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Advice Wanted [WTA] Proposal Ring & Wedding Bands, Please advice me!! Need Help!!

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post Mar 5 2017, 07:39 PM

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dear all sifus...

i found these diamonds... but having a hard time choosing between them...

please advise... icon_question.gif

GIA 1

GIA 2

GIA 3
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post Mar 5 2017, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Mar 5 2017, 10:48 PM)
My choice is:

1. GIA 3
Comment: Among the 3, this can be the best choice for now. But don't really prefer the steep crown at 35.5.

2. GIA 1
Comment: This is cut til slightly deep, at 62.6% depth.

3. GIA 2
Comment: Don't prefer SI2. Clarity is too low. Unless can proven to be eye-clean by seller and the price is right, it can be the best choice.

Most importantly, check the price and get the images. wink.gif
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These 3 diamonds i got it from wah chan...

gia 3 is around 9k+

gia 1 is around 7k+

gia 2 is around 6k+

do wah chan provide the images as well??
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post Mar 6 2017, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Mar 5 2017, 11:50 PM)
Are the diamonds preset in the ring settings? If no, then you can take a look at the Hearts and Arrows image. For other images like ASET and IdealScope, I doubt they will provide, but you can try to ask.
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Forgot to mentioned that these diamonds r loose diamonds... there r not in ring setting....

the sales person did show me the hearts n arrow image under the scope... sadly i have slight color blind... so some of the details i'm unable to identify the differences..... sad.gif


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post Mar 6 2017, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Mar 6 2017, 11:45 AM)
Don't worry about colour blind if you are looking at Hearts & Arrows, the main purpose is to see how symmetrical the diamond is.

For the arrows, you can always look from the top of the diamond.

For the hearts, you can always look from the bottom of the diamond. I think you can see a lot of differences here between a normal diamond and a super ideal cut diamond.

Anyway, since you mentioned that this is only loose stone, what is the price for their ring settings?
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it looks symmetrical to me when i look it under the scope...

they marketing their diamonds as a cut above the ideal cut....

the ring setting is around 1.2k...


i guess i need to survey more stones.... targeting for 0.5 carat with E or F color and clarity under VS2
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post Mar 6 2017, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Mar 6 2017, 01:07 PM)
Did you see from the bottom of the diamond? How the hearts look like?
As for your VS2, is it exluding VS2 or including?

Mosy importantly, you have seen the diamonds, how do you feel about each invidiual diamond?
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could be my eyes issue... all the hearts n arrow looks the same to me.... rclxub.gif

actually i wanted to say above n including VS2 icon_rolleyes.gif

out of the 3, two of them r G color which i kinda of dislike...

the other 1 is slightly less than 0.5 carat n have feather in the characteristic which could b an issue in the future...

i tried looking at the HCA but dun really get the idea of the representation...




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post Mar 7 2017, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Mar 6 2017, 10:51 PM)
HCA is just a reference tool to reject stone that fall below a certain value. By standard practice, we are advised to filter out diamonds that score 2 and above. The higher the score, the more you should avoid the diamond. The general rule is to focus on diamonds that has a score that falls below 2.0.

Ok, let's take a look at the options you provided:
GIA 1: https://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?reportno=6...d=1355954554547

HCA:
Light Return: Very Good
Fire: Very Good
Scintillation: Very Good
Spread: Very Good
Score: 2.7 - Very Good - Worth buying if the price is right
GIA 2: https://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?reportno=2...d=1355954554547

HCA:
Light Return: Very Good
Fire: Very Good
Scintillation: Very Good
Spread: Very Good
Score: 2.7 - Very Good - Worth buying if the price is right
GIA 3: https://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?reportno=1...d=1355954554547

HCA:
Light Return: Very Good
Fire: Very Good
Scintillation: Very Good
Spread: Very Good
Score: 2.3 - Very Good - Worth buying if the price is right
Ok, let's take a look at some of the best diamonds you can buy at WhiteFlash:

Here you can take a look at some of the best diamonds around, with all the images for your reference:
0.523 ct D VVS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Diamond
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link)
The money is on the high side for this one to be honest at USD 2777, with discount of USD 25 for new purchaser, the final price will be USD 2752. Include GST will be around a whopping RM 13,185.38. Together with a setting from Memory Jewellery, or any other jeweller in Malaysia, the final price can be around RM 14,185.38 - RM 15,185.38.

HCA:
Light Return: Excellent
Fire: Excellent
Scintillation: Excellent
Spread: Very Good
Score: 1.4 - Excellent within TIC  range

Here you can take a look at some more affordable option:
0.54 ct D VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Diamond
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link)
The price for this diamond is USD 2593, with discount of USD 25 for new purchaser, the final price will be USD 2568. Include GST will be around RM 12,303.80. The final price with simple solitaire setting will be around RM 13,303.80 -  RM 14,303.80. The performance of this diamond is great and the hearts and arrows are not bad in comparison to some other 0.5x WhiteFlash ACAs. The only downside for this diamond is probably the feather and the needle around the edge. But at VS2, it should be relatively safe. Looking at the price, I would probably top-up the difference and go for the smaller VVS2 above.

HCA:
Light Return: Excellent
Fire: Excellent
Scintillation: Excellent
Spread: Very Good
Score: 1.5 - Excellent within TIC range

After taking sometime to take a look, I think this is the one I will probably buy myself:
0.516 ct E VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Diamond
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link)
The hearts and arrows look great and the light return is great. For this diamond, I have also checked the AGA/NAGA Cut Class Grader. The score is 1A, as expected. Just that the girdle score 1B, because of Thin to Slightly Thick, but I won't really mind this because the images give me enough confidence. The price is USD 2479, with discount of USD 25 for new purchaser, the final price will be USD 2454. Include GST will be around RM 11,757.60. The final price with simple solitaire setting will be around RM 12,757.60 -  RM 13,757.60.

HCA:
Light Return: Excellent
Fire: Excellent
Scintillation: Excellent
Spread: Very Good
Score: 1.3 - Excellent within TIC  range
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Thanks for the detailed explanation, sifu... thumbsup.gif

Will seek out more stones for comparison... i saw a few stones on whiteflash that is around 10k+ after GST...

i also requested a jeweler to source some stones for me based on my citeria.... need to wait for the results...

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post Mar 7 2017, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Mar 7 2017, 10:47 AM)
Not many people can accept G colour cuz this is where the yellowish tint start to be discernible to the naked eye. But as you can see from the images below, the slight yellowish tint can only be seen if you view the diamond from the side. If your diamond is an ideal cut, you can't really differentiate from the top view because its sparkle and fire will mask its body colour very well.

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Left: 0.57 G VS1. Right: 0.54 E VS1. Both are Octagon H&A.

So people will usually go for G colour diamonds to maximise their carat weight.
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my mind issue that I canot accept G color due to the fact tat i know, there is yellowish tint in it.... biggrin.gif

wanted at least a perfect color for my future wifey... at least no regret later on..... thumbsup.gif
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post Mar 13 2017, 11:59 PM

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one jeweler offer me a loose diamond for usd 1,693.12... shld b around 7.7k...

0.51 carat E color VS1 triple excellent as per GIA report... the price looks attractive to me on such specs... smile.gif

HCA score is juz 3.2 though... no scope images.... sweat.gif

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post Mar 14 2017, 09:55 AM

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actually is 0.52 carat...

GIA report
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post Mar 15 2017, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Mar 15 2017, 07:46 AM)
Magic number 0.5 there bro. Imagine this:

Boy: Would you marry me?
Girl: Yes but before that, the diamond how many carat?
Boy: Not big, 0.4x je.
Girl: HAHH??? Add a bit more become 0.5 also cannot ahh?? So damn insincere.
Boy: *Shit! Should have thought of this...*

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lol... unless she can't really differentiate between a near 0.5 and actual 0.5....

the magical number.... it not her request but more of my standard to give at least 0.5....

later goin to radiance diamond to c look....
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post Mar 15 2017, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Mar 15 2017, 12:43 PM)
Radiance? Since you are at Bangsar, do drop by DeGem and check their GIA out as well. It is literally just down the road. You can also pay Suen (formerly known as Carat Club) which is facing the opposite street as well. Then, go to MV and visit all those diamond shops there! tongue.gif
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went to degem at pavilion last weekend.... they do not have gia certified... they only have forevermark n lazare... in house cert.... mayb will checkout suen if times permits... thanks for the tip.... icon_rolleyes.gif

had a run at MV b4 where i got some stones from wah chan...
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post Mar 15 2017, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Mar 15 2017, 01:10 PM)
wow bro. got some stones eh? hehe
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rephrase.... got quote for few stones....

QUOTE(bb100 @ Mar 15 2017, 02:20 PM)
The psychological effect is there bro, even though it is only less than 0.1 carat to 0.5. More so when your future wife compares her diamond with those of her friends. Imagine this:

Future wife: My dear dear just bought me a proposal ring. See!
Friend 1: Wah, very bling wohh!!! Want blind liao.
FW: Ya lohh ya lohh. Dear dear say this one triple excellent cut lehh!
F1: Ya ahh, how big??
FW: 0.4x carat.
F2: 0.4x only mehh? Propose must have at least 0.5 lahh. A bit more also cannot top up ahh your dear dear?
FW: *Go back he sure kena!*

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I am telling this based on my experience. One of my friends proposed to his future wife with a 0.96 carat princess cut diamond cuz he was thinking of buying shy to safe some bucks and maximise cut. His proposal turned out great, make no mistake about that. But a few months after that when she started to show off her stone to her friends, the nagging began. Haha.

His girlfie did not know anything about the 4Cs. All she knew was the bigger the better. That's why.
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need to properly educate her on 4C and not the size....

gals talk sure compare this n tat.... tak boleh lari punya....

QUOTE(bb100 @ Mar 15 2017, 02:22 PM)
True, but if it can make your SO super happy then why not?

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QUOTE(Godevil @ Mar 15 2017, 02:32 PM)
Hi, I'm going to buy a proposal ring for my girlfriend.

Of course, Tiffany & co first came to mind 'cos all girls want Tiffany..

Can I know around how much is the price for their classic Tiffany Setting for 0.25~0.35 carat?

Inb4 comments of "just go their shop ask".
I know I know, but I'm not in KL to just walk in and check the price. I just want to know around how much first to see if I can stomach their price point...
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I went to tiff shop on last weekend at pavilion.... its super exp..... and mostly likely will bust ur budget.... btw, i went there juz to cuci mata.... rclxs0.gif

u can try to scout some stone at wah chan and get them to set it under tiff design with a fraction of the cost tat u pay to tiff shop... thumbsup.gif
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post Mar 15 2017, 09:39 PM

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my gf said taobao got sell tiffany box only... brows.gif

went to radiance today... the boss was very friendly n chatty... quite nice to talk to.... biggrin.gif

she will try to search some stone for me....


as for suen, the shop is super big and personalize.... they rarely carry gia diamonds... mostly r their love diamond certified by igi...

quite similar to degem, imo....
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post Mar 16 2017, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Mar 16 2017, 09:19 AM)
Did they quote you any price?
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radiance did quote a diamond for me... pricing around 7k+ for 0.51 carat E VS1.... but when i saw the gia report, i found fluorescence in it.... ask her to serach for few more which matched against my criteria....
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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Mar 16 2017, 02:27 PM)
Yes, fluorescence is a turn-down. Is that the diamond that you shared the GIA number here before?
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a new diamond... didn't share b4....

she mentioned that some ladies like fluorescence as it make it looks blueish under certain light condition.. it like having two color stone.... rclxub.gif
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post Mar 16 2017, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Mar 16 2017, 10:21 PM)
It will only look bluish under UV ray. At least that's what I read online.

What is the pavilion angle and the crown angle of the diamond she offer you?
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didnt bother to look at those figures after i saw the fluorescence.... whistling.gif

straight reject... brows.gif
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post Mar 17 2017, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Mar 16 2017, 11:17 PM)
Aiyah, help me see see mah. So that I know what is the price range like tongue.gif
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if she come back with a quote, i'll let u know thier pricing and the cutting details... nod.gif

QUOTE(bb100 @ Mar 16 2017, 11:23 PM)
Fluorescence on a diamond is not necessarily bad. As long as the stone does not appear hazy/murky/milky/smoky under normal lighting then should be fine. Fluorescent diamonds are priced lower depending on the type of fluorescence. Of course, as with girdle thickness, avoid the extremity.

You should consider if the diamond has faint or medium fluorescence.

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with fluorescence, the price is very similar to the price of the 0.52 carat stone without fluorescence that i was quoted by another jeweler.... if its much lesser than its diff story... whistling.gif
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post Mar 18 2017, 12:43 PM

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Finally found my perfect stone... 😍

GIA

7.6k inclusive of GST... Time to design the setting... 🤔
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post Mar 18 2017, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Mar 18 2017, 03:43 PM)
Bro, you sure this is the one?

This is a slightly shallow cut diamond. Its crown is a bit small and its table is large. Most of the light entering the stone will leak through the table and crown, which will form a "ring of death" under the ASET scope. That's why its HCA light return grade is very good instead of excellent.

See below:

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This diamond is a 0.73 E VS2 which I previously viewed at JannPaul. The salesperson told me upfront that it is a shallow cut. Note the white ring of death.
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I think for me, it's the best buck tat I can get.... Give n take I supposed... Extra cost came up which limited Mt budget for it... 😑

The previous 0.52 carat diamond 7.7k is excluded GST...

Custom ring setting n small diamonds on it.... Hopefully within the revised budget😉

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Mar 18 2017, 07:07 PM)
Cool bro. Congrats on your purchase!

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Thx bro... Now headache on the design...

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