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post Aug 31 2014, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Aug 31 2014, 01:38 PM)
Ppl say got means got lo. Why u everything also feeling not right abt this project one? From location pricing supply now even window also u got problem with it. U lose big money in iskandar ka? How many u bought previously ? Or u r developert that now stuck with land is iskandar... muahahhmuahaha
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If you hav vested interest in jb, get prepare for the worse. You still dont see the danger? Omg! Good luck. Btw, i dont have any investment in jb. Serious bubble coming. Give you another hint: majority on going development after china developer came to jb going to delay, not going to vp on time. Is china developer so gentleman to pay Lad?

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QUOTE(proplens @ Aug 31 2014, 02:21 PM)
Seriously, who is going to stay in these thousands of units of condos? Where do these new residents come from?

Also, the price is not cheap, how many of those in jb can afford to pay this kind of rent? Even if klang valley it would take a long time to digest.

Malaysian in singapore? Just compare the rent, I would rather stay in singapore if I work there. The daily commute is too much, not to mention the higher costs, and not too safe in jb.

People who is over the moon now should wake up, be realistic. There will be demand, but not at this price .
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Too many negative comments until some with vested interest cant take it any more.
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post Aug 31 2014, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Aug 31 2014, 03:18 PM)
Cannot tahan someone acting like an expert and try to look good being dr doom.

I got zero investment so far in johor but think that this r&f is in great location n have legs. But cant tahan many ppl in this thread giving comments without specific rationale. The only reason I can think off is u r fuxxed big time by buying early n now the huge supply by these chinese developers r going to flood the market.  Good luck to u man....
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Good to know that you have no investment in jb. Then no need so kancheong hearing all the negative facts. Kaboom!! Don't worry, my 2cents comments wont influenced the market but the china developers are bringing the doom. Fire sales soon when they start throwing price. Another 30,000 unit to go for this development. Now only the 1st batch. But not to worry too much. You don't have any vested interest and gogo2 said this is StandaLone proPertY can withstand earthquake during bad time. Again you no vested interest, don't kancheong.


QUOTE(Cocoon @ Aug 25 2014, 09:23 AM)
Dont know woh. I kau dim mine d...
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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Aug 25 2014, 03:48 PM)
I dive.

nvr been there also ... will go in 2 weeks time...
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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Aug 26 2014, 06:58 AM)
Small small cheap cheap one. Cant afford the big one.

if you happen to be in kl pls pm me. We can share info n I wish to learn sg property kung fu from you....
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Again, last but not least, you have no vested interest. Relax. Don't worry and don't think too much. Happy merDeka day.

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post Aug 31 2014, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Aug 31 2014, 05:15 PM)
Bro, relak bro. Forum is to blow water. No need act like a child hihi... whether I invested or not doent matter all blow water only. Sometime old ppl cant remember things clearly or may be small amount I didnt write on my buku 555 sometime purely for intellectual debate. Yawn...
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Really? icic . Sorry if you forgotten your investment here. If vested interest, better get out now and lose the DP rather than losing your pant. Kv still ok but jb kaboom soon. But relax. Maybe as you says just blow water. Watch out, kab00m!!

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post Aug 31 2014, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Aug 31 2014, 06:04 PM)
But I dont even pay dp woh... how to lose money kekekek.. thanks for helping me to kill time in airport. .. muahahaha
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Thank god you chicken out. Otherwise kaB0oM!
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post Sep 1 2014, 07:58 AM

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QUOTE(Babizz @ Sep 1 2014, 04:16 AM)
Cloud kor, did u buy any project/condo in JB? I'm starting to feel that u bought a condo that's more expensive than R&F but sad cos Princess Cove's location is the best (no doubt on that).

If the RTS materializes plus faster queue at the immigration, then zelphon, our super rich ManUtdGiggs and all the investors will be laughing their way to the bank. But if the train doesn't happen, then Cloud kor n me will be happy =)
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How i know of jb property when i m kv investor? Got some knowledge of jb market especially medini area coz i worked there b4 but never bought any so far.Just blow water here based on my observation. And all the negative news showing bubble forming in jb. I do have frens bought condo in Afiniti medini under capital land and landed property in botanic under eco world. Landed property is a safer bet. Which project do you think is more expensive than rf? I think more or less around the price. Not 100% sure as i never really survey coz no intention to buy. Anyway, non is cheap and worth it. Iskandar long way to go to be a matured town. Now is a ghost town. Very quiet at night. Majority buyers are investor fr singapore.Trust me all this kiasu ppl wont stay in jb. You really need powerful and strong holding power since everyone is investor especially singaporean. Nobody going to rent fr you. Talking about HSR, even materialised, you still have to hold on your investment for long time. But the main current issue now is supply exceed demand by so much. Market just cant absorb. Its crashing if gomen still do nothing to cool it down. The main culprit are the china developers. Imagine tomorrow they start throwing price when desperate, what going to happend to jb property price inclusive this sTandAlone pRoperty? Use some imagination la. Good luck.

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Sep 1 2014, 08:05 AM)
Bro I'm not an investor in jb. My kicimiao saving not enuf to buy any resi above 600psf. sweat.gif
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Gelang patah old shop and houses there is good for investment. Good rental. But price gone up so much last few years.
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TS and agent for this StandAlone ProperTY now gone hiding. No more defending his point. Talk is cheap. No liability. Bubble bursting soon. Still maintain claiming the staNdaLone teory? Even i have no vested interest, just beh tahan this kind of person's claim leading so many to holland. Just my 2cents.
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post Sep 1 2014, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Sep 1 2014, 09:34 AM)
+1. Manu giggs didnt buy la. He big chicken wont hew xiaomi. Thats y he only use apple n Samsung hahahah.
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Big chicken = bapak ayam?
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post Sep 1 2014, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Sep 1 2014, 09:44 AM)
Then gone up u ask him to buy??? Show him to holland is it
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So innocent. If someone ask you to jump fr 18storey, you will jump.
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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Sep 1 2014, 09:47 AM)
U talk until like that u win lo. Nobody wants to talk to u oredi kekekek. U make me sob sob... this is first condo investment sob sob. ..
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First condo investment. Kab00m!
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Property slowdown more evident in Johor BY JOHN LOH

Country Garden's project site in Danga Bay. Property agents say country Garden hasn't raised its maximum discount beyond 21% since launch day.

CRACKS are starting to show in Iskandar Malaysia’s once-booming property market.

UEM Sunrise Bhd, considered a bellwether to Iskandar, this week slashed its sales target for 2014 to RM2bil from RM3.2bil, citing weakness in the market for homes in the economic corridor south of Johor.

This comes as a slew of high-rise apartments – many of them from the China developers, and many of them on the waterfront – are set to flood the market.

And things could get worse before they get better.

A report in the Financial Times on Wednesday says China Vanke Co, the country’s biggest developer, is offering up to US$325,000 (RM1.02bil) in discounts via e-commerce site Taobao, to entice homebuyers amid slackening demand.

Sluggish sales and an oversupply in the second and third-tier Chinese cities are driving prices lower, Bloomberg reported.

Here, the talk among property circles is that Country Garden Holdings Co, which last year rolled out a record 9,000 high-rise units on the coastline enclave of Danga Bay, could follow suit.

It is believed that about half of the condominiums in Country Garden Danga Bay remain unsold, and the Guangdong-based property giant is now looking increasingly desperate to unload its stock by either hiking discounts of dropping prices, although the exact quantum is unknown.

Company officials did not respond to text messages from StarBizWeek seeking comment.

The Danga Bay project was launched with much fanfare last year at an average of RM900 per sq ft.

Most of the real estate firms in Johor Bahru have been roped in to sell homes for Country Garden Danga Bay, and it is dangling commissions of up to 8% versus the typical 2%-3% as an added incentive, brokers tell StarBizWeek.

In fact, says an agent, three people were spotted carrying sandwich boards near a bank in Johor Bahru last month advertising units in Country Garden Danga Bay. It is not clear who they were representing, but property executives speculate they could be acting for Country Garden’s foreign buyers.

Channel checks with agents reveal that the Phase 2 units are going for the same price for all floors, a departure from the usual practice of pricing the topmost levels at a premium.

Buyers can opt for the promotion price, which in some instances adds up to a 40% discount, provided they pay for the property in cash over several transactions. Doing so will shave RM300,000 off the price of a single-room unit measuring between 400 to 500 sq ft, which would normally cost RM800,000.

Country Garden hasn’t raised its maximum discount beyond 21% since launch day, say agents familiar with the matter, but it may not be long before the company has to dump prices.

Right next door, China’s state-owned Greenland Group will soon launch 2,478 units of apartments and townhouses, according to PA International Property Consultants Sdn Bhd executive director V. Sivadas.

R&F’s Princess Cove project will introduce about 3,000 units of apartments in the first phase, and another 30,000-plus units thereafter.

“There are also a few other projects in the Danga Bay area being prepared for similar types of developments,” he tells StarBizWeek via e-mail.

The problem here is clearly one of mismatch between demand and supply, Sivadas points out.

Demand remains strong for affordable homes costing below RM400,000, yet much of the new supply is heavily skewed towards high-rises.

“Our records indicate that slightly more than 100 high-rise projects scattered throughout Johor Bahru and Iskandar Malaysia, comprising a little over 100,000 units, are expected to come onstream in the next few years.

“One third of that is within the R&F site, and another 10% within known projects at Danga Bay, where Country Garden and Greenland are based.

“We expect more high-rise projects to be planned within waterfront areas in the Danga Bay region, such as Stulang Laut, Bayu Puteri and Puteri Harbour. The proposed Forest City at the Second Link in Nusajaya is another huge project on the horizon,” he quips.

All that has led to a visible slowdown over the past 10 months.

“Many investors, particularly foreigners (the main target for high-rise projects in the waterfront areas), appear to be adopting a wait-and-see attitude.

“We have not helped ourselves by changing policies and the price threshold limits. We, however, do not expect to see a crash in the market unless there is a catastrophic failure at the national, regional and global levels,” Sivadas notes.

“In property development, success is predominantly driven by demand, not supply. There is an urgent need to boost demand and facilitate ease of purchase by locals as well as foreigners.

“There needs to be more employment generators in Iskandar Malaysia and facilitated migration and immigration to ease or solve acute labour shortages across many sectors. There is also a need to seek a balance to ensure controls on speculative activity, which were prevalent for the past few years up to end-2013.

“In the meantime, the question almost everyone is asking is, who will occupy the vast numbers of high-rise, high-priced waterfront units which were mainly purchased for investment?” he asks.

“We are not sure at the moment.”

But there are bright spots, says Landserve (Johor) Sdn Bhd executive director Wee Soon Chit.

“I believe that value-for-money products will still see demand. For example, Botanika@Bayu Puteri (by Tebrau Teguh Bhd) is doing well because their prices range from RM430 to RM500 per sq ft.

“We expect the industrial sector to grow further due to demand from Singapore industrialists, especially the Jurong area. The Singapore government recently announced that the Jurong area will be re-zoned, and the victims will be industrial companies who have no choice but to relocate,” Wee reasons.

A number of recent Iskandar launches, like Sunway Bhd’s Citrine office suites and Eastern & Oriental Bhd’s Avira Terraces, were snapped up.

But sentiment could get worse in 2015-2016, when a large number of the high-rises sold during 2012 and 2013 are handed over, according to Maybank IB Research analyst Wong Wei Sum. The problem is especially acute in hotspots such as Nusajaya, Medini and Danga Bay.

“We welcome foreign direct investment into Johor, but not at the expense of the local players,” laments one industry executive.

“It was going so well until a couple of years ago. Now they seem to have killed the goose that laid the golden egg.”

While the Chinese may be accustomed to building thousands upon thousands of apartments, the Malaysian market simply can’t take that kind of volume, the executive says.

“I hope the market will cool just enough to make them realise that. The state government also needs to take a good, hard look at the situation.”

Source: The Star

After this news, all investors in jb will pull handbrakes. Balls shrinked. Market slow down until stand still. Then chinaman will start throwing price. Local developer will follow suit. Fire sales coming soon maybe on time to celebrate x'mas.



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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Sep 1 2014, 11:42 AM)
Jus wants to understand correctly...... Standalone prop means something like these right?.....  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Ask gogo2 to get accurate defination. But he gone hiding. No guts to defend his standAlOne proPeRty.

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QUOTE(Phoeni_142 @ Sep 1 2014, 11:43 AM)
Mr cloud

I find people that invest in johor full of hubris and ignorance,  if and only if they invest due to the iskandar hype.

Tons of over supply. Not to mention a politically charged arena where flip flops can occur?  Change in weekend days, anyone?

Singapore mortgage  npls are on the rise. You'll get your wish on kaboom soon enough.

Johor? Krakkkk ptui!
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On one hand, cooling measures like ltv70%, increase rpgt, bulk purchase rules, dibs scheme scrapped to cool down the overheated market. On the other hand, they are allowing mass properties launching and invasion by china developers. 180 degree turn around. 1Malai really boleh. All because of greed factor. KaB00mmm!!
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QUOTE(JudgeDredd @ Sep 1 2014, 12:09 PM)
Okok. Together we kaboom and Huat.
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Yes, judgement day.
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QUOTE(value_investor @ Sep 1 2014, 12:20 PM)
Malaysia is a free market, why would it stop foreign direct investment? It's buyers who need to so thier own due diligence.
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Gomen policy. We shld learn fr dubai.

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QUOTE(HELLO HELLO @ Sep 1 2014, 12:40 PM)
yeah. many singland pipu i met also prefer kl area.
they prefer invest in kl city and klang valley area.
they sibeh like to come to kl for holiday also.

now i look at johor and singapore. macam border in-between mexico and america.
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Mexico - america. Not that bad la. When amenities in iskandar fully developed, it will be a good place to stay and may attract singaporean to stay there. But looking at the pace of development, it will take at least another 10years to achieve this stage of development. Same like cyberjaya with good infra but ghost town at night because lack of amenities. Another main issue need to be addressed is the crime rate in jb. Its alarming.
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Sep 1 2014, 02:41 PM)
Wah birdy gor gua ngam ngam mau enter market wo. sweat.gif

Any gd words bout rnf ar???

B4 I sign, krakkk ptui!!!
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Serious you want to go in? You got balls.
However if you can the risk, thn ok. You can also take the oppurtunity to open bapak ayam business there.

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QUOTE(Phoeni_142 @ Sep 1 2014, 01:58 PM)
atlas ah.....you vested in JB is it?

Don't let your brain be taken over by Clouds lah....

really live and talk to singaporeans lah, can ah? Understand them better a bit, can ah? It's not a feasible option to have an investment strategy which hinges on the spillover effects from Singaporeans who want to live in JB.  In fact, it's almost oxymoronic.   

u give JB another 100 years, especially with the "brilliant" mentality of the leaders of this state......Singaporeans also won't touch JB for own stay.  Maybe 1 in 100,000 lah.  The middle class don't even trust our doctors here lah.  kiasu Singaporean parents bring their precious little lambs to stay in Johor? Blasphemy! They only believe in sing doctors lah..

The smart ones are those "iskandar guru's" - young & capable guru's who bring wannabe investors to Holland....

Johor? Krakkkk Ptui!
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Agreed with your point. To get kiasu singaporean stay in jb is an uphill task. Maybe for those not so rich. Lost facy.
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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Sep 1 2014, 03:05 PM)
no la.. i am worried the hole is too deep like a black hole.. suck your fingers till ur arms in muahahaha  rclxm9.gif

better find a shallow hole to practise cuntfu  icon_rolleyes.gif

tomolo i got to break her heart telling that i am married with children. We dont have future together because cloudy gor just reminded if i still stick with her i will lose my pants and other gals may see my 6.7  doh.gif
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Bro jz my 2cents. Decision still individual.

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