business dunno how their house? times square whole 3 rd floor all tutup di.. lowyat, UOA Jalan Pinang, Megan Avenue 1 and Megan Avenue 2 Yap Kwan seng..

a) viva mall
b) Cheras sentral
c) 1 shamelin
d) South gate
e) Salak south
f) Axis Atrium
g) Kenanga
f) etc many i posted b4

not a good indication after all shopping malls bad move..
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As other bro say. Invest a property is not like FD. There is no such Confirm Untung in this world. Life is not easy . And yes I'm 28 now , not 27
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post Jun 24 2014, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(yahiko @ Jun 23 2014, 02:50 PM)
not aiming for so high la.. mostly 200k max single storey. ( not new property)
new property fren buy 300k double storey <-- damn cheap

Plan A : buy now, rent out ( very low chance ).. tahan 5-6 year sell out
plan B: cannot sell, future let parent stay ( not from penang,)

still considering..

ya GST also.. wann buy before  GST implement.

My lawyer kawan say very doc need to add 6% in process but can claim back  (dono how yet)
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Bro. If u want to buy & renting game . Choose 200k ~ 300k property to take 90% loan from selected bank like PB or RHB , UOB etc... Since aubsale then should be basically renovated .. Just need to get fully furnished , try to rent to factory / school instead individual renter like family . Rent to company is better .
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post Jun 25 2014, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(yahiko @ Jun 25 2014, 09:02 AM)
wow.. this thread either is alot of penipu scammer or damn richfag over here.. 300K cash!!! really?? service apartment?? reallly???

just my opinion, not worthy..
y not take flexi loan and dump all 300k into in.. at least emergency case u can korek balik
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Bro , you also quite funny here. If people dare to buy cash means they not worry about any emergency that happen in future. In this thread , penipu or scammer ( you need to clarify this name to them meh ) everyone has their own investment. If I earned few hundreds thousands from property , I would buy cash if I have faith on current market & location appreciation .


Like me , factory worker then no choice to take loans. 80% first property , 90% second property . Play rental game to survive and just hope for capital appreciation in future.
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QUOTE(jwrx @ Jul 14 2014, 03:04 PM)
if you talk about condo, its even more worth it to rent then buy. occupancy rates of condos in Penang island is at an all time low
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Wow. You're Penang , bro?
Which year you mean by renting bungalow only 1.5k ?
Also please tell me renting condo is more worthy ? Is a apartment which is 5 story level is it ?
Took a glance , to be more specified .... Renting in condo around jelutong area , 1.2k within subsale - no furniture ... Those with new condo like Maritime Suite 2R 2BR is start from 2.2k minimum.
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post Jul 14 2014, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(jwrx @ Jul 14 2014, 01:59 PM)
there comes a point in time when renting is a better option then buying. A good example is Penang.... a 5000sqf bungalow can rent for 1-1.5k, but to buy is 2mil. you can rent it for 30 years and u still only spent a tiny fraction of the amount compared to buying it yourself

i have 2 grandaunts living in Penang....both are 70+, each have a bungalow in a decent location in Georgetown....last year, they both sold thier houses for about 2.5mil each...then rented similar house in the same location for 1.5k per month. imagine that...they now have 2.5mil cash in thier bank accounts, to pass on to thier kids, while rent is only 1.5k per month.

its not always black/white.... buy is better then rent, always depends on circumstances.
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Jelutong area , bungalow renting start from Rm3000. Empty inside
Pulau Tikus start from Rm6000 empty inside
Batu ferringgi No need say as foreign place
Tanjung bungah Start from Rm5000
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post Jul 14 2014, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 14 2014, 05:39 PM)
Maybe he typo mistakes lar....15000 instead of 1500 lar...laugh.gif
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Over Rm10,000 rental in area Tanjung Tokong , Tanjung Bungah , Pulau Tikus normally .. I rather stay in Greenlane and drive to work than renting those place . Lol
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 14 2014, 08:50 PM)
scary leh.. kl only ands elangor only not including all yet.. landed also havent sked maa icemanfx
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Luckily northern region all those landed & luxury high rise condo not same compared with your analysis .

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