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post Jun 11 2014, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jun 11 2014, 02:23 PM)
With Sipadan and Ligitan, Indonesians reluctantly accepted it. There's no protest whatsoever. But the anger flared up with Ambalat and subsequent incidents. Indonesians think why didn't Malaysia do this during the New Order era.

TVRI often used the word "serumpun" in New Order era and Indonesians view on Malaysia was good. Now, that word is seen with cynicism by many Indonesians, as a word without meaning. Malaysia will try to provoke when Indonesia during its weakest times, a country with hidden ill intention towards Indonesia.

Relationship with British isn't really the reason. Indonesia has very close relationship with British too. Even SBY received knighthood, Order of Bath recently.
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with the Ambalat incident, I have to agree and symphatize with u guys...trying to take over Ambalat was a douche move
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post Jun 11 2014, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jun 11 2014, 02:23 PM)
With Sipadan and Ligitan, Indonesians reluctantly accepted it. There's no protest whatsoever. But the anger flared up with Ambalat and subsequent incidents. Indonesians think why didn't Malaysia do this during the New Order era.

TVRI often used the word "serumpun" in New Order era and Indonesians view on Malaysia was good. Now, that word is seen with cynicism by many Indonesians, as a word without meaning. Malaysia will try to provoke when Indonesia during its weakest times, a country with hidden ill intention towards Indonesia.

Relationship with British isn't really the reason. Indonesia has very close relationship with British too. Even SBY received knighthood, Order of Bath recently.
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Somehow I feel the media plays this tune as well, got even anti-msian reports as well

I remember when the malindo 2013 parachute jump with both country, but the weather is bad and all of them got way off target
One channel reports all msian paras off target, but says indo paras is right on target
Then another channel reports both msian and indo paras all off target
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 11 2014, 02:25 PM)
with the Ambalat incident, I have to agree and symphatize with u guys...trying to take over Ambalat was a douche move
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post Jun 11 2014, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Jun 11 2014, 02:33 PM)
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I know, but it was inside Indo's territory, so whats with the douchebagattry on our part?
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 11 2014, 02:39 PM)
I know, but it was inside Indo's territory, so whats with the douchebagattry on our part?
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That's what i mean. When it come to oil, everyone become a douchebag.
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post Jun 11 2014, 04:35 PM

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Beyond defense modernization

Evan A. Laksmana, New York | Opinion | Wed, June 11 2014, 9:42 AM

As the presidential race heats up, contenders are putting forth their visions, including their defense policy agendas.

In the absence of a specific and solid vision from former general Prabowo Subianto, the propositions of Joko “Jokowi” Widodo are the best we have — and worth examining further.

According to his 41-page action plan, he has four main defense priorities.

First, continue supporting the professionalism of the Indonesian Military (TNI) by improving soldiers’ welfare and its main weapons systems by increasing the defense budget to 1.5 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) within five years.

Second, seek defense independence by reducing foreign technological imports, strengthening the domestic defense industry and diversifying Indonesia’s defense partnerships.

Third, complete the military’s Minimum Essential Force (MEF) blueprint and build it so that it eventually becomes a respectable maritime force in East Asia.

Finally, place defense policy as an integral part of a comprehensive and resilient national security system that reorders various defense, internal security, public safety and human security functions managed by the National Security Council (DKN).

The DKN has been among the centerpieces of Indonesia’s post-authoritarian security reform — but its creation has thus far been fraught by difficulties in passing the national security bill.

A regional maritime power vision, meanwhile, hinges on the first two priorities — perhaps better encapsulated by “defense modernization”.

Indeed, Indonesia has been in a decade-long drive to obtain state-of-the-art weaponry, including, among others, more than 100 main battle tanks, several attack submarines and corvettes, a few squadrons of multi-role fighters and ground-attack aircraft, as well as dozens of new infantry fighting vehicles.

Indonesia’s next president, however, should look beyond “defense modernization” and consider instead a well-rounded “defense transformation” agenda.

Firstly, transformation is not only about increasing the defense budget. It is about strategically spending it.

While Indonesia’s defense budget has more than tripled in the past decade, it has never constituted more than 1 percent of GDP; a comparatively small proportion for a nation of 250 million spread over 17,000 islands. Thus, Jokowi’s “1.5 percent of GDP” goal is a step in the right direction.

But around two-thirds of the budget has traditionally been for personnel-related costs rather than for acquisition and research and development (R&D).

According to IHS Jane’s projections, personnel spending between 2010 and 2017 will, on average, be around US$4.79 billion annually, while procurement and R&D spending will average $1.45 billion and $150 million, respectively. This ratio is unsustainable if becoming a regional maritime force is a serious goal.

Secondly, assuming that defense autarchy could be achieved — though many studies have told us otherwise — how we reinvigorate the domestic defense industrial base while integrating it with the broader national economy and the underdeveloped human capital, technological know-how and basic infrastructure, remains a question mark.

This is particularly the case when the 2012 Defense Industry Law’s technological offset, countertrade and joint venture policies relating to foreign arms deals have been criticized for their lofty and vague benchmarks as well as for failing to account for a lack of transparency in procurement procedures. Transparency International’s Government Defense Anti-Corruption Index lists Indonesia as a “very high risk” country.

Thirdly, while diversifying defense partners is intuitively appealing — especially given the disastrous arms embargo of the 1990s — our arms spree over the past two decades has gradually become supplier-driven rather than capabilities-driven.

As a result, the TNI has been operating 173 different medium and advanced weapon platforms imported from 17 different countries by 2006. This entails significant costs in terms of long-term maintenance and personnel training — not to mention the more than occasional operational readiness and interoperability problems.

Fourthly, the absence of coherent, long-term capabilities planning and a tri-service institutional structure and culture means that arms modernization has been reduced to a shopping list for individual services.

The blueprint for the MEF lists each service’s required platforms without considering associated integration, maintenance and training costs — or the need for long-term platform alignment and standardization plans. Further, total procurement spending is to be divided almost evenly between the Army, Navy and Air Force until 2024; despite the three services’ different operational readiness, capability requirements and imbalanced force sizes, as well as Indonesia’s predominantly maritime geostrategic position.

Finally, transformation requires a focus on more elementary challenges: personnel management, military education and training, and organizational structure.

The launch of the Indonesian Defense University in 2009, offering graduate-level education to both civilians and military personnel, is a step in the right direction — as is the recent prioritization of education and training by TNI leaders

However, a review of the TNI’s education curricula suggests that non-military (mostly sociopolitical) courses continue to make up a significant proportion of available classes, though to a lesser extent than under the New Order. Thus, we need to accelerate ongoing efforts to revamp the TNI’s operational doctrines as the lynchpin of educational reform.

Meanwhile, even though overseas education and training opportunities have expanded, messy personnel policies have created promotional logjams as the number of available posts shrunk while the officer corps grew from around 46,000 in 2004 to more than 52,000 in 2009. Consequently, tours of duty and area have become shorter while higher educational qualifications potentially drag career prospects.

More importantly, the TNI’s current Order of Battle still reflects the New Order organizational structure. Too many personnel are allocated to “territorial” postings rather than combat commands and posts. This structure needs to be revamped. A leaner tri-service command oriented more toward the changing external strategic environment and less toward internal security and staffed with better-educated officers, can capitalize on advanced technology to compensate for reductions in territorial personnel.

The bottom line is that defense transformation is not about fulfilling material needs. It is about institutional and paradigmatic shifts on how the military views and structures itself, educates and trains its members, as well as how it equips itself and plans to fight.


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post Jun 11 2014, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 11 2014, 04:35 PM)
1.5 percent GDP defense budget...that will be at least $20 billion in 2019

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 11 2014, 02:39 PM)
I know, but it was inside Indo's territory, so whats with the douchebagattry on our part?
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well..our oil deposits are quite small around Sabah/Terengganu/Kelantan..we need more earth's resource..and the way i see it, M'sia left with two choices, Spratly Islands or Ambalat..since Spratly are crawling with the mighty China..so we eyeing Ambalat.. hmm.gif
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Somehow I spotted HangPC2 lurking there, giler beran
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post Jun 11 2014, 06:07 PM

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Striving Towards Closer M’sia-China Military Ties

"Keeping Your Friends Close, But Your Enemies Closer"

It seems that history has been repeated again these days with Malaysia, after having been able to dodge the frenzy of War On Terror’s “Either With Us or Against Us” policy which puts the country under immense pressure to remain to be seen by the super power as a moderate and neutral Muslim majority country.

This was further aggravated through rise of China since the last decade which had sparked the resurgence of tensions between countries (including Malaysia) over disputed maritime territories in the South China Sea. Malaysia has again been sandwiched between the reemergence of China as the rising super power in the Pacific and the United State’s “Pivot In the Pacific” check and balance policy. As similar as the past decade, Malaysia has been put again under the crucial and tough decision of choosing sides.

Neutrality and moderation have long dictated Malaysia’s foreign policies which have also successfully guarantees the peace and prosperity as well as sovereignty of this country. It’s a matter of “Keeping Your Friends Close, But Your Enemies Closer”. Instead of straining necks with these two giants, why not try to deepen and strengthen diplomatic ties and channels with the two.

As can be seen through the US-Malaysian bi-lateral relationship, it seems that ever since the Obama taking charge of the office from the previous “Cowboy style, Mano-el-Mano” Bush Administration, the relationship between the two has improved significantly.

Yet, in order for not to be seen as a country eager to be too close with the US, Malaysia has strive to also maintained close relationship with China. The relationship between the two has been at its highest level ever since the late Prime Minister Tun Razak made his inaugural visit to China in the 1970′s, yet there’s still a lot to be done before this relationship could mature to a level similar to those enjoyed by this country with the United States.

Despite strong economic ties, military relationship between China and Malaysia is still limited. Aside from military visits by the two countries top officials as well as very limited procurement of weapon system (the FN-6 MANPADS), the two countries has not had ever conducted joint, bi-lateral military exercises like what Malaysia has done with other regional and international partners.

Furthermore, Malaysia’s defence equipment procurement has long being sourced from countries such as the United States, Europe (both Western and Eastern), South Korea as well as ASEAN region. But never from China though the FN-6 could be considered as an exception.

The recent signing of MoU in China pertaining the LY-80 medium range SAM system could be seen as the new beginning of a more serious defence equipment procurement  between the two country. But this could only be materialised only if the Government decided to proceed with the procurement of the LY-80 SAMs.

China has put into card a hard to resist offer in the means of technological transfer to Malaysia. Having able to license assemble or license produce SAM systems (of whatever categories) could contribute to strategic self-reliance in the country’s defence. Nevertheless, combat reliability and operational experience still cast the doubt on Chinese-made weapon’s capabilities. A typical stigma of Chinese-made product of all types and categories.

Over the past years, China shipbuilder has long offered the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) its Type 071 LPD to fill in the Multi Role Ship (MRS) requirement. Afterall, the Type 071 LPD is not a stranger in this part of the world, having had involved in territorial disputes with Malaysia in the James Shoal as well as working side-by-side together during the SAROPS for the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) Flight MH 370.

Recently, Prime Minister Najib, during his visit to China has also echoes the same about having closer military ties. Nevertheless, should both countries strive towards the same goal, perhaps the FN-6, LY-80 and Type 071 LPD could be the best medium to promote such close relationships. It’s hard to think of having Chinese made jets, tanks or combat vessels in the Malaysian service but procuring SAMs and sealift ships might be seen as the logical way, at least to appease each other diplomatically.

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Local production of FN-6 could benefit not only the industry (SMEO) but also non GAPU air defence units such as the RMN PPU and the RMAF Regiment

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It’s about time GAPU being empower with SAM systems such as the LY-80

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There’s no harm to procure Type 071 LPD. Perhaps it would be better than having second-hand, vintage Austin-class LPD

Cont reading at malaysiaflyingherald
http://malaysiaflyingherald.wordpress.com/...-military-ties/
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U.S. Marines + Malaysian Army Paratroopers + USS Ashland with U.S. Navy Sailors at sea + LCACs and AAVs bound for the beach = CARAT Malaysia Amphibious Exercise 2014

Sauce: https://www.facebook.com/Exercise.CARAT/pho...?type=1&theater
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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Jun 11 2014, 05:58 PM)
Thank you for ur side of story. Just let u know.. personaly i think malaysian doesnt have any issues with indo. If wut u have told is true then .. it is not malaysian fault. i mean the people. maybe MY gov abit douche. but your media shoud stop portray malaysian ppl does not respect u guys as a neighbor. peace  icon_rolleyes.gif
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no one can stop what media says in here, even the president, few years ago some media says negative news about president, and what our president do? nothing.. about sipadan and ligitan.. please read the story before the court happen, we respect the court and the result, but we dont like the process, we angry, but not for malaysia, but for our own government, but a lot of us has move on.. until ambalat case happen, for that reason, TNI and minister of defense got their ammo for parliament to boost defense spending and both parliament and peoples agree with no question.. i agree with a lot of people in here.. peace and respect.. but politics make it ruined..

btw in kaskus.. if u want to read about military news, please go to military forum, if u go to lounge forum, lots of them are just kiddies and newbie.. on military forum, see who speak in there, there are people from the army, sales, arms industry, enthusiast and of course troll..
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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Jun 11 2014, 07:22 PM)
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U.S. Marines + Malaysian Army Paratroopers + USS Ashland with U.S. Navy Sailors at sea + LCACs and AAVs bound for the beach = CARAT Malaysia Amphibious Exercise 2014

Sauce: https://www.facebook.com/Exercise.CARAT/pho...?type=1&theater
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post Jun 11 2014, 09:02 PM

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A rather interesting piece of model in RMAF Deputy Chief of Staff office

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LY-80 sam model brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(James Bum @ Jun 10 2014, 08:24 AM)
Ah... kalau cam tu sampai sini mungkin harga jadi 20 million  biggrin.gif
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compare to Ah-6i, i more prefer to Airbus Helicopter AS550-C3 Fennec (military version with amour) Single engine, our pilot more experience on Fennec and more multi-function, support facility also no issue, Thai also bought 8 unit with usd 6.5 million each in 2011, 2014 maybe around 8 million +-.

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 11 2014, 09:02 PM)
A rather interesting piece of model in RMAF Deputy Chief of Staff office

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LY-80 sam model  brows.gif  brows.gif
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i see a ground master400 is that correct under it?
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 11 2014, 09:02 PM)
A rather interesting piece of model in RMAF Deputy Chief of Staff office

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LY-80 sam model  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Nice, at least this means the local MOU company ady had meeting with RMAF for prospect of this particular sam

Wait, GAPU under who again? army? or air force?
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Jun 11 2014, 10:09 PM)
Nice, at least this means the local MOU company ady had meeting with RMAF for prospect of this particular sam

Wait, GAPU under who again? army? or air force?
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well, according to wiki, GAPU under TUDM..
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 11 2014, 10:29 PM)
well, according to wiki, GAPU under TUDM..
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apparently last I checked GAPU is under Tentera Darat.

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