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Advice Wanted [WTA] Proposal Ring & Wedding Bands, Please advice me!! Need Help!!

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post Jan 27 2023, 12:16 AM

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hi guys, My 20th anniversary is coming soon in 4 weeks, I'm looking at this diamond for my Mrs. I'm a noob in diamond and my only criteria is for the diamond to look bright and bigger than its weight lol

Here are the diamonds I'm looking at currently :

https://zcova.com/mined-diamond/selected-di...t&start=diamond
GIA 6405855422

https://zcova.com/mined-diamond/selected-di...t&start=diamond
GIA 6402204160

https://zcova.com/mined-diamond/selected-di...t&start=diamond
GIA 7453342861

https://zcova.com/mined-diamond/selected-di...t&start=diamond
GIA 7401976361

https://zcova.com/mined-diamond/selected-di...t&start=diamond
GIA 3455389111


Appreciate any comments or feedbacks which one I should go for, thanks in advance!

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post Jan 28 2023, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 28 2023, 05:48 PM)
Among all these, and limited to only all these few diamonds, I think my top pick will be GIA 6402204160. Reason is that the arrows seem decent enough, the proportions look decent, the inclusions seem transparent enough for my untrained eye, and there is medium blue fluorescence, which in theory can help to negate some yellow tint of the diamond, if any.

Followed by GIA 3455389111. The proportions are decent. Inclusions doesn't seem obvious. Strong fluorescence is not really necessary since it is still a G colour diamond. But it does help to lower down the price.

For both diamonds, I will check with ZCOVA for milkiness, just for peace of mind. They should have the BGM data, whereby M stands for milkiness. B, G, accordingly to the internet stands for Brown and Green. They represent a hue on the diamond, and if my memory serves me right, this hue doesn't affect colour grading, but a G colour diamond with Brown hue is not preferred compares to a G colour diamond with no hue (or something like that). You can YouTube about this diamond hue thing, I think Jann Paul (famous hearts and arrows jeweler in SG) shared before.

For what's worth, engage ZCOVA for assistance. You will need all the assistance you can get because... You have only 4 weeks. Not that you don't have enough time, but if you need time to process through and think through alot, then is another story. Therefore, do keep an eye on the time. Good luck man.
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thanks kambingkoh , you are a saviour! I know time is tight, last minute only decided to buy a diamond, much cheaper than rolex, can you believe it lol. I have booked a consultation with zcova next week. hope they can meet the timeline. you are a legend bro! will update how it goes,anything else I need to ask the SA, hope they can allow viewing for me to compare the actual diamond

BTW, what is GemEx certification ,is it important to have the certification?

Is LUMOS by zcova overrated ?

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post Jan 30 2023, 03:26 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 30 2023, 12:36 AM)
Gemex is just one of the proprietary way to measure the light performance of a diamond. Good to have, can probably give you better peace of mind. Blue Nile Astor collection also uses the same, but their standard might be higher when it comes to light performance to qualify for Astor badge. LUMOS accepts High to Very High to become LUMOS. https://blog.zcova.com/2020/04/02/zcova-in-...-certification/

Lumos is just a marketing term to coin their top picked diamonds. Something good to have, and as far as I can tell, they don't seem to apply additional premium on LUMOS diamonds, which is a good thing.

They might apply a premium if the diamond is stored in-house, but this is just my guess, so take it with a pinch of salt.
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Thanks for the insight kambingkoh! 6405855422 is LUMOS but the inclusion seems obvious especially the cloud, probably won't be too visible to the naked eyes but still something to ponder about...

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post Jan 31 2023, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 30 2023, 01:40 PM)
You can probably request to talk to their gemologist and seek for his opinion. Personally, I too, don't really like the inclusion because it looks dark.
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Their gemologist boss chi yi suggest this diamond :

https://zcova.com/mined-diamond/selected-di...5?start=diamond
GIA 6411683095

My only concern is the strong blue flourence but it does make the diamond value for money (it means it falls within my budget lol) and he said to naked eye the flourence could make the diamond looks whiter and only in strong direct sunlight there maybe slight blueish emit. He also said it won't be milky to naked eyes. Anyway, my wife is not expert, guess she wont notice it kua lol. And I dont think we will resell the diamond since it's a 20th Anniversary gift lol. He also did not recommend 6405855422 due to the dark inclusion on the surface, basically same opinion as you.

In your experience kambingkoh handling so many diamonds, do majority of strong blue diamond will display milkiness characteristic to naked eye?

BTW guys, currently ZCOVA has promotion for 1Carat diamond, free setting worth RM1650, if above that amount need to top up. I took the safe option LIA 6 prongs as it's a surprise for wifey, she does not get to choose the setting, hope she loves it hahahaha, A DIAMOND IS FOREVER! smile.gif ...........

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post Feb 6 2023, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(jasperng @ Feb 4 2023, 12:05 PM)
Hi i visited lavin . It seems their price fluctuates a lot. After few days I visited them the price can drop by 300-400 . They claim due to new stock lower fx rate. I compared their diamond with zcova they said zcova doesn’t not keep stock hence they price might be lower now because fx rate is lower.

Anyway I saw this diamond seems not bad as it doesn’t have feather in clarity. Currently priced at rm3800. Any advice ?

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2436916357
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I think expert will tell you the pavilion angle is too steep, I think this one is better :

https://zcova.com/mined-diamond/selected-di...8?start=diamond

this has the perfect CA/PA and not much inclusion

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post Feb 6 2023, 02:29 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Feb 5 2023, 12:31 AM)
I don't handle alot of diamonds. Just like a hobby, but I don't think fluorescence always exhibit milkiness. There is a BGM rating that you can refer to for a particular diamond. I find that blue fluorescence that is not milky possess good value for money. I personally own a 0.3x CT strong blue florescence diamond from Brian Gavin. Looks decent.
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Thanks kambingkoh, yeah hope it turns out nice, agreed with the value for money point.
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post Feb 8 2023, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Feb 5 2023, 12:31 AM)
I don't handle alot of diamonds. Just like a hobby, but I don't think fluorescence always exhibit milkiness. There is a BGM rating that you can refer to for a particular diamond. I find that blue fluorescence that is not milky possess good value for money. I personally own a 0.3x CT strong blue florescence diamond from Brian Gavin. Looks decent.
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Confirm rating is "No BGM", I just noticed I think only me is getting a J color SI2 ring among all of you here lol....

All of you here go with D, E, or F with ideal and VS1/2 or VVS... power ler...
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post Feb 9 2023, 12:43 PM

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BTW @kambingkoh, the HCA tool allowed only 3 times checking, how do you check HCA score now after used up the 3 allocations?


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post Feb 11 2023, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Feb 10 2023, 06:49 PM)
I believe it was refreshed daily.
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no more , 3 free per account

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post Feb 12 2023, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Feb 11 2023, 03:09 PM)
Lol. Then use diamond screener instead.
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yeah no choice lol
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post Feb 12 2023, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(Imdarren @ Feb 11 2023, 08:06 PM)
Bosses, appreciate views on the stone below. I've checked the cut estimator and it falls nicely within the intersect of both AGS ideal and GIA Ex. Don't suppose the medium fluorescence is an issue.

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6402923772

Also, i've spoken with numerous sales reps and they all mentioned the color gradient drops off steeply between G and H hence they don't sell anything below G. Is this true?
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This stone is superb, I would buy it if I have the dough lol

G-H-I-J are near colorless range, as for G vs H , this article say the SA is bs-ing lol

https://selectingadiamond.com/qa-g-color-vs...whats-the-deal/

I think clarity is more important and yours already VS1 which is good enough already.

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post Feb 14 2023, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(Imdarren @ Feb 13 2023, 09:16 PM)
Thanks guys and indeed the link proves that SA mostly BS. The difference is absolutely not discernable even at 10x magnification.
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did you get the stone or get a cheaper H?

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post Feb 17 2023, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(David900924 @ Feb 17 2023, 12:14 PM)
Hi guys, I hav my own 3 carat stone, would like to know which shops would u recommend for the ring setting in KL?
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Can try TheGemTribe , Zcova, Audrey's
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post Feb 20 2023, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(Jee Karu @ Feb 20 2023, 11:48 AM)
Hi, looking for advice on a diamond with cert as below. Are lab diamonds better than mined?

IGI 522254856
IGI 567343009
IGI 567357119

Thanks a lot!!
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No expereince with Oval diamond, so can't comment

As for lab grown vs mine diamond, there is no right or wrong answer or which is better, it depends on your priority. Lab grown definitely much cheaper but no resale value. If your emphasis is not focused primarily on the resale value of the diamond, then a Lab Grown Diamond is a good alternative to purchasing a more expensive Natural Diamond, you’ll get more bang for your buck.

The choice is completely up to you. The most popular items to take into consideration when making the choice between lab vs mined are : 1. your budget, 2. your significant half’s preference, and 3. whether or not you prioritize resale value.
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post Feb 22 2023, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(chukiat @ Feb 22 2023, 02:02 PM)
Hi,

Intending to get the below diamond as engagement ring.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/r...ut-sku-16032806

Is this a decent diamond?
Any advice is welcome
Thanks in advance 🙏
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Per kambingkoh - not bad...

Can consider the below too, just additional USD80.... it is a VS2 which I think is more than enough to our naked eyes, however it's a True Hearts which is a super ideal cut, which is super rare and less than 1% of all ideal cut diamonds have the perfect proportions and internal symmetry required to earn the True Hearts’ distinction.

Can ask JA if they can compare it side-by-side maybe....

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/r...ut-sku-16849693

Good luck!

On a side note my stone is ready, going to pick up this Friday, can't wait.... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Feb 28 2023, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(jasperng @ Feb 28 2023, 05:34 PM)
what pavillion angle should i be looking at that is acceptable ? 

i couldnt view the zcova diamond link.  any GIA number ?
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it was sold, that's why you couldn't view it.

For reference , see attached

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post Mar 2 2023, 02:23 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Mar 1 2023, 03:40 AM)
Where did you get the table? ohmy.gif
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in one of the forum
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post Mar 2 2023, 02:38 AM

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QUOTE(jasperng @ Mar 1 2023, 09:35 AM)
thanks for this table ! so i should be looking for balanced , around 41 degree. any other particularly data i should also look at ?

if the HCA calculator unable to detect GIA that i put , i need to manually put in the data myself ?

If i buy diamond locally, issit recommended to look at zcova ? any other recommended provider ?
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Best is all round tolkowsky proportions, it will be premium price, I prefer more firey. If you have a budget, best bang for buck per carat is j si1. if you have more dough g or h vs2 should be more than enough for us regular consumer. of course if you want the best then d or e vvs1 will be the best of the best, but vvs is kinda overkill especially for diamond below
1 carat. if you have a budget and carat size preference , I can give you some suggestions

for hca, it will work if you enter the gia number, if not then you have to enter manually , you only have 3 free checks, after that you have to subscribe to it for more checks.

zcova, Audrey's, TheGemTribe , wah chan, lazo, diamond and platinum you can try. if you are not in a hurry best to try whiteflash and get their a cut above ACA diamond, good luck bro!
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post Mar 2 2023, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(jasperng @ Mar 2 2023, 10:08 AM)
Noted on the proportion

Budget RM 4k-5k for diamond  i think with this budget only can get 0.4 carat  .  0.5 carat all 7k above  it seems.  I seems to prefer color over clarity. i think VS2 is good enuff for clarity as naked eyes cant see much anyway.
Do recommend if you have recommendations!

How long will whiteflash  purchase takes ? as i read, many do not setting if we didnt buy diamond from them.  what would be our options for setting ?

Further more, wanna know is the price cheaper for those ruby, saphhire or non round shape diamond ?  i feel ruby / bllue diamond looks much cooler than standard round diamond.
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Yes you have to do bring the diamond to do the setting, I know zcova and thegemtribe do it.

Kambingkoh can advise on the delivery time from whiteflash, I think probably 1 to 2 weeks

If you want ruby, or sapphire, then i think you better go thegemtribe and ask them, they should be able to help you.

I thinhk you can consider the below :

https://zcova.com/mined-diamond/selected-di...8?start=diamond - IMHO this one bang for buck, it's LUMOS guaranteed brilliance - it's a new diamond graded, the inclusion is prongable plus not dark, faint fluor hence it's cheaper... it will look bigger than its size, you can check HCA, plus you can do installment lol

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/0...ut-sku-a4555961

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/0...ut-sku-a4557710

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/0...cut-sku-4538726

Setting will cost you 1.5 to 2k...

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