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 Learning how to play the piano by ear, Recommendations for centres (PJ)

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andrewkyc
post Jun 10 2014, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(darthbii @ Jun 10 2014, 11:29 AM)
Ermm.. not only chords but I also would like to know how to pick out melodies from songs. I tried a hand by myself and I just can't seem to get things right, hence why I'm leaning to centres.

Btw, mind you, could you share more of your experience? nod.gif
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As the very basic level, I listen to 2 things - the melody line and the bass line. melody line is basically the "tune" of the song. Bass line (in most music, its the bass guitar) will generally determine the chord. From there, you just fill in the notes in between to get the chords.

But to do the above, you'll first need to understand how to play chords (inversion). At the basic, learn the major and minor. Then progress to Major7, 7th and minor 7th. That will generally take care of songs in most genre and would keep most home keyboardist happy. You can google keyboard charts for chords.

With that, you should be able to figure out how to play a song at the most basic level and should be able to play songs using keyboards with chord function.

Also good to find a teacher to guide - especially if you want to learn proper piano playing.

Good luck and don't give up!
andrewkyc
post Jun 11 2014, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(darthbii @ Jun 10 2014, 08:35 PM)
Considering my grade 1-2 Piano Practical/Theory knowledge, what you meant of chord inversion must be like, well in C major, C-E-G, E-G-C, G-C-E right? And then I think to build minor or major is like count few steps up right (I forgot how many lol). Is it that?
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Yup, that's what i meant by inversions.

Here's a link to a simple but effective chord chart
andrewkyc
post Jun 11 2014, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(darthbii @ Jun 11 2014, 03:36 PM)
Actually, as I stated in the first post, I would really want to produce and compose original songs one day. Does playing by ear like give me a slight edge to make the compostion easier? Because I've been fiddling around the keyboard freely and always come up with real childish sounding melodies that don 't make things memorable sad.gif . Of course I know it might not be overnight (as always), but I just would like to know if it can really provide an advantage when composing and is it the correct direction to move to? Kindly enlighten me smile.gif .

Forgot to add, I can think of some melodic ideas in my head, but when I want to put them on to keyboard, it just won't work. unsure.gif
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Very difficult question... for me, playing by ear came quite naturally as I had some music foundation (i was classically trained btw). Also, playing by ear and composing could be quite different. To me, playing by ear means to be able to replicate a song / music piece by just listening to it. The structure of the song/music is already there and play by ear just teaches you to identify the structure thru listening. Composing is creating the structure. Kinda like the difference between drawing a picture and tracing a picture.

So, when I create a song, I kinda have a chord structure in mind with my melody (i.e. I can hear the song in my head) - it may not necessary be nice, but the structure is there tongue.gif

So, for someone starting out with basic theory, I can understand the difficulty. It's not so much play by ear now but rather music theory as well as you need to understand what chord goes with what note and what chord progressions you can use.

Maybe if you can post up a sample of your melody. I can perhaps give you an example of chord progressions - no guarantees it will sound good tho.... biggrin.gif I'm also not sure what the play-by-ear course teaches so you may want to find out from forummer who have done it or talk to the school.

Anyways, don't get too hung up on all the theory and stuff. Some of the most beautiful songs written have a 3 or 4 chord structure only wink.gif
andrewkyc
post Jun 12 2014, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(darthbii @ Jun 12 2014, 10:30 AM)
I see then. Because I thought like I should try and pick out melodies and chords to try and get a feel for those common compositions and hopefully might turn out in my style.
Yeah true. There seems to be less centres teaching play by ear methods, all seem to scale up to the conventional-stiff ABRSM exams which I really don't fancy. Problem being like always, I don't want to depend on sheet music which only caters for old songs whistling.gif . Also like I stated, I really have a slow time reading sheet music and it takes countless repetitions and memorization to get me playing properly (that ain't from the heart doh.gif ).
Lol, about that. I don't think that would count as a composition lol. I didnt even bother playing in scale or provide repetitions, all I did was randomly pressing up down up up down down up down the keys. Turns out weird and childish like.
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There are still some play by ear courses out there and some of them have been listed in the postings above. Do check them out - tho it doesn't look cheap blink.gif . But if you are really serious about learning, then, think of it as an investment for future joy! smile.gif

Don't be too bothered about the "traditional" music qualification stuff (ABRSM, Trinity) if you do not intend to teach. Just learn to play for self enjoyment. Once you get the hang of it, memorising won't be an issue. It'll come second nature to you after a while smile.gif



 

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