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Moogle Stiltzkin
post Jun 30 2015, 10:25 PM

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post Jul 1 2015, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Jun 30 2015, 10:25 PM)
not quite sure whats the differences are exactly between ahva and ah-ips, but looking at the review the gsync 144hz 1440p ahva ips monitor performs well in terms of

1. refresh latency 5.5ms (ahva ips) vs 1ms (tn panels)
2. no overshot. basically the overdrive results on average settings was excellent.
3. input latency is class 1 which is perfect for gaming. even with gsync enabled the latency didn't increase by much to affect this.

overall seems the Acer XB270HU 27-in 1440P 144Hz IPS G-Sync is the monitor of the year doh.gif

there is an asus ips ahva monitor same size specs but is using freesync. but according to the reviews, the freesync doesn't perform as well as g-sync when comparing those 2 particular monitors anyway when it came to high and low vrr window. e.g. was capped at 90hz, whereas the acer was at 144hz. and the asus though minimum is 35 which is lower than the other freesync monitors i've seen, it still doesn't beat gsync method for handling when fps dips that low even to as low as 1fps. freesync just doesn't handle under vrr window as well as gsync unfortunately.

but there is the 100-200 usd price difference usually between a freesync and gsync monitor .... thats a lot of money .... but then again your also bound depending on whether you decide to get an ati or nvidia gpu ...... it's unfortunate that nvidia in particular created this intentional lockdown on consumers being able to choose between gsync and freesync monitors without being locked out due to gpu brand choice ....

that said i'm waiting for pascal and getting that.
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Due to branding and rights. IPS is LG owned. AU are allowed to use 'IPS-Type' branding for their AHVA panel.

The Asus monitor is MG279Q. Price is RM2699 at c-zone. Same panel with XB270HU, only with Freesync. If you ask me to choose between freesync and g-sync, i'll chose g-sync. G-sync seems much superior in terms of no vrr window limitation, and work seamlessly without having to toggle on/off vrr on monitor OSD. Freesync have those vrr window, and lot of them is narrow. Don't handle low vrr with frames duplication. In terms of pricing, freesync monitor have slight edges.
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post Jul 1 2015, 11:50 AM

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post Jul 1 2015, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Jul 1 2015, 11:50 AM)
actually i thought that for vrr window under, the freesync can go much lower. just that the manufacturers for the monitors have not done so.

i also heard there seems to be some issue with the scalars used on freesync monitors. think it had something to do with how it manages situations when under the minimum window.

the gsync solution they churn out repeat frames to handle the situation, and can handle even up to 1fps situations.

by the way any idea how much is the XB270HU after gst included ?
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I don't know the price of XB270HU. I don't think it is available yet.

Freesync range is 9-240hz. That is just a vesa standard range number. Not a 'freesync' magic number. But in reality, it's all depend on the scaler. Nvidia is 30-144hz. But nvidia solution is much more better. The repeat frames should also work in freesync, or should i say DP1.2a spec. Within DP1.2a, there is doubling/trippling frames within the white paper. Why freesync don't have this, is still a mystery. Either drivers or hardware limitation in the scaler.
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Jul 1 2015, 02:01 PM)
just to clarify, say the lcd manufacturer added a 9hz minimum refresh rate. does that mean the minimum vrr window is now 9fps ? so there won't any any issues unless you hit 9fps ?

whereas nvidia's is 30fps minimum, but their solution is also able to properly handle below their minimum vrr window by doubling/tripling frame rates all the way down to 1fps.

Or is some of this a misunderstanding on my part  hmm.gif  not expert here hehe....
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Theoretically, yes. But there is no way manufacturer will allow anything below 20hz, because it will damage the panel.
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post Jul 1 2015, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Jul 1 2015, 02:31 PM)
ooo..... so no wonder nvidia used their method to deal with it .....

by the way i notice most of the manufacturers for freesync are using minimum 40hz. only the asus i notice was 35hz.

gsync on the otherhand are 30hz (not sure if most are but some definitely are).
only thing freesync i see can do now i copy what nvidia did with the frame doubling/tripling using cache ?

but from what i read even if they did the same, they would not be able to fully copy nvidia. but i think that was related to overdrive. nvidia took it into their own hands to handle overdrive, whereas ati left it to the vendors.

judging by the results seems it was worth nvidia doing the overdrive. though it's a shame you can't get ulmb to work with gsync at the same time  sad.gif
PS: newer gsync monitors like the acer ironed out most of the nasty cons related to gsync. There is still 1 weird issue, but according to pcpers it isn't something that you would usually notice especially in gaming. Something about colors going bonkers in certain situations :/

freesync on otherhand, only main issue i see is how they handle the minimum vrr window and below it. also noticed that for asus to get 35hz minimum they had to cap the max vrr window to 90 instead of 120. i don't particularly liked that solution because the gsync acer monitor can do 30-144hz (exception is when enabling ulmb you need to cap at 120 i think)
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Checkout PCPER MG279Q video review. It strikes me how freesync works in game if you control the on/off freesync via OSD/Scaler. So what happened if you want vsync off and the monitor to refresh at 144hz when fps shoot above 90? Because windows will treat freesync on/off via scaler as new device. hmm.gif

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Gsync 4k @ 144hz i am down with that

1440p no thanks hahahaha as i already got 1440p laugh.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jul 3 2015, 10:22 AM)
Gsync 4k @ 144hz i am down with that

1440p no thanks hahahaha as i already got 1440p laugh.gif tongue.gif
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4k 144hz is long way to go. If IPS/AHVA we are talking for.

The scaler company is catching up nowdays. We've been stuck with good old scaler since the introduction of LCD. That is why, we seems to be forgiving when LCD is stuck at 60hz. Scaler can do so little thing and very basic logic, not until nvidia came up with g-sync, now the scaler company feel the heat and do now want nvidia to gain control that piece of hardware.

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post Jul 8 2015, 07:25 AM

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Guys, is this 2340L & 2415H differ in ips type?some source said both uses AH-ips ... does it differs very much from e-ips in u2312? Im thinking of these two. Budget 600-700


Which one better? Ah-ips or e-ips? Enlighten me pls on these ips type...

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post Jul 9 2015, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(Ulysses @ Jul 8 2015, 07:25 AM)
Guys, is this 2340L  & 2415H differ in ips type?some source said both uses AH-ips ...  does it differs very much from e-ips in u2312?  Im thinking of these two. Budget 600-700
Which one better?  Ah-ips or e-ips?  Enlighten me pls on these ips type...
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S series afaik uses VA panel instead of IPS, but i could be wrong. newer models might have changed

in short, AH-IPS > E-IPS. thats all
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jul 9 2015, 08:58 PM)
S series afaik uses VA panel instead of IPS, but i could be wrong. newer models might have changed

in short, AH-IPS > E-IPS. thats all
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thanks for reply.. going from TN+matte to IPS+glossy really an improvement..

just bought the S2340L..
satisfied with it. thumbup.gif

though, the reflection of glossy screen can be annoying when playing competitive game like cs:go
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QUOTE(Ulysses @ Jul 11 2015, 03:05 PM)
thanks for reply.. going from TN+matte to IPS+glossy really an improvement..

just bought the S2340L..
satisfied with it.  thumbup.gif

though, the reflection of glossy screen can be annoying when playing competitive game like cs:go
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just remember, dont face it near bright light sources smile.gif

glossy would be fine if theres no bright light source
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i have a question, if the lcd have dust/debris in between, can i claim the warranty?

its samsung 27 sd390, im sure its a debris/dust as before it only sit at the bottom of the lcd, after i move it into the box(moving away) it move to the middle of the screen..

i try to ketuk2 but it only move very slow and i afraid will damage the panel..


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QUOTE(tolong_saye @ Jul 12 2015, 02:59 AM)
i have a question, if the lcd have dust/debris in between, can i claim the warranty?

its samsung 27 sd390, im sure its a debris/dust as before it only sit at the bottom of the lcd, after i move it into the box(moving away) it move to the middle of the screen..

i try to ketuk2 but it only move very slow and i afraid will damage the panel..
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I had an ant trapped in my lcd panel, I had to disassembled the whole panel, separated the frame holding multiple layers to remove the ant (man)...... and reassembled the panel and made it ant proof.... not advisable for novice users though...
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post Jul 14 2015, 11:20 AM

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Hi guys, nd some recomendation for monitor

Initially wanted to buy xl2720z but after researching seems like it does not suit me as I'm not into fps gaming

I prefer those like witcher 3, dragon age, middle earth, final fantasy

I'm planning to use the monitor for gaming(non fps) and hd movies

Any recommendation?
Budget, initially is around 1.8k+/- as it was for the xl2702z.
no specific brand as long as it's reliable

Thanks in advance

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