You can compare the price between them and what you can find here. Some Malaysia jewelers are carrying lab-grown too and might connect to the same supplier.

It is always best to have a look given the chance. You can try use https://www.diamondscreener.com/cut-estimator/ to see diamonds with similar proportions (more or less).

Looks not bad. But no longer available. Price seems very good.

Personally, I will go for the 0.93ct... just for its size. As far as my untrained eye is concerned. The 0.93ct D VS2 looks clean. Of course, I will recommend you to chat with their gemologist to find out more, make sure the diamond is not milky whatsoever.

So did you get any? Just noticed that while the diamond looks nice, it actually don't really fall within AGS Ideal or GIA EX, just IGI Ideal.

I do provide service too if you are in KL/PJ area.

Personally I like the bigger one. VVS quality is abit overkill though, but if the price is good then no complains.

Imo, they are almost similar. I will go with the one that I can see better hearts and arrows. If physical diamonds are available, I will see them side-by-side, see which one I like better with naked eye. If still similar, then whichever that is cheaper to be more cost-effective (although I believe the price should be the same from the looks of it).

Hmm... For 6k to 8k, 0.4ct is feasible for natural diamond. In fact, you can get much higher carat weight if you opt for lab-grown diamond. I will try to find some options later.

I would probably get this if I want a natural:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link). It is larger in size compare to 0.4ct. this is around RM 6300 for stone alone.

If I want to save slightly more on comparison, I will go for this:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link). It is slightly smaller but it is also cheaper and earns the title of "collection series". So if you like such marketing, then it is good to go with this one. This is around 6100 for stone alone.

You can find out the price in ringgit via Wise: https://wise.com/invite/ath/yangk31 (affiliate link)

If you buy typical GIA stone, it will definitely be cheaper if you find the right source.

For lab-grown, I will probably pick this: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1...id=myengringexp (affiliate link)

This is also another good option:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1...id=myengringexp (affiliate link). The hearts maybe very very little bit not as good as the one above, but comparing until like this is actually not to practical. More like mind clean thing. The diamond sparkle video does show that the E VS1 has a cleaner look too, hence maybe that is one plus point over this.

Lastly, if I don't mind all those minor things, I would probably take this: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1...id=myengringexp (affiliate link), around same price but bigger, not the best hearts and arrows, but differences is trivial. Good colour, good clarity, good size, and in-house vetted. It is a nice lab-grown worth considering.

Usually I will help to do the ring setting is customer buy from WhiteFlash because alot jeweler refuse to set other jeweler's diamonds. That is also provided you are in KL/PJ area. My price for 0.4ct starts from 1600, for 1ct may be slightly higher.

Another good place to buy lab-grown is Ritani: https://www.ritani.com/collections/lab-grow...t%3Dprice%257C1. price is very very attractive. This one you can search for yourself and see.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Jan 5 2023, 10:58 PM

The diamond is graded in Jan 2020, around MCO period. That can be one of the possible reasons why this diamond is still around. Wedding related business was slow back then.

The diamond offered by diamond and platinum has great proportions. Do note that this diamond has faint fluorescence, but it is not a deal breaker. The price is fair enough for a brick-and-mortar and if it is under their Estrella brand, it is even better as it should have a better cut quality compared to generic GIA diamonds.

Looks pretty nice. Do you have the image from the bottom? That's the hearts.

Not the best of hearts, but decent enough for me. You can consider about this diamond or maybe even haggle a little

7410 seems like a decent price for brick-and-mortar.

LoveMarque - I prefer the one with IIDGR cert over the IGI cert. The former cert has hearts and arrows image. You are paying extra for the branding and the marketing. I would consider though, if I want some branding. Love & Co settings look great.

Lazare - this brand is quite famous I believe. In the US, some may also heard of it. They are well-cut diamonds. Nett at 8300 for I VS2 again, is overpriced, unless you want the branding. They used to quote me 12 to 13k for 0.4 F VS2 I think. I can probably do that in almost half if I remove the branding - GIA + custom ring. Still, if you priority is branding, do consider. They should be clearing stock to make way for their new brand Brilliant C, which I believe is graded by AGS and it is their in-house brand.

Wah Chan usually offers best bang for your buck diamond prices. If you like the stone, and you feel that their design is dated, you can see if they custom for you.

Recent Estrella by forumers here show that the stones have decent proportions. But 10k for that specs is still expensive IMO.

I colour is still consider near colourless. It may be hard to see the differences. You may notice the differences under certain lighting environment, but in normal view, it is hard to see.

Based on what you said, it seems that you are aiming for branding. If that is the case, Forevermark may be the better option. At least I see them as a more internationally recognized brand. Forevermark black label is their top of the line as far as I know.

Forevermark in malaysia is distributed by Degem. Diamond and Platinum belongs to the same Degem group, so they carry that brand as well. Plus point of getting Forevermark is the ring designs, which is only eligible for Forevermark stones, and they seem beautiful.

Drop us some gorgeous pics!

Looks nice. Good luck with your proposal!

This diamond is created using CVD process, not HPHT.

CVD is cheaper. HPHT is more expensive.

"The HPHT method, first used to successfully grow diamonds by General Electric in 1954, essentially mimics the natural process - carbon is crystallized as diamond through intense heat and pressure deep within the Earth.'

"In the past, CVD synthetics displayed graining patterns not found in natural diamonds, as well as distinctive fluorescence reactions."

So based on above statements, I will say that HPHT should be more similar to natural diamond.

ZCOVA lab grown diamond is not cheap, but neither it is overly expensive. I think you may get 10% discount, but I am not sure whether the promo has ended.



https://www.gia.edu/gia-news-research-impro...ive%20equipment.

As far as I know, there are no taxes for loose diamond if you import into Malaysia from the US.

Personally, I would say buying from US is a rather straight-forward process and the shipment will most likely be insured if they opt for FeDex of DHL.

As for the diamond itself, I would say it is easier than buying an electrical item from overseas since electrical item may spoil and we will need to claim warranty, while for loose diamond, it is what it is. Of course, there is still a slim chance that things may go very wrong, but I think for me, if the loose diamond is cheaper, it is worth the risk, again, just my personal opinion.

My other concern will be getting the ring set, you will need to find a jeweler that is willing to set your loose diamond, and I will say better get a quick quotation first before pulling the trigger just in case the total price for both diamond and ring is not worth it.

I won't suggest you to buy the whole engagement ring (diamond + ring) and import in from the US because that will be count as a jewelry piece and it is taxable. I am not sure about the tax percentage though.

if you are in PJ area, I do provide such service, or you can also ask around jewelers like Boa Jewels, ZCOVA, Tailored Jewel, iDo Jewelry etc.

I think even local chain stores can help to set. Try asking.

Among all these, and limited to only all these few diamonds, I think my top pick will be GIA 6402204160. Reason is that the arrows seem decent enough, the proportions look decent, the inclusions seem transparent enough for my untrained eye, and there is medium blue fluorescence, which in theory can help to negate some yellow tint of the diamond, if any.

Followed by GIA 3455389111. The proportions are decent. Inclusions doesn't seem obvious. Strong fluorescence is not really necessary since it is still a G colour diamond. But it does help to lower down the price.

For both diamonds, I will check with ZCOVA for milkiness, just for peace of mind. They should have the BGM data, whereby M stands for milkiness. B, G, accordingly to the internet stands for Brown and Green. They represent a hue on the diamond, and if my memory serves me right, this hue doesn't affect colour grading, but a G colour diamond with Brown hue is not preferred compares to a G colour diamond with no hue (or something like that). You can YouTube about this diamond hue thing, I think Jann Paul (famous hearts and arrows jeweler in SG) shared before.

For what's worth, engage ZCOVA for assistance. You will need all the assistance you can get because... You have only 4 weeks. Not that you don't have enough time, but if you need time to process through and think through alot, then is another story. Therefore, do keep an eye on the time. Good luck man.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Jan 28 2023, 05:51 PM

Gemex is just one of the proprietary way to measure the light performance of a diamond. Good to have, can probably give you better peace of mind. Blue Nile Astor collection also uses the same, but their standard might be higher when it comes to light performance to qualify for Astor badge. LUMOS accepts High to Very High to become LUMOS. https://blog.zcova.com/2020/04/02/zcova-in-...-certification/

Lumos is just a marketing term to coin their top picked diamonds. Something good to have, and as far as I can tell, they don't seem to apply additional premium on LUMOS diamonds, which is a good thing.

They might apply a premium if the diamond is stored in-house, but this is just my guess, so take it with a pinch of salt.