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post Aug 25 2014, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Aug 25 2014, 02:56 PM)
I tot the contract for SGPV also included money to upgrade the BHS shipyard. So, why should we buy foreign ships when BHS will eventually capable of doing so? Purchase for more surface ships aint coming in near future anyway..

our neighbours buy new ships and weaponry, kita meleleh je tengok..takper, janji handbag baru akak tu leh beli..
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BHS no capable to build warship, some more BHS only built first time kedah class project, not consider well know-how to built warship yet specially system integration. Gov maybe can consider new 500~600 tons FAC ask BHS to propose and built a sample ship to try out if good can buy more units, so they can get more experience.

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post Aug 25 2014, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 25 2014, 03:18 PM)
Sleep upgrade on the Kasturi class is done by boustead.
they should have the experience to do it.
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upgrade more easy than complete new design and built new warship. that why we can try own built 500~600 tons warship first which less risk, just like indo built KCR-40/60 first。 any wrong still can use as MMEA patrol boat.

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post Aug 25 2014, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Aug 25 2014, 03:18 PM)
27ngpv? i though already cancelled after only 6 was ordered (kedah class)
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no cancel lah, project is continue, LCS is second phase of SGVP project.
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post Aug 25 2014, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 25 2014, 03:25 PM)
Wait am I missing something here.
Y are we doing these?
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Navy looking replace Perdana/Hadalan FMC with new one on next RMK,so is good time for BHS if they can come out own design of Fast Missile boat and propose to Navy. Navy just need 60~80 meter FMC, tons around 500~1200 (depend body material) so we can get more cheap built cost.

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post Aug 25 2014, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 25 2014, 03:37 PM)
I see.
But then were they able to do two project at the same times?
I want it to be open bidding instead.
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That is question,
After BHS shipyard upgrade, they can construct 3 ship at one go. they sure how to adjust schedule.
Other think BHS can consider take over NGVTech so small warship can built over there.
usually will open tender, just want local built, or join oversea shipbuilding like Meko- with B&V, Gowind with DCNS, Gagah Samudara with DSME

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QUOTE(thpace @ Aug 25 2014, 04:02 PM)
hemm... they are even capable to build sheep in open docks whistling.gif
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Alot warship also built in open docks, include Aircraft Carrier.
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post Aug 25 2014, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 25 2014, 04:18 PM)
According to Dzirhan in his recent Janes article that Boustead is the lead contender in taking over NGV Tech.
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Actually Labuan Shipyard & Engineering also can , they have more applicability to built bigger ship than BHS. dont why they not get navy shipbuilding contract, but have navy ship maintenance contract

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post Aug 25 2014, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(trouble_chegu @ Aug 25 2014, 04:37 PM)
Labuan shipyard? Asyik tkar ceo ja 2
Balik2 tkar coz songlap duit projek
Tarak buleh pakai punya shipyard
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i see, noted.
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post Aug 25 2014, 04:40 PM

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post Aug 25 2014, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Aug 25 2014, 04:44 PM)
ngv tech and bns is different? i thot ngv tech screw up ngpv so bns take over it?? shocking.gif
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offcouse different, 2 is different company, NGV tech built RMN training ship. BHS take over PSC-Naval Dockyard to continue ngpv.
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post Aug 25 2014, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Aug 25 2014, 09:01 PM)
bole pm me also? interested to know haha tongue.gif
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i also interested, can PM me .... if P&C than nvm lah
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post Aug 25 2014, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Aug 25 2014, 08:43 PM)
wait til I pm you
but financial is not the real problem
they have a strong financial background that's why they get the job at the first place
things done there in a clockwork until the problem arise
ada kat tanah arab
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last 2 year the NGV Tech event want buy Korea Shipbuilding too. for got name liao.
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post Aug 26 2014, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Aug 26 2014, 04:07 PM)
get lhd like dokdo better ma, got ldp and lst capabilities plus heli
btw why dont get hms ocean type of lhd, cheap and big  biggrin.gif
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The price to get is expensive, easy price up to 500 million euro, also is too big and operation cost is high.
other to consider our navy base size capacity.
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post Aug 26 2014, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Aug 26 2014, 04:33 PM)
waste time la thinking about aegis, type 45 or fremm..kedah-class pun tak pasang2 lagi rudalnya
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Destroyer is to costly for our navy. actually he means is Anti-Air Warfare Frigate, but like Aegis style with 4 direction fix panel AESA radar about 300km surveillance range, example like DCNS Fremm-EL, we should have 2~3 unit as role Air-defense on sea, also act as Command ship for Gowind or other RMN corvettes/Frigate. cost not much higher like destroyer. if built in france, cost around USD 600~800 million each depend spec.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Aug 26 2014, 05:20 PM)
am i the only one that thinks scorpene too small  whistling.gif
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Get 2 new Scorpene 2000 AIP also ok lah. already more bugger.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Aug 26 2014, 05:39 PM)
bunga mas 5&6 only auxiliary vessel, i think they carry one or two heli and machine gun only, not enuff to be lhd unless use 200,000 ton freighter and make super big landing space plus cannot land troops/tanks/trucks
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If can accept bunga mas 5/6, RMN should be can accept Indo made Banjarmasin-class LPD (SSV) , anyway it just low cost ship with USD 50 million each,no Financial pressure for gov to purchase. buy 1 & 2 unit put in semporna as sea base mothership, and functionality more better due to full military LDP design, operation more easy as military ship.

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post Aug 27 2014, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(edliew07 @ Aug 26 2014, 10:49 PM)
Indonesian know how to stretch their defence budget when it come to buying ships. Beside the 3 Nakhoda Ragam, local build such as their FAC, LPD and now LST are doing pretty well. Even though the LPD and the LST were derive from existing commercial design and built grade ship, it does help speed up in their number of navy hulls. Their ToT, unlike ours, are never gone to waste as they continue to build in volume.
Biggest different can be seen is they buy with defence in mind. Our government have been buying with trade balance as priority, defence as second. Our Hawk, Mig-29N, PT-91M... were all chosen partly because of this. As if not bad enough, our former PM Tun M started the drive to build up local defence industries by subjecting all procurement and maintenance to go through local bumiputra companies which only created more unjustifiable cost. To ensure this policy being follow up, priority is always at local defence industries first, defence second. Latest example to this is our navy Gowind procurement which not only fork out billions to expend BNS shipyard but also the requirement of RMN is being dictated to by BNS and it license partners.
Let hope MAF will have a bigger budget to work with in the coming years as we need to divide the share of it with our local defence industries...
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a lot think we can't compare to Indonesia, they still have 10x more population than as which help them for economic grow, 3x more economic power for now, you can see from 2016 start there Military budget will increase double from now, no no issue for them to continue to build military hardware in big quantity. in 2025+ start they will be world top 5 economic power in world. no surprise one day they event have Aircarft Carrier. Is all about economic power.

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German fighter jets unable to fly and mechanics forced to borrow spare parts, claims magazine
A report in Spiegel magazine says German air force is weaker than previously thought and a funding crisis means scores of aircraft are not operational

full news .... below link...

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QUOTE(afh_sho @ Aug 27 2014, 02:06 PM)
just saw a C-17 lifting of from Subang AFB..any info?
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UAE Airforce C17..... if not wrong, just stop for refuel.
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Kerjasama Militer Indonesia - Spanyol ( meninjau Eurofighter Typhoon - Airbus A400M)

Sevilla. Menteri Pertahanan Indonesia, Purnomo Yusgiantoro mengunjungi Airbus Military di Sevilla Spanyol untuk meninjau produksi pesawat angkut A400 dan Petempur Eurofighter. “Dalam kunjungan ini Menhan sekaligus akan menghadiri peluncuran dan serah terima simbolik produksi ke-6 pesawat C295,” ujar Atase Pertahanan RI Madrid Kol. Laut (E) Agus Adriyanto kepada detikcom, Selasa (5/2/2014).

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