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post May 10 2022, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ May 8 2022, 07:56 PM)
I don't think there is a research on this (could be wrong). I will say just follow your budget and try on diamonds of different carat weight or even shape at brick and mortar stores. Most importantly, just follow your budget and preference.

You can also ask online jewelers to show you different photos of real ring on different finger sizes, such as this:
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/news/buy...reference-pics/

Do note that the article has sizes in US. Convert accordingly to get a grasp of the approximate size for local jeweler. MY should mainly be HK size.
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thanks alot.

QUOTE(kambingkoh @ May 9 2022, 07:17 PM)
Is it true that a well cut 0.3ct can look bigger than 0.4ct?
This is only true if the 0.4ct is terribly cut, but this may only happen if you are comparing at the 2 sides of the extremes. In real life, if a jeweler offer you an excellent cut 0.4ct, it will 99% be bigger than a 0.3ct. I don't think any jeweler will pick an extremely bad cut diamond to sell to you.

Any tips on shortlisting the "worse inclusions"/"prominent areas" that have them to filter?
I am no expert, so I will just refer to this: https://niceice.com/diamond-clarity-grades/
In real life, just try your best to find a diamond that is not milky and don't have any black inclusions on the table. Transparent inclusions are usually much more preferred. As for "inclusions to avoid" stated in the article in the link above, if the diamond has a good clarity, let's say VS1, to me it is still acceptable, as simple as that.


Also noticed I couldnt not get the free daily 3 times HCA calculator to view, is it still available fore x3 free daily?
Try to use another browser or use incognito/private browsing. I believe the website has some cache that is stubborn enough not to give you 3 times per day.

have some shortlisted below, would you pick any these over your earlier choices?
I can only answer you for diamonds around the same carat weight range, which is the 0.3x ct range. For 0.3x ct range, I will still pick the E VS1. I like the colour and clarity. I won't pay more for a higher clarity but lower color, and I don't feel like stretching to a G color the little bit of extra size.

As for 0.4ct, this is a whole new tier. Price difference is there. If my initial budget is at 0.3x ct, I won't bother looking at 0.4ct, so only you can answer whether you willing to upgrade your budget. If you are willing to do so, then I will pick higher carat weight over smaller carat weight.

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so is it safe to say if i were to look at 0.3ct, then E VS1 and its surrounding will be great starting point for discovery?
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QUOTE(eternity4av @ May 10 2022, 07:04 PM)
thanks alot.
so is it safe to say if i were to look at 0.3ct, then E VS1 and its surrounding will be great starting point for discovery?
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Well, 0.3ct onwards is rather common, so it's a good starting point. For colour and clarity, you can try to explore various range and see what is your preference. These days, I see more people aiming for higher carat weight while lowering colour and clarity simply because carat weight is the most eye-catching element.
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post May 11 2022, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ May 9 2022, 07:17 PM)
Is it true that a well cut 0.3ct can look bigger than 0.4ct?
This is only true if the 0.4ct is terribly cut, but this may only happen if you are comparing at the 2 sides of the extremes. In real life, if a jeweler offer you an excellent cut 0.4ct, it will 99% be bigger than a 0.3ct. I don't think any jeweler will pick an extremely bad cut diamond to sell to you.

Any tips on shortlisting the "worse inclusions"/"prominent areas" that have them to filter?
I am no expert, so I will just refer to this: https://niceice.com/diamond-clarity-grades/
In real life, just try your best to find a diamond that is not milky and don't have any black inclusions on the table. Transparent inclusions are usually much more preferred. As for "inclusions to avoid" stated in the article in the link above, if the diamond has a good clarity, let's say VS1, to me it is still acceptable, as simple as that.


Also noticed I couldnt not get the free daily 3 times HCA calculator to view, is it still available fore x3 free daily?
Try to use another browser or use incognito/private browsing. I believe the website has some cache that is stubborn enough not to give you 3 times per day.

have some shortlisted below, would you pick any these over your earlier choices?
I can only answer you for diamonds around the same carat weight range, which is the 0.3x ct range. For 0.3x ct range, I will still pick the E VS1. I like the colour and clarity. I won't pay more for a higher clarity but lower color, and I don't feel like stretching to a G color the little bit of extra size.

As for 0.4ct, this is a whole new tier. Price difference is there. If my initial budget is at 0.3x ct, I won't bother looking at 0.4ct, so only you can answer whether you willing to upgrade your budget. If you are willing to do so, then I will pick higher carat weight over smaller carat weight.

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Thank you so much ! I just made my purchase with the choice you recommended notworthy.gif

I've looked at your facebook for ring settings, do drop me/pm me your number and quotation for Ring Setting 2 measurements ring size 9 (47.7mm-15.2mm) 18K white gold and I'll look for you once the stone arrives.
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post May 13 2022, 07:11 PM

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Hi. Can you give me your opinion about this diamond? And is the price reasonable?
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post May 13 2022, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(KD1994 @ May 13 2022, 07:11 PM)
Hi. Can you give me your opinion about this diamond? And is the price reasonable?
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36.5... is abit out of my own preference. The dimension may be slightly smaller compared to other well-cut 0.4ct, but we are talking about 0.0x mm differences... So it is actually nothing significant.

What I read about steep crown diamond is that the fire of the diamond is good.

The arrows are slightly misaligned, but not too significant.

Price wise, not bad for a brick and mortar or online jeweler, considering the service they can provide.
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post May 15 2022, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(KD1994 @ May 13 2022, 07:11 PM)
Hi. Can you give me your opinion about this diamond? And is the price reasonable?
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Hi!

I've bought from Zcova before, and honestly, they do have the best prices in the market, they give you the best diamond your budget allows.
They offer a great service, you'll receive your GIA certificate in case your wondering, so it's a safe choice.

I totally recommend buying from them.
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post May 19 2022, 10:46 PM

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Hi guys I requested for the GIA cert but she mentioned now they cant reveal it due to security reasons. However from the website they do show it but masked the 1st few numbers. I tried using the HCA tool but maybe Im not sure how to read the cert. Based on the below depth is 59.1, table is 60%, crown is 33 degrees, pavilion is 40.8 degrees, symmetry should be excellence and measurement (w x l x d) is 4.36 x 4.38 x 2.58. Did I get this right?

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I like to get sifu to analyze between the above and the below. Price difference around 400. Thanks guys!

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post May 20 2022, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(GreenSleeves @ May 19 2022, 10:46 PM)
Hi guys I requested for the GIA cert but she mentioned now they cant reveal it due to security reasons. However from the website they do show it but masked the 1st few numbers. I tried using the HCA tool but maybe Im not sure how to read the cert. Based on the below depth is 59.1, table is 60%, crown is 33 degrees, pavilion is 40.8 degrees, symmetry should be excellence and measurement (w x l x d) is 4.36 x 4.38 x 2.58. Did I get this right?

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I like to get sifu to analyze between the above and the below. Price difference around 400. Thanks guys!

user posted image
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Additionally, where will you guys recommend to do a decent 18k white gold ring setting? I felt the setting Im being quoted at 2.3k is a little too high. The advice I got was there's a risk involved if go to other jeweller as they might not handle the gem properly or maybe even short changed me with another lousier ones. Any advice? Much thanks
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QUOTE(GreenSleeves @ May 20 2022, 02:18 PM)
Additionally, where will you guys recommend to do a decent 18k white gold ring setting? I felt the setting Im being quoted at 2.3k is a little too high. The advice I got was there's a risk involved if go to other jeweller as they might not handle the gem properly or maybe even short changed me with another lousier ones. Any advice? Much thanks
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Make sure the jeweler note on the invoice the diamond inscription. When collecting, double check on the inscription and make sure it is the same.

As for not handling properly, usually other jewelers won't responsible for anything bad that might happen to your diamond when mounting the stone, if the stone is not buy from them. SI2 with feather inclusion as the main inclusion can be a little bit risky, if you ask me.
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post May 21 2022, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ May 20 2022, 10:22 PM)
Make sure the jeweler note on the invoice the diamond inscription. When collecting, double check on the inscription and make sure it is the same.

As for not handling properly, usually other jewelers won't responsible for anything bad that might happen to your diamond when mounting the stone, if the stone is not buy from them. SI2 with feather inclusion as the main inclusion can be a little bit risky, if you ask me.
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the diamond inscription refers to the GIA cert lasered on it right? I read that can be duplicated as well and the safest is actually to request for an inclusion diagram and compare it against the original because inclusion is like the DNA of the stone i.e. no 2 stones will have the same inclusion location. Sounds more fool proof

Yeah that's true on the handling. But why the particular risk on feather inclusion though? never understood the feather/crystal characteristics of it
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post May 21 2022, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(GreenSleeves @ May 21 2022, 12:07 AM)
the diamond inscription refers to the GIA cert lasered on it right? I read that can be duplicated as well and the safest is actually to request for an inclusion diagram and compare it against the original because inclusion is like the DNA of the stone i.e. no 2 stones will have the same inclusion location. Sounds more fool proof

Yeah that's true on the handling. But why the particular risk on feather inclusion though? never understood the feather/crystal characteristics of it
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So far I only know reading laser inscription is the most common way. As for requesting for inclusion diagram, I have never heard of it honestly, and to compare it against the original stone probably means the jeweler will need to show you where the inclusion is on the stone against the inclusion diagram. While some jeweler may have high magnification tool to do that, not all may have it. And not all salesperson will be trained to do that as well. Also, mounted diamonds (already put on the setting) are harder to match against any inclusion diagram because inclusions can also be at the bottom of the diamond. To add on, not all certificates have the inclusion diagram. Usually for GIA, diamonds below 1 carat will only get a dossier without the inclusion diagram.

Personally, what I will do is actually similar, but more like my own personal way. I will try to identify the Arrows on the round brilliant using a Hearts and Arrows scope and look for any tiny details on the stone, such as how well the arrows are formed, any slightly obvious inclusion that I can see with the scope, etc. Mind you, sometimes "inclusions" you see may be just dirt or dust, therefore I will just remember how well the arrows are formed.

While the inscription could have the possibility of being tampered with, I will think that it will be more common on higher carat weight, higher colour, and higher clarity stones. If someone wants to cheat, the profit margin should be significant enough for him/her to do/risk that.

This also made me Google abit and I found that recently lab grown diamond is also part of the scamming process, whereby they are being submitted to GIA as natural diamond.

At the end of the day, there is no 100% foolproof way. You cannot submit mounted stone to GIA for re-evaluation. You can try find independent appraiser, but you will just have to take their word for it, and I don't think will have much help if your jeweler return policy is only stating that grading report mismatch against inscription on girdle. So, the safest way is to buy from a reputable jeweler and let them do everything for you under one roof. This may reduce your risk.

The risk on the feather inclusion is because SI2 is considered a borderline clarity and feather inclusion simply means crack in the stone. And with feather inclusion as the main inclusion, there can be a possibility that during the mounting process, where pressure is applied, the crack might unfortunately get worsen. Hence, risky.

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post May 25 2022, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ May 21 2022, 11:46 AM)
So far I only know reading laser inscription is the most common way. As for requesting for inclusion diagram, I have never heard of it honestly, and to compare it against the original stone probably means the jeweler will need to show you where the inclusion is on the stone against the inclusion diagram. While some jeweler may have high magnification tool to do that, not all may have it. And not all salesperson will be trained to do that as well. Also, mounted diamonds (already put on the setting) are harder to match against any inclusion diagram because inclusions can also be at the bottom of the diamond. To add on, not all certificates have the inclusion diagram. Usually for GIA, diamonds below 1 carat will only get a dossier without the inclusion diagram.

Personally, what I will do is actually similar, but more like my own personal way. I will try to identify the Arrows on the round brilliant using a Hearts and Arrows scope and look for any tiny details on the stone, such as how well the arrows are formed, any slightly obvious inclusion that I can see with the scope, etc. Mind you, sometimes "inclusions" you see may be just dirt or dust, therefore I will just remember how well the arrows are formed.

While the inscription could have the possibility of being tampered with, I will think that it will be more common on higher carat weight, higher colour, and higher clarity stones. If someone wants to cheat, the profit margin should be significant enough for him/her to do/risk that.

This also made me Google abit and I found that recently lab grown diamond is also part of the scamming process, whereby they are being submitted to GIA as natural diamond.

At the end of the day, there is no 100% foolproof way. You cannot submit mounted stone to GIA for re-evaluation. You can try find independent appraiser, but you will just have to take their word for it, and I don't think will have much help if your jeweler return policy is only stating that grading report mismatch against inscription on girdle. So, the safest way is to buy from a reputable jeweler and let them do everything for you under one roof. This may reduce your risk.

The risk on the feather inclusion is because SI2 is considered a borderline clarity and feather inclusion simply means crack in the stone. And with feather inclusion as the main inclusion, there can be a possibility that during the mounting process, where pressure is applied, the crack might unfortunately get worsen. Hence, risky.
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Wise words as always. Appreciate the education. Yeap you're right, enquired with my jeweller and they only provide inclusion diagram for 1 carat and more.

As for the arrows formation, the jeweller claimed it is perfect H&A. Still possible to tell how the arrows are formed on a perfect H&A?

You're indeed right on the tampering. I guess my kecik miao .3-.35's not worth their time and reputation. Lol. Yeap I guess just need to go to a reputable jeweler or do it at the same place. May I ask besides bludiamond, what other jeweler manufacturer are out there? They claimed they're the only 1 in Malaysia. What about setting? Which has the best reputation for handling settings for loose stones? Price wise, memory jeweller at sentul seems good and affordable though unsure of their workmanship. What about good wedding bands? Not too particular about them as I dont need a good diamond as compared to engagement ring. Thanks as always



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post May 26 2022, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(GreenSleeves @ May 25 2022, 11:32 PM)
Wise words as always. Appreciate the education. Yeap you're right, enquired with my jeweller and they only provide inclusion diagram for 1 carat and more.

As for the arrows formation, the jeweller claimed it is perfect H&A. Still possible to tell how the arrows are formed on a perfect H&A?

You're indeed right on the tampering. I guess my kecik miao .3-.35's not worth their time and reputation. Lol. Yeap I guess just need to go to a reputable jeweler or do it at the same place. May I ask besides bludiamond, what other jeweler manufacturer are out there? They claimed they're the only 1 in Malaysia. What about setting? Which has the best reputation for handling settings for loose stones? Price wise, memory jeweller at sentul seems good and affordable though unsure of their workmanship. What about good wedding bands? Not too particular about them as I dont need a good diamond as compared to engagement ring. Thanks as always
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Lol, don't say kecik miao, on a positive side, it is relatively safer I guess.

A lot people will claim they are H&A, but usually only picture will tell more. As for the arrows, it is easier to see, just need a Hearts and Arrows scope, or if you have the diamond image or video, it is also easy to see. Just see how well the arrows aligned.

I don't know what BluDiamond actually meant by they are the only one. To me, they are two types of jewelers, one that is able to source the diamond and have their own production line to do the setting, and the other who is able to source the diamond and outsource the whole production to jewelry manufacturing factory. This is my high level view. I don't know who has the best reputation though lol, one man's meat is another man's poison. hence, this is rather subjective.

Memory Jewelry no longer deals with consumer directly. Their original business all this while is jewelry manufacturing, Memory Jewelry is just a side business to try doing B2C. However, old customers can still get in-touch with them for any servicing and repair. And in case you do not know, I am engaging them to help my clients to do custom ring settings.

For wedding bands, you will have a lot of choices. Prices can be quite different, but do check out the total weight of gold they are putting into the bands. Usually brick-and-mortar will have that weight written on their tag, if not mistaken. I will suggest you to visit those brick-and-mortar and try on their rings. Some jewelers have matching wedding bands to go along with the engagement ring, so you can ask the jeweler you are dealing with to see if they can offer such option.
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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ May 26 2022, 12:13 AM)
Lol, don't say kecik miao, on a positive side, it is relatively safer I guess.

A lot people will claim they are H&A, but usually only picture will tell more. As for the arrows, it is easier to see, just need a Hearts and Arrows scope, or if you have the diamond image or video, it is also easy to see. Just see how well the arrows aligned.

I don't know what BluDiamond actually meant by they are the only one. To me, they are two types of jewelers, one that is able to source the diamond and have their own production line to do the setting, and the other who is able to source the diamond and outsource the whole production to jewelry manufacturing factory. This is my high level view. I don't know who has the best reputation though lol, one man's meat is another man's poison. hence, this is rather subjective.

Memory Jewelry no longer deals with consumer directly. Their original business all this while is jewelry manufacturing, Memory Jewelry is just a side business to try doing B2C. However, old customers can still get in-touch with them for any servicing and repair.  And in case you do not know, I am engaging them to help my clients to do custom ring settings.

For wedding bands, you will have a lot of choices. Prices can be quite different, but do check out the total weight of gold they are putting into the bands. Usually brick-and-mortar will have that weight written on their tag, if not mistaken.  I will suggest you to visit those brick-and-mortar and try on their rings. Some jewelers have matching wedding bands to go along with the engagement ring, so you can ask the jeweler you are dealing with to see if they can offer such option.
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Hi kambingkoh, I have read many of your post on previous topic.
Currently I'm planing to get a diamond ring for my gf. Budget RM 3 to 4.5k
After surveying many , I have no idea how to choose a good diamond. Most of the shop only tell you about the 4C, but if more than that they don't even tell. I'm looking for a jeweller that can provide ASET image and idealscope image for the diamond that I'm choosing, but seems a little bit hard in Malaysia. And I don't want to buy online( see it with eye better) , I'm targeting 0.3 ct diamond.

Which jeweler do you recommend in Malaysia? Please advice. Thanks.
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QUOTE(curioussscatt96 @ May 30 2022, 12:44 PM)
Hi kambingkoh, I have read many of your post on previous topic.
Currently I'm planing to get a diamond ring for my gf. Budget RM 3 to 4.5k
After surveying many , I have no idea how to choose a good diamond. Most of the shop only tell you about the 4C, but if more than that they don't even tell. I'm looking for a jeweller that can provide ASET image and idealscope image for the diamond that I'm choosing, but seems a little bit hard in Malaysia. And I don't want to buy online( see it with eye better) , I'm targeting 0.3 ct diamond.

Which jeweler do you recommend in Malaysia? Please advice. Thanks.
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1. ASET and IdealScope is just some thing used by another lab called AGS to determine light performance, it is a proprietary tool and it is not common in Malaysia.

2. The easiest way is to see the proportions first, and then look at the arrows of the diamond from the top using a H&A scope, which is something can be easily found from typical brick-and-mortar stores. A nice set of arrows do not guarantee a nice set of Hearts, but at least it is a good start. Usually a diamond with good arrows and proportions should be sufficient enough for you to land on a well-cut diamond. Of course, CUT is just one thing, you still have to see the inclusions of the diamond, whether it has any black inclusions on the table etc. VS1 or VS2, or even SI1 is a good range to buy if you know it is eye-clean enough to you.

3. Other than brick-and-mortar, most sellers will likely show you links to the diamond and will only order for you when you decided to buy. Lavin New York though, has physical stones, but I don't think they have Hearts and Arrows scope for you to view the arrows and the hearts. On a side note, I also sell some physical stones within your range. If you are interested, you can let me know too. I am located in PJ, Selangor.
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Some questions for the guru @kambingkoh:

Regarding cut quality when looking for a diamond, should we prioritize how good the arrows look on the picture or the specs (depth, width, crown/pavilion angles)?

Can a diamond has a so called ideal specs and still not show all those arrows to naked eyes?
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QUOTE(arsenalis @ May 31 2022, 06:29 PM)
Some questions for the guru @kambingkoh:

Regarding cut quality when looking for a diamond, should we prioritize how good the arrows look on the picture or the specs (depth, width, crown/pavilion angles)?

Can a diamond has a so called ideal specs and still not show all those arrows to naked eyes?
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If I were to filter on a website, I usually filter the parameters (specs) first. Then, look for a diamond with the best arrows or overall look. In fact, I visited DeGem website earlier and found that they actually allow users to key in parameters like depth and table width. So let's say I key in a depth of max 62% and set the table to 55% to 58%, I can probably find some pretty decent diamonds: https://gia.degemdiamond.com/gia

Some of their diamonds have the actual video and picture, some of their diamonds do not have actual video and picture. Try to find those that have.

"Ideal" is really overused as a marketing jargon, but try to find diamonds with nice looking arrow and parameters.


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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ May 31 2022, 07:31 PM)
If I were to filter on a website, I usually filter the parameters (specs) first. Then, look for a diamond with the best arrows or overall look. In fact, I visited DeGem website earlier and found that they actually allow users to key in parameters like depth and table width. So let's say I key in a depth of max 62% and set the table to 55% to 58%, I can probably find some pretty decent diamonds: ...

Some of their diamonds have the actual video and picture, some of their diamonds do not have actual video and picture. Try to find those that have.

"Ideal" is really overused as a marketing jargon, but try to find diamonds with nice looking arrow and parameters.
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Take zcova.com/diamond?diamond=402077380 for instance (can't post link as probation...):

Depth: 62
Tab. Width: 56
Crown Angle: 35.5 degree
Pavillion Angle: 40.8 degree

The specs look good, but there's not an angle where even just 3 arrows would look sharp together.
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QUOTE(arsenalis @ May 31 2022, 09:13 PM)
Take zcova.com/diamond?diamond=402077380 for instance (can't post link as probation...):

Depth: 62
Tab. Width: 56
Crown Angle: 35.5 degree
Pavillion Angle: 40.8 degree

The specs look good, but there's not an angle where even just 3 arrows would look sharp together.
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Sometimes for such video, even a well cut diamond won't look sharp together. Some suppliers will take 2 different videos and one may look sharp, while the other don't. Then again, sometimes it was really because there are inconsistencies in the overall cut quality. One can know more if they are able to see the hearts from the bottom but most of the time, it won't be available.

As for the "specs", do remember that the numbers are averages from multiple angles. The numbers are shown in 2D, but an actual diamond is 3D, consisting of multiple angles, for instance, multiple crown angles... So assuming one corner is 34, the other corner is 35, the average is 34.5, assuming there are only 2 corners, to put things in a simpler context. Hence, a nice number doesn't guarantee a well-cut diamond, but it is certainly a good place to begin with.
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Hello kambing, may i know some opinion on this diamond ? Quite concern regarding the cloudy inclusion
Seller mention the cloudy inclusion is at the side
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