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TSienarab
post Jun 10 2014, 10:06 AM, updated 12y ago

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Guyz...
Need opinion from Car owners. notworthy.gif
I own a Grand Livina 1.6 (A) year 2012.

From my experience, GL is not so bad. Its sporty and easy handling.
But the problem is with the air cond.

Cause the air cond is only at front and rear passenger not so convenience and don't get the air cond, especially the last row.
Im not sure about Toyota Innova..

Can I get some input and comparison between GL and Innova....

How about the fuel consumption?
Any advice on maintenance?

Your advice and input will help me in make a final decision either change to Innova or remain with GL.
Thanks guyz...

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post Jun 10 2014, 11:31 AM

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innova ok. i drove it for a week. quite nice. more spacious and more high than grand livina. grand livina at last row is cramped like shit. innova also cramped like shit but more headroom so dont feel so cramped like shit.

fuel consumption grand livina better. i drove the livina and innova i feel the livina more han yau. maintanence same i think. u still need serbis so both also wont be pain 1.


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post Jun 10 2014, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(ienarab @ Jun 10 2014, 10:06 AM)
Guyz...
Need opinion from Car owners.  notworthy.gif
I own a Grand Livina 1.6 (A) year 2012.

From my experience, GL is not so bad. Its sporty and easy handling.
But the problem is with the air cond.

Cause the air cond is only at front and rear passenger not so convenience and don't get the air cond, especially the last row.
Im not sure about Toyota Innova..

Can I get some input and comparison between GL and Innova....

How about the fuel consumption?
Any advice on maintenance?

Your advice and input will help me in make a final decision either change to Innova or remain with GL.
Thanks guyz...
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Inova front back last row all got aircond
Kinfa underpowered unless u keep the rev high
fuel consumption 8-9km per litre average mix town and highway
mentenen normal je..
leg space last row is good better than livina cause middle row can adjust to front and back
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post Jun 10 2014, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(alwinnng @ Jun 10 2014, 02:18 PM)
Inova front back last row all got aircond
Kinfa underpowered unless u keep the rev high
fuel consumption 8-9km per litre average mix town and highway
mentenen normal je..
leg space last row is good better than livina cause middle row can adjust to front and back
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Ya lah, GL, only front got air cond, passenger and last row feel like in oven..
Im planning to sell my GL and take 2nd hand Innova, maybe 2010 or 2011, in mudah got, but all from car dealer...
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QUOTE(ienarab @ Jun 10 2014, 02:30 PM)
Ya lah, GL, only front got air cond, passenger and last row feel like in oven..
Im planning to sell my GL and take 2nd hand Innova, maybe 2010 or 2011, in mudah got, but all from car dealer...
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macam previous gen wish...only front aircond sweat.gif



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post Jun 10 2014, 04:18 PM

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Innova drink fuel like drimk water.
How many passenger are you talking about? FYI the 3rd row aka backseat are very uncomfortable.
So if only 5 person include driver then might as well get a sedan.

As for the aircond its using built-in overhead fan unit which sucks the air from front and blow to rear. can be very cold.
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post Jun 10 2014, 05:23 PM

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Why not Honda Freed?
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post Jun 10 2014, 05:27 PM

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If you are looking for MPV, Innova is better because of space....

Livina looks big on outside, inside is very cramp...my sister drives one. The rear seats are no better than Alza, At least Alza front and middle seats are more spacious.
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post Jun 10 2014, 06:42 PM

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Option for Exora or used Toyota Wish

Livina & innova too boring already.
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post Jun 10 2014, 08:58 PM

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post Jun 10 2014, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(cYus @ Jun 10 2014, 08:58 PM)
my honest opinion.. avoid Innova..

if you are going to ferry your family members, get the safest one you can afford and Innova is definitely not one of it..

I lost someone dear to me in an Innova, since then I am very alert on news of accidents involving Innova with fatalities of more than 1 occupant, and the average is 3 fatalities..

A lot of cases due to blown tyres, including in my case..

Sorry but heed my advice, get the safer one..
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While I agree that the Innova isn't a very safe car, and should be overlooked, I wonder if a blown tyre is the fault of the car, and not the owner. Now maybe other cars don't lead to death when a tyre blows, but otherwise... sounds more like cheapskate owners not changing their tyres in time, or not putting in enough air.
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post Jun 10 2014, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 10 2014, 11:49 PM)
While I agree that the Innova isn't a very safe car, and should be overlooked, I wonder if a blown tyre is the fault of the car, and not the owner. Now maybe other cars don't lead to death when a tyre blows, but otherwise... sounds more like cheapskate owners not changing their tyres in time, or not putting in enough air.
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If compare to sedan car, Innova definitely have higher chance of passenger getting hit if accident do occur in the
rear part. If a sedan car and Innova both involve in the same accident like being hit by a lorry from behind, which
car passenger have better survivor rate? not brainer question, rite?

Back to the TS question,

it depend on how many family member you need to fetch.

For GL, it drive more like a sedan car, body length same as sedan as well,
if the third row was used for keep good or standby only, then no problem
to own one, the FC was better than Innova, the maintenance shall be same.

For Innova, it you have big family member to fetch, why not ?
but due to long wheel base and heavy, the FC tend to be suffer abit,
the cost of maintenance shall be the same.

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post Jun 10 2014, 11:54 PM

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Livina aircond issue can be solved by installating an additional blower.

But the blower is kind of hard to find, I think this was discuss before in Livina thread.

Innova for me is just to fetch goods, Livina is still very much a family car with comfort in mind.
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depends on wats ur choice.
if u r willing to trade space and aircond for comfort and fc, den go ahead an get an innova.

innova is using van platform. so there is essentially no passenger comfort.
GL is the opposite case
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QUOTE(youngman28 @ Jun 10 2014, 11:12 PM)
If compare to sedan car, Innova definitely have higher chance of passenger getting hit if accident do occur in the
rear part. If a sedan car and Innova both involve in the same accident like being hit by a lorry from behind, which
car passenger have better survivor rate? not brainer question, rite?

Back to the TS question,

it depend on how many family member you need to fetch.

For GL, it drive more like a sedan car, body length same as sedan as well,
if the third row was used for keep good or standby only, then no problem
to own one, the FC was better than Innova, the maintenance shall be same.

For Innova, it you have big family member to fetch, why not ?
but due to long wheel base and heavy, the FC tend to be suffer abit,
the cost of maintenance shall be the same.
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He wants/needs an MPV though, so that is not the issue. The issue is that the Innova was designed by Indonesian or Indian engineers, like the Avanza. It was meant to be a cheap but spacious mode of transport. I highly doubt that safety considerations played any role in the development of that car.

Better get an Exora, if it has to stay affordable.
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post Jun 11 2014, 12:52 AM

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I used to be in the same position as you, choosing between Grand Livina, Innova and Avanza, and in the end I went with an Exora Bold premium. I don't think I need to elaborate on my choice as there are many threads around that will explain why.

Anyway if a foreign badge is a must, I strongly suggest the grand livina over the Innova. Again, there are many threads around that will elaborate why smile.gif
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post Jun 11 2014, 03:21 AM

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QUOTE(cYus @ Jun 10 2014, 08:58 PM)
my honest opinion.. avoid Innova..

if you are going to ferry your family members, get the safest one you can afford and Innova is definitely not one of it..

I lost someone dear to me in an Innova, since then I am very alert on news of accidents involving Innova with fatalities of more than 1 occupant, and the average is 3 fatalities..

A lot of cases due to blown tyres, including in my case..

Sorry but heed my advice, get the safer one..
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I thought innova is very safe. The best car i ever ride. I can evensleep in innova.so what cars u suggest for safety?
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post Jun 11 2014, 03:22 AM

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QUOTE(youngman28 @ Jun 10 2014, 11:12 PM)
If compare to sedan car, Innova definitely have higher chance of passenger getting hit if accident do occur in the
rear part. If a sedan car and Innova both involve in the same accident like being hit by a lorry from behind, which
car passenger have better survivor rate? not brainer question, rite?

Back to the TS question,

it depend on how many family member you need to fetch.

For GL, it drive more like a sedan car, body length same as sedan as well,
if the third row was used for keep good or standby only, then no problem
to own one, the FC was better than Innova, the maintenance shall be same.

For Innova, it you have big family member to fetch, why not ?
but due to long wheel base and heavy, the FC tend to be suffer abit,
the cost of maintenance shall be the same.
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How about compare innova with yaris? Which one safer?
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 11 2014, 03:21 AM)
I thought innova is very safe. The best car i ever ride. I can evensleep in innova.so what cars u suggest for safety?
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The Exora is probably better. Much better: Touran, Sharan, C4 Grand Picasso, 5008, ... I'd even trust an Alza more.

Are we talking about the Malaysian Yaris or the European Yaris? European Yaris... well, the Innova has an weight advantage, but the European Yaris is quite good. Malaysian Yaris, no clue. It's a new Vios without the boot, which is a facelifted old Vios, which is a downgraded version of the previous gen European Yaris. The Malaysian Yaris certainly isn't at the height of safety tech, for that you'll have to look (in the B segment) towards the Kia Rio, Peugeot 208, Ford Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost. The Preve is probably safer than those though, and it is cheaper.
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post Jun 11 2014, 08:53 AM

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2nd the opinion for d Exora over d Innova. Just make sure its d CFE version. U really cant get anything else tis size with rear passenger aircon at tis age n price.

In my opinion Innovas would b d choice if u need a tough vehicle with maximum space/passenger for d least price. But in terms of refinement, fc n maybe safety there's loads of variety out there that beats it.

1st generation Wish r also nice coz u get slightly better last row space but it also suffers from d lack of cold air at the back. D similarly aged yet cheaper Stream 2.0's space is just a smidgen behind d Wish but it has a dedicated last row aircon blower though its fitted just above d right side arm rest.

Other comparable options to 'upgrade' from ur GL wit rear air con
- 2nd gen Nissan Serena 2.0 (6/7 seater)
- Hyundai Santa Fe 2.2 Diesel (SUV)

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 11 2014, 04:53 AM)
The Exora is probably better. Much better: Touran, Sharan, C4 Grand Picasso, 5008, ... I'd even trust an Alza more.

Are we talking about the Malaysian Yaris or the European Yaris? European Yaris... well, the Innova has an weight advantage, but the European Yaris is quite good. Malaysian Yaris, no clue. It's a new Vios without the boot, which is a facelifted old Vios, which is a downgraded version of the previous gen European Yaris. The Malaysian Yaris certainly isn't at the height of safety tech, for that you'll have to look (in the B segment) towards the Kia Rio, Peugeot 208, Ford Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost. The Preve is probably safer than those though, and it is cheaper.
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How about malaysian fortuner? Is a car without airbag still safety? Does an mpv have more safety than sedan or other way round?
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post Jun 11 2014, 12:29 PM

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Thanks Guyz....
I took some times to finish and understands all of the input given.
Means, I read and make my self understands and I try to take it from your point of view.
I think I will stick with this GL...
BTW, i'm not driving the car everyday, sometimes only.
Traveling with family members once in a while.

Thanks guyz, u all are so great
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QUOTE(cYus @ Jun 10 2014, 08:58 PM)
my honest opinion.. avoid Innova..

if you are going to ferry your family members, get the safest one you can afford and Innova is definitely not one of it..

I lost someone dear to me in an Innova, since then I am very alert on news of accidents involving Innova with fatalities of more than 1 occupant, and the average is 3 fatalities..

A lot of cases due to blown tyres, including in my case..

Sorry but heed my advice, get the safer one..
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tolong la

simpan sikit bodoh....lain kali boleh guna lagi

tyre bust caused accident is owner problem cheapskate tak mau tukar tyre

i have not come across such stupid statement by stupid , if there is a car that driving at a speed and tyre bust will not crash...please let me know


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nobody mentioned stream or rsz? why ah? im a big fan of those car. planning get this end year...
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 11 2014, 10:13 AM)
How about malaysian fortuner? Is a car without airbag still safety? Does an mpv have more safety than sedan or other way round?
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If you are desperate to find a car less safe than the Innova, there's always the Perodua Viva. laugh.gif

You can't look at it in absolute terms. Some sedans are better than some MPVs and vice versa.

Generally speaking European and American consumers are the pickiest in terms of safety. That's why typically cars meant for those markets are the safest, because otherwise people won't buy them. Also, the newer the car DESIGN, the better. A brand new car which has been in production for 15 years is probably not as good as a 2 year old car that was launched 2 years ago. That is if all the tech and knowledge that was available at the time of development was put into the car. A car that was launched recently, but wasn't designed with safety in mind, just with production cost for example, won't be as safe as an older car where safety was a big concern.

ASEAN customers don't really care (enough), so models meant for them are... not that great. It is shifting a bit in Malaysia though. Proton for example puts a lot of effort into making their NEW models safer. The Waja got a poor rating, so did the Persona/Gen-2 (probably around 2 stars?). The Saga did better (3 stars), the Exora better yet (said to be 4 stars), the Preve and Suprima S have reached the standard of European cars and the best Japan has to offer. 5 stars.

Then there are several things to pay attention to. Generally speaking higher riding cars (MPVs, vans, SUVs, pickups), especially with a soft suspension, tend to roll more likely or can simply lose control. They are more likely to crash on their own. They do have a mass advantage, i.e. if say a pickup runs into a Viva, it will not slow down that much, the Viva has to absorb most of the forces. i.e. you'll kill the Viva passengers by running through it.

Stability control helps with the losing control part, which makes it especially important for those big, tall vehicles like MPVs. In general it is the most important safety feature a car can have, apart from seatbelts. More important than airbags. It also saves a lot of money, since it helps AVOIDING accidents. You're more likely able to steer away from an accident, and to stay in control of the car.

Then the part that is supposed to save your life/reduce injuries when an accident did happen.

For example the airbags. They only work together with seatbelts, because basically they are big explosions contained by a bag. Since the airbag needs to get "soft" before your head hits it, it needs to fill up with air very quickly. If you are already where the airbag will inflate at the time where it is still being filled with air, it is like being punched in the face. Very hard. While your head and body are moving towards the fist. But when wearing a seatbelt, when the car senses an accident and triggers the airbag it will also trigger explosives in the seat that will pull on the seatbelt, basically pulling you towards the seat. Then you will be slowly released so that your chest isn't injured too much. The airbag will then protect your head from hitting hard parts of the car at a very high speed. It will be a bit softer, and that's what saves lives.

The airbag needs to be where your head is moving towards, i.e. front airbags only help when you have a frontal collision. Side airbags, curtain airbags etc. only help when you have a side impact, so your body doesn't hit the door frame or window.

But all the airbags in the world don't help if the area where you are sitting collapses. You'll be squeezed to death. So a strong passenger structure is important as well.

And finally there is the crumple zone, the front end of the car basically. It should get rid of the engine if necessary (because the engine doesn't compress, but is pushed into the passenger area where it'll crush your legs), and otherwise crumple so that the area where you are sitting in isn't stopped as abruptly as possible. If the area is too soft, your tougher passenger area is stopped too abruptly, and you'll get injured by hitting the interior of the car. If the area is too hard, your tougher passenger area is stopped too abruptly, and you'll get injured by hitting the interior of the car.

So saying that one class of car is safer than another doesn't really work that well, and each feature has their own purpose, designed to protect you in one or another situation. They have to work together to protect you.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Jun 11 2014, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Jun 11 2014, 01:00 PM)
tolong la

simpan sikit bodoh....lain kali boleh guna lagi

tyre bust caused accident is owner problem cheapskate tak mau tukar tyre

i have not come across such stupid statement by stupid , if there is a car that driving at a speed and tyre bust will not crash...please let me know
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 11 2014, 06:21 PM)
If you are desperate to find a car less safe than the Innova, there's always the Perodua Viva. laugh.gif

You can't look at it in absolute terms. Some sedans are better than some MPVs and vice versa.

Then there are several things to pay attention to. Generally speaking higher riding cars (MPVs, vans, SUVs, pickups), especially with a soft suspension, tend to roll more likely or can simply lose control. They are more likely to crash on their own. They do have a mass advantage, i.e. if say a pickup runs into a Viva, it will not slow down that much, the Viva has to absorb most of the forces. i.e. you'll kill the Viva passengers by running through it.

Stability control helps with the losing control part, which makes it especially important for those big, tall vehicles like MPVs. In general it is the most important safety feature a car can have, apart from seatbelts. More important than airbags. It also saves a lot of money, since it helps AVOIDING accidents. You're more likely able to steer away from an accident, and to stay in control of the car.

Then the part that is supposed to save your life/reduce injuries when an accident did happen.

For example the airbags. They only work together with seatbelts, because basically they are big explosions contained by a bag. Since the airbag needs to get "soft" before your head hits it, it needs to fill up with air very quickly. If you are already where the airbag will inflate at the time where it is still being filled with air, it is like being punched in the face. Very hard. While your head and body are moving towards the fist. But when wearing a seatbelt, when the car senses an accident and triggers the airbag it will also trigger explosives in the seat that will pull on the seatbelt, basically pulling you towards the seat. Then you will be slowly released so that your chest isn't injured too much. The airbag will then protect your head from hitting hard parts of the car at a very high speed. It will be a bit softer, and that's what saves lives.

The airbag needs to be where your head is moving towards, i.e. front airbags only help when you have a frontal collision. Side airbags, curtain airbags etc. only help when you have a side impact, so your body doesn't hit the door frame or window.

But all the airbags in the world don't help if the area where you are sitting collapses. You'll be squeezed to death. So a strong passenger structure is important as well.

And finally there is the crumple zone, the front end of the car basically. It should get rid of the engine if necessary (because the engine doesn't compress, but is pushed into the passenger area where it'll crush your legs), and otherwise crumple so that the area where you are sitting in isn't stopped as abruptly as possible. If the area is too soft, your tougher passenger area is stopped too abruptly, and you'll get injured by hitting the interior of the car. If the area is too hard, your tougher passenger area is stopped too abruptly, and you'll get injured by hitting the interior of the car.

So saying that one class of car is safer than another doesn't really work that well, and each feature has their own purpose, designed to protect you in one or another situation. They have to work together to protect you.
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Thank you for your detail explanation bro notworthy.gif

So I can conclude to ride sedan actually safer than any high ride cars like hatchback,MPV and SUV?
May I know how to get the car which has more stability because what I know sedan is perfect for stability and Innova actually has better stability than Avanza right?

how about the safety of this prospective car in malaysia?

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 11 2014, 10:41 PM)
Thank you for your detail explanation bro  notworthy.gif

So I can conclude to ride sedan actually safer than any high ride cars like hatchback,MPV and SUV?
May I know how to get the car which has more stability because what I know sedan is perfect for stability and Innova actually has better stability than Avanza right?

how about the safety of this prospective car in malaysia?

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Well, yes and no. Higher mass is, very roughly, also a good thing.

But I would say sedans are more likely to be better, but really I don't want to generalize like that biggrin.gif

If you want good safety without paying much your best bet are the Preve/Suprima and the upcoming Myvi competitor by Proton. Also any 6 airbag car with stability control on offer in Malaysia is probably a safe bet compared to the 2 airbag/no stability control ones that are offered.

The Datsun is most likely a 3rd world budget model, I would not expect much.

 

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