8.5 lol. Where you bought it btw?

haha , didn't buy it yet, just asked girlfriend to measure at poh kong.

I see... since she already know, then measure correctly and get it done correctly the first time. It is a hassle to resize and the workmanship will be not as good as before resizing. Good luck!

Yup , now am trying to decide whether should get the tighter one or the not so tight one. It's not tight or loose based on her description for both the sizes.

You also have to see what time you wear the ring. Morning when we wake up, we will usually be slightly "fatter" compare to night time. Personally, I won't recommend the tight one. If they don't offer 8.5, then should go for 9 instead. As long as you shake your hand and it doesn't off that easily, I think is good enough, most importantly, she has to be comfortable with it.

However, if you want the snugly feel and feel that size 9 is not that secure, then can just ask for 8.5. I am no sure Poh Kong got or not, but those vendors that can provide custom rings will be able to do so. Just try more from different shops and see, no need to rush thing... unless you need to hahahaha...

Thanks for the tip. Most likely I'll ask her to take the size 9. Apparently gold price has dropped too this time .

So how was it?

Yup she was happy with the size 9. I have yet to
Choose the ring

Great. Did you end up getting Hemera?

Hi,

Need you guys opinion about

Stone 1:
GIA No.: 6222860082
Spec: 0.58c D colour VS2 3EX
Quoted price from Wxx CXXX after some discount: RM10,400 (loose diamond)
It looks fine to me as a newbie under microscope and naked eyes. However I realised a big discrepancies between the score of cut between HCA tool (3.9) and Enchanted (96.6)

Stone 2:
GIA No.: 2175840567
Spec: 0.6c D colour VS2 3EX
Quoted price from Wxx CXXX after some discount: RM12k (loose diamond)
It looks fine to me as a newbie under microscope and naked eyes. However I realised a big discrepancies between the score of cut between HCA tool (2.4) and Enchanted (88.1)

Stone 3:
Another stone with casing (ready set):
GIA No.: 2196145177
Spec: 0.6c F colour VS2 3EX
Quoted price from Wxx CXXX after some discount: RM14,500
HCA cut score: 2.4
Enchated: 88.1

Stone 4:
Another stone with casing (ready set):
GIA No.: 5186587820
Spec: 0.5c D colour VS2 3EX (This 1 looks good but size is slightly smaller than my expectation
Quoted price from Wxx CXXX after some discount: RM11,300
HCA cut score: 0.8
Enchated: 100

No sure if either HCA tool or Enchanted cut score is more reliable?
Is this a good stone or good buy? I have been spending almost 2 months time visiting several shops for several times. Hope can finalise the decision soon.

Hoping to get something around 0.6c D colour VS2 3EX with budget <RM12k which seems like not easy. Also checked in Audreys online and retail shop but also not easy as many of their stones are located in HK and some stones listed in their site have been sold.....

Please gimme your opinion and advice. Many thanks

This post has been edited by smartncy: Feb 9 2017, 01:59 PM


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Why need to bump the colour until D?

Stone 1:
GIA No.: 6222860082
Spec: 0.58c D colour VS2 3EX
Quoted price from Wxx CXXX after some discount: RM10,400 (loose diamond)
It looks fine to me as a newbie under microscope and naked eyes. However I realised a big discrepancies between the score of cut between HCA tool (3.9) and Enchanted (96.6)

Steep crown (35.5°), steep pavilion (41.0°) is a wrong combination. That's why this diamond has a low score. If the pavilion is around, let's say 40.6 degrees, then the score should be higher for HCA. Usually steep crown will pair with shallower pavilion angles and vice versa. For example 35.5 degrees crown angle (steep side) should pair with 40.6 pavilion angle (shallow side). For example, 34 degrees crown angle (shallow side) should pair with 40.9 pavilion angle (steep side). So I won't take this diamond.

Stone 2:
GIA No.: 2175840567
Spec: 0.6c D colour VS2 3EX
Quoted price from Wxx CXXX after some discount: RM12k (loose diamond)
It looks fine to me as a newbie under microscope and naked eyes. However I realised a big discrepancies between the score of cut between HCA tool (2.4) and Enchanted (88.1)

36.5 degrees crown angle is an over steep crown angle, your diamond may suffer in terms of brilliance. Here is a quote from www.niceice.com (this linkhttp://niceice.com/diamond-grading-101/obstruction-light-diamonds/) on why people cut diamond to 36.5 degrees:

QUOTE

Here again, we have a really steep crown angle of 36.5 degrees. I want you to notice the correlation between the total depth of these diamonds and the visible outside diameter. Steep crown and deep pavilion sections add unnecessary carat weight to a diamond. This takes the form of carat weight which is hidden in the depth of the diamond. This means that you are paying a premium for diamond carat weight that is not visible as outside diameter!

So not only are you paying for carat weight that you’re not visually benefiting from in terms of visible outside diameter. You are paying for carat weight that is literally robbing you of the sparkle factor!

Why do diamond cutters produce “steep, deep diamonds” such as these? “It’s all about profits baby!”

Stone 3:
Another stone with casing (ready set):
GIA No.: 2196145177
Spec: 0.6c F colour VS2 3EX
Quoted price from Wxx CXXX after some discount: RM14,500
HCA cut score: 2.4
Enchated: 88.1

Same explanation as Stone 2.

Stone 4:
Another stone with casing (ready set):
GIA No.: 5186587820
Spec: 0.5c D colour VS2 3EX (This 1 looks good but size is slightly smaller than my expectation
Quoted price from Wxx CXXX after some discount: RM11,300
HCA cut score: 0.8
Enchated: 100

Based on specs alone, this stone seem great. You may want to view further on this stone. Check with WC whether their setting contains palladium.

Side note: At this price point, I may be able to get a super ideal diamond with lower colour (probably F colour) from WhiteFlash, and get it set by another local jeweller, which aroused my interest lately. Their setting is quite standard and does not contain palladium, but their price is quite cheap - RM 750 (standard design) - RM 1000 (custom). The jeweller name is "Memory Jewellery", you may check them out.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Feb 9 2017, 08:57 PM

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This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Feb 9 2017, 06:51 PM

Many many thanks kambingkoh. You are really pro

Saw that you are interested in getting at least a 0.6ct. If you are comfortable to purchase online, here are some additional options, no obligations, just sharing:

0.607 F VS2
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link)
Loose diamond cost: USD 2586 (free shipment + insurance)
Using exchange rate of 4.5, should be around RM 12340 for the loose stone, together with shipment to Malaysia (including GST)
Setting by iDo Jewellery (contains palladium) should cost around RM 2000 for simple solitaire (my guess)
OR
Setting by Memory Jewellery (does not contain palladium) should cost between RM 750 - RM 1000 (you need to check it out personally by letting them know the size of the diamond)
Total will be approximately: RM 14340 / RM 13340

0.604 E VS2
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link)
Loose diamond cost: USD 2891 (excluding shipment & insurance)
Using exchange rate of 4.5, should be around RM 14100 for the loose stone, together with shipment to Malaysia (including GST)
Setting by iDo Jewellery (contains palladium) should cost around RM 2000 for simple solitaire (my guess)
OR
Setting by Memory Jewellery (does not contain palladium) should cost between RM 750 - RM 1000 (you need to check it out personally by letting them know the size of the diamond)
Total will be approximately: RM 16100 / RM 15100

Although Brian Gavin is more expensive, but BLACK is the highest signature range in their inventory, a step higher than their original signature range. It is the pinnacle of Brian the Cutter's work.

Other links:
iDo Jewellery: http://www.idojewellery.com/
Memory Jewellery: http://www.memoryjewellery.com.my/

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Feb 9 2017, 11:30 PM

Thanks kambingkoh. I will do more home work per your hinted direction.

Keeping my options open. Reading up first about the best option for my budget. Hopefully can make a decision within the next one month.
Your input so far has been valuable. Thanks kambingkoh

Haha... it is normal for people to get the best 4C spec if their budget allow and also for mind-clean purpose. But as usual, unless the D colour is within budget, then by all means go for it, if not, then there is no need to push the budget to achieve D colour. As long as the diamond's cut is great, I believe a G colour can outdo a poorly cut D colour diamond anytime.

Latest found:
Diamond 1 (I attached with the actual photo)
GIA No. 1249761696
0.7ca F SI1 3xEx
Inclusion: Twinning Wisp
Price: rm13.4k but the casing price if this seller is more expensive
Enchanted score: 100
HCA tool cut score: 1.3

Diamond 2:
GIA No. 6212454804
0.7ca D SI1 3xEx
Inclusion: Crystal, Feather
Price: rm14.4k but the casing price of this seller is cheaper
Enchanted score: 96.9
HCA tool cut score: 1.4

Which would be a better buy? Or I should use such budget for something like 0.6ca DEF colour VS or VSS which is probably cost 1k less with similar cut score?

Wish to finalise my purchase soon. Many thanks again

This post has been edited by smartncy: Feb 20 2017, 12:23 AM


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Based on proportions alone, I would prefer GIA No. 1249761696 because the crown angle of 34.5 degrees and pavilion angle of 40.8 degrees play well with each other. Other proportions look good as well.

However, the arrows are somehow slightly misaligned at these red colored locations:


At RM 13.4k, I would say the price is pretty good. I just checked both WhiteFlash and Brian Gavin and closest you can get is almost RM 17K including GST (using exchange rate 4.5), so it is like 3.6k extra for a super-ideal. Which would be a better buy depends how much is the ring setting. Also, if can, try to ask for the Diamond 2's image as well. Also try to ask for images like idealscope, ASET, and Hearts and Arrows for both diamonds.

My only concern is that at SI-1, there are plenty of Twinning Wisps on the diamond and it seem some of these inclusions are going all the way to the edge of the diamond. You may want to ask your seller on its durability since this is a SI-1. You may consider to ask your seller whether it is eye-clean or not. Maybe can try to ask them to take a photo of the diamond up-close without any magnification so that you can have a rough idea how it will look like in normal view. If it is eye-clean and there is no durability risk, I would say this is quite a good diamond, for this price (based on the proportions alone). It would be best if you can have the ASET and IdealScope to determine its light performance.

Btw, what is the price for each vendor's ring setting?

I may use this as the base price for a 0.6ct, so try to find out if your vendor is able to beat this, if yes, and the price difference is able to justify itself, then you should be alright =>
With USD 2652 (around RM 12750 including GST and misc charges), you can get this 0.604 F VS2 ACA:
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link)

Good luck and all the best!

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Feb 20 2017, 02:32 PM