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Advice Wanted [WTA] Proposal Ring & Wedding Bands, Please advice me!! Need Help!!

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post Nov 9 2022, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(VonGoLaDeciMo @ Nov 5 2022, 07:47 PM)
Hi, has anyone ordered lab grown diamonds from Ritani before? I find their lab grown diamonds very affordable, plan to order it from them then get the ring settings here in Malaysia
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You can compare the price between them and what you can find here. Some Malaysia jewelers are carrying lab-grown too and might connect to the same supplier.
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post Nov 9 2022, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(theLovingCouple @ Nov 9 2022, 09:46 PM)
Hi, thanks for your listing on all the engagement ring company in Malaysia as currently I am surveying on engagement ring.
Going through your list on these brands, I managed to find out Diamond & Platinum and Lavin New York is having the cheapest price among them.
With example of GIA 0.3carat H VS2 3EX and None Fluorescence with 18K settings:
Diamond & Platinum:
<a href='https://pictr.com/images/2022/11/09/EZXTRX.md.jpg' target='_blank'>https://pictr.com/images/2022/11/09/EZXTRX.md.jpg </a>
Lavin New York:
<a href='https://pictr.com/images/2022/11/09/EZXer8.md.jpg' target='_blank'>https://pictr.com/images/2022/11/09/EZXer8.md.jpg </a>
Is Lavin New York a good place to visit?
As I had told that they have physical diamond on hand, and I am able to see the diamond which listed on their website on my own eye and not only checking on the spec on the paper itself.
I believe that it is important to see on the physical diamond before I make any purchase on the internet (since it is something that expensive and meaningful)
Can anyone give me a suggestion on which one to go for? stars:
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It is always best to have a look given the chance. You can try use https://www.diamondscreener.com/cut-estimator/ to see diamonds with similar proportions (more or less).
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post Nov 11 2022, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(VonGoLaDeciMo @ Nov 11 2022, 06:48 PM)
Okay, what I found so far for lab grown diamonds zcova carries some good ones, but Ritani’s price are just too good, based on what I read on reddit they’re quite reputable.

One question I have is about the heart and arrows pattern, some diamons the arrows are black coloured, some are white/silver coloured, may I ask if which one is the better/ideal ones? Thank you

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And may I ask if this diamond is good? Thanks in advance!

https://www.ritani.com/products/1-13-carat-...ku-d-tszfceoz8z
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Looks not bad. But no longer available. Price seems very good.
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post Nov 17 2022, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(VonGoLaDeciMo @ Nov 16 2022, 10:06 PM)
aiya abit too slow haha

https://www.ritani.com/products/0-72-carat-...ku-d-3z8hel0qkj
https://www.ritani.com/products/0-93-carat-...ku-d-20caoubcxq
Thoughts on these two diamonds? Almost the same price range, I don't mind the carat size - looking for 0.7-0.9 carat diamonds.
Holloway Cut Advisor both shows 0.8

Thanks for your help bossku!
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Personally, I will go for the 0.93ct... just for its size. As far as my untrained eye is concerned. The 0.93ct D VS2 looks clean. Of course, I will recommend you to chat with their gemologist to find out more, make sure the diamond is not milky whatsoever.
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post Nov 23 2022, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(VonGoLaDeciMo @ Nov 16 2022, 10:06 PM)
aiya abit too slow haha

https://www.ritani.com/products/0-72-carat-...ku-d-3z8hel0qkj
https://www.ritani.com/products/0-93-carat-...ku-d-20caoubcxq
Thoughts on these two diamonds? Almost the same price range, I don't mind the carat size - looking for 0.7-0.9 carat diamonds.
Holloway Cut Advisor both shows 0.8

Thanks for your help bossku!
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So did you get any? Just noticed that while the diamond looks nice, it actually don't really fall within AGS Ideal or GIA EX, just IGI Ideal.
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post Dec 6 2022, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(VonGoLaDeciMo @ Dec 6 2022, 01:22 PM)
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Just got my diamond yesterday. It’s eye clean but after using my iphone 13 pro to take photo realized got abit inclusion. Overall very happy haha.
Now planning to go get ring setting at Zcova
Anyone knows of any other jewellers that do settings for own diamond? So far I found that Tailored Jewel, Castiel and Cupid Jewellery do provide setting services
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I do provide service too if you are in KL/PJ area.
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post Dec 9 2022, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(skyther @ Dec 9 2022, 03:09 PM)
Hi @kambingkoh sifu, would appreciate your advice in choosing between the 2 options below 🙏

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Personally I like the bigger one. VVS quality is abit overkill though, but if the price is good then no complains.
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post Dec 30 2022, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(happy_tiger @ Dec 30 2022, 11:49 AM)
Hi Sifu, seeking advise on two 0.5CT stones that was being offered

GIA ID 1437546680

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GIA ID 2437428694

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They are almost similar, although the 1st one seems to have better hearts & diamond
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Imo, they are almost similar. I will go with the one that I can see better hearts and arrows. If physical diamonds are available, I will see them side-by-side, see which one I like better with naked eye. If still similar, then whichever that is cheaper to be more cost-effective (although I believe the price should be the same from the looks of it).
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post Jan 5 2023, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(gn655198 @ Jan 4 2023, 03:17 PM)
hi sifu @kambingkoh

im looking for proposal ring around RM6k~8k.

Currently i have gotten few offer from local jewel shop but the price seem very expensive.

Diamond & Co - Forevermark
0.42carat, G, VVS2 RM10k++
0.40carat, I, VS2 RM7.8k++
0.31carat, G, VS2 RM5.9k++

Poh Kong - Hemera
0.3 carat, RM8k.

Tomei - Lumiere
0.3 carat, RM7k.

Just found this thread not long ago and it seem whiteflash is offering really attractive pricing for 0.4+ carat diamond aro USD1000-USD1300. Can recommend me some good choice?
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Hmm... For 6k to 8k, 0.4ct is feasible for natural diamond. In fact, you can get much higher carat weight if you opt for lab-grown diamond. I will try to find some options later.

I would probably get this if I want a natural:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link). It is larger in size compare to 0.4ct. this is around RM 6300 for stone alone.

If I want to save slightly more on comparison, I will go for this:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link). It is slightly smaller but it is also cheaper and earns the title of "collection series". So if you like such marketing, then it is good to go with this one. This is around 6100 for stone alone.

You can find out the price in ringgit via Wise: https://wise.com/invite/ath/yangk31 (affiliate link)

If you buy typical GIA stone, it will definitely be cheaper if you find the right source.

For lab-grown, I will probably pick this: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1...id=myengringexp (affiliate link)

This is also another good option:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1...id=myengringexp (affiliate link). The hearts maybe very very little bit not as good as the one above, but comparing until like this is actually not to practical. More like mind clean thing. The diamond sparkle video does show that the E VS1 has a cleaner look too, hence maybe that is one plus point over this.

Lastly, if I don't mind all those minor things, I would probably take this: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1...id=myengringexp (affiliate link), around same price but bigger, not the best hearts and arrows, but differences is trivial. Good colour, good clarity, good size, and in-house vetted. It is a nice lab-grown worth considering.

Usually I will help to do the ring setting is customer buy from WhiteFlash because alot jeweler refuse to set other jeweler's diamonds. That is also provided you are in KL/PJ area. My price for 0.4ct starts from 1600, for 1ct may be slightly higher.

Another good place to buy lab-grown is Ritani: https://www.ritani.com/collections/lab-grow...t%3Dprice%257C1. price is very very attractive. This one you can search for yourself and see.

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post Jan 6 2023, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(gn655198 @ Jan 6 2023, 09:40 AM)
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link). It is slightly smaller but it is also cheaper and earns the title of "collection series". So if you like such marketing, then it is good to go with this one. This is around 6100 for stone alone.

Thanks for the recommendation on natural and lab grown diamond. For now i'm only interest in natural diamond.

The larger stone seem have some dirt inside the heart and arrow view. The smaller one look great.

Personally i prefer the smaller one but i think most girl will focus on bigger C more than anything else since the dirt is not something we can see with naked eye.

Currently diamond and platinum staff offered me one GIA certified natural diamond 0.43carat, E, VVS2, 3ex at RM6010. GIA 2348671806. i checked the rating manually at https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca it seem getting pretty high mark. is it good? The only thing that bothered me is the GIA cert is generated on 22 Jan 2020. Wonder why nobody take it.
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The diamond is graded in Jan 2020, around MCO period. That can be one of the possible reasons why this diamond is still around. Wedding related business was slow back then.

The diamond offered by diamond and platinum has great proportions. Do note that this diamond has faint fluorescence, but it is not a deal breaker. The price is fair enough for a brick-and-mortar and if it is under their Estrella brand, it is even better as it should have a better cut quality compared to generic GIA diamonds.
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post Jan 7 2023, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(gn655198 @ Jan 6 2023, 04:18 PM)
This is not under Estrella brand. Only their stock GIA certified loose diamond, this diamond have 57 cut.
below is the scope image.
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Looks pretty nice. Do you have the image from the bottom? That's the hearts.
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post Jan 8 2023, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(gn655198 @ Jan 7 2023, 12:57 PM)
This is the heart image.

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Not the best of hearts, but decent enough for me. You can consider about this diamond or maybe even haggle a little
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post Jan 9 2023, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(gn655198 @ Jan 8 2023, 01:39 AM)
i've tried asking for some discount but unfortunately the price is net. Non nego. Price pair with platinum ring would be around RM7410.

Since my gf do not know much about jewel i felt it is more suitable to propose with branded ring (shop like love & co, degem, tiffany & co, poh kong, tomei etc) more than custom made GIA certified ring.

I visited love & co, degem, and wahchan today to do some price checking and below is my finding.

Love & Co (Lovemarque) - i liked the design but the price was big knock off. With my budget i can get 0.3carat ring.

Degem (BigC, Lazare diamond) - BigC was pretty impressive, nice design, nice presentation, well explained, and my budget only can get 0.3 caret ring. D, VS1 spec. After knowing my budget the sales person offered me their lazare diamond ring, 0.43 carat/VS2/I clarity. Simple yet elegant design. I liked.

He told me lazare diamond is a premium brand and very well known in SEA market. They give huge discount to clear the stock (the price tagged 3 year back is around 13k) now net at RM8300. Is this deal worth it?

Wah Chan - Very friendly sales rep. Offered me 0.50 carat/H/VS2 gem at RM7800 and 0.40 carat/D/VVS1 gem at RM6100. (Loose diamond only). Didnt pull trigger cause the ring setting look dated.

Lastly, diamond & platinum - I went back and told them the situation. Sales rep was friendly and offered me their in house brand estella. 0.41 carat/E/VS1. RM10240 with platinum ring setting. This is my first choice since i like it but it was over my budget and I do not know as if my gf will like it since this is not international brand.

Wonder if I should go for forevermark or lazare ring offered by degem? Is I color look bad? Honestly I can't see any different between E and I with my naked eye.
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7410 seems like a decent price for brick-and-mortar.

LoveMarque - I prefer the one with IIDGR cert over the IGI cert. The former cert has hearts and arrows image. You are paying extra for the branding and the marketing. I would consider though, if I want some branding. Love & Co settings look great.

Lazare - this brand is quite famous I believe. In the US, some may also heard of it. They are well-cut diamonds. Nett at 8300 for I VS2 again, is overpriced, unless you want the branding. They used to quote me 12 to 13k for 0.4 F VS2 I think. I can probably do that in almost half if I remove the branding - GIA + custom ring. Still, if you priority is branding, do consider. They should be clearing stock to make way for their new brand Brilliant C, which I believe is graded by AGS and it is their in-house brand.

Wah Chan usually offers best bang for your buck diamond prices. If you like the stone, and you feel that their design is dated, you can see if they custom for you.

Recent Estrella by forumers here show that the stones have decent proportions. But 10k for that specs is still expensive IMO.

I colour is still consider near colourless. It may be hard to see the differences. You may notice the differences under certain lighting environment, but in normal view, it is hard to see.

Based on what you said, it seems that you are aiming for branding. If that is the case, Forevermark may be the better option. At least I see them as a more internationally recognized brand. Forevermark black label is their top of the line as far as I know.

Forevermark in malaysia is distributed by Degem. Diamond and Platinum belongs to the same Degem group, so they carry that brand as well. Plus point of getting Forevermark is the ring designs, which is only eligible for Forevermark stones, and they seem beautiful.



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post Jan 9 2023, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(gn655198 @ Jan 9 2023, 11:49 AM)
Thanks for the helpful recommendation. I will go for forevermark stone for 0.36c/D/VS1. Price around RM8.2k ++ but loved the design and stone! Guess i will order it tonight.
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Drop us some gorgeous pics!
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post Jan 10 2023, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(gn655198 @ Jan 9 2023, 10:27 PM)
My photo taking skill is very bad.

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Looks nice. Good luck with your proposal!
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post Jan 18 2023, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(penguinno1 @ Jan 18 2023, 07:39 AM)
Hi sifus,

am planning to get a lab diamond ring from Ritani because of the pricing they provide, but abit skeptical on it since the price they are providing is so much cheaper than other brand such as ZCOVA, is there anything else that I need to know before purchasing from them?

This is the diamond im looking at for the moment.

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This diamond is created using CVD process, not HPHT.

CVD is cheaper. HPHT is more expensive.

"The HPHT method, first used to successfully grow diamonds by General Electric in 1954, essentially mimics the natural process - carbon is crystallized as diamond through intense heat and pressure deep within the Earth.'

"In the past, CVD synthetics displayed graining patterns not found in natural diamonds, as well as distinctive fluorescence reactions."

So based on above statements, I will say that HPHT should be more similar to natural diamond.

ZCOVA lab grown diamond is not cheap, but neither it is overly expensive. I think you may get 10% discount, but I am not sure whether the promo has ended.

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https://www.gia.edu/gia-news-research-impro...ive%20equipment.
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post Jan 19 2023, 03:38 AM

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QUOTE(penguinno1 @ Jan 18 2023, 10:19 PM)
TBH it doesnt concern me too much whether if its CVD or HPHT as long as they look fine to naked eye, am more worried regarding if purchasing from a US site and not a local vendor will results in extra hassle if anythings go wrong.

Maybe also if there is any additonal tax and duties I need to pay when the diamond arrived (but during the checkout page they mention there is no additional charges that is)
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As far as I know, there are no taxes for loose diamond if you import into Malaysia from the US.

Personally, I would say buying from US is a rather straight-forward process and the shipment will most likely be insured if they opt for FeDex of DHL.

As for the diamond itself, I would say it is easier than buying an electrical item from overseas since electrical item may spoil and we will need to claim warranty, while for loose diamond, it is what it is. Of course, there is still a slim chance that things may go very wrong, but I think for me, if the loose diamond is cheaper, it is worth the risk, again, just my personal opinion.

My other concern will be getting the ring set, you will need to find a jeweler that is willing to set your loose diamond, and I will say better get a quick quotation first before pulling the trigger just in case the total price for both diamond and ring is not worth it.

I won't suggest you to buy the whole engagement ring (diamond + ring) and import in from the US because that will be count as a jewelry piece and it is taxable. I am not sure about the tax percentage though.
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QUOTE(penguinno1 @ Jan 20 2023, 02:41 PM)
Wow this helped alot, I never know that getting a whole ring form overseas is taxable since the customer services told me that I will only be paying the amount shown at checkout and not any additional duties and taxes.

Maybe I will consider getting just the loose diamond in this case.

Is there any recommend jeweler to set the loose diamond?
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if you are in PJ area, I do provide such service, or you can also ask around jewelers like Boa Jewels, ZCOVA, Tailored Jewel, iDo Jewelry etc.

I think even local chain stores can help to set. Try asking.
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QUOTE(entaro @ Jan 27 2023, 12:16 AM)
hi guys, My 20th anniversary is coming soon in 4 weeks, I'm looking at this diamond for my Mrs. I'm a noob in diamond and my only criteria is for the diamond to look bright and bigger than its weight lol

Here are the diamonds I'm looking at currently :

https://zcova.com/mined-diamond/selected-di...t&start=diamond
GIA 6405855422

https://zcova.com/mined-diamond/selected-di...t&start=diamond
GIA 6402204160

https://zcova.com/mined-diamond/selected-di...t&start=diamond
GIA 7453342861

https://zcova.com/mined-diamond/selected-di...t&start=diamond
GIA 7401976361

https://zcova.com/mined-diamond/selected-di...t&start=diamond
GIA 3455389111
Appreciate any comments or feedbacks which one I should go for, thanks in advance!
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Among all these, and limited to only all these few diamonds, I think my top pick will be GIA 6402204160. Reason is that the arrows seem decent enough, the proportions look decent, the inclusions seem transparent enough for my untrained eye, and there is medium blue fluorescence, which in theory can help to negate some yellow tint of the diamond, if any.

Followed by GIA 3455389111. The proportions are decent. Inclusions doesn't seem obvious. Strong fluorescence is not really necessary since it is still a G colour diamond. But it does help to lower down the price.

For both diamonds, I will check with ZCOVA for milkiness, just for peace of mind. They should have the BGM data, whereby M stands for milkiness. B, G, accordingly to the internet stands for Brown and Green. They represent a hue on the diamond, and if my memory serves me right, this hue doesn't affect colour grading, but a G colour diamond with Brown hue is not preferred compares to a G colour diamond with no hue (or something like that). You can YouTube about this diamond hue thing, I think Jann Paul (famous hearts and arrows jeweler in SG) shared before.

For what's worth, engage ZCOVA for assistance. You will need all the assistance you can get because... You have only 4 weeks. Not that you don't have enough time, but if you need time to process through and think through alot, then is another story. Therefore, do keep an eye on the time. Good luck man.

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post Jan 30 2023, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(entaro @ Jan 28 2023, 06:36 PM)
thanks kambingkoh , you are a saviour! I know time is tight, last minute only decided to buy a diamond, much cheaper than rolex, can you believe it lol. I have booked a consultation with zcova next week. hope they can meet the timeline. you are a legend bro!  will update how it goes,anything else I need to ask the SA, hope they can allow viewing for me to compare the actual diamond

BTW, what is GemEx certification ,is it important to have the certification?

Is LUMOS by zcova overrated ?
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Gemex is just one of the proprietary way to measure the light performance of a diamond. Good to have, can probably give you better peace of mind. Blue Nile Astor collection also uses the same, but their standard might be higher when it comes to light performance to qualify for Astor badge. LUMOS accepts High to Very High to become LUMOS. https://blog.zcova.com/2020/04/02/zcova-in-...-certification/

Lumos is just a marketing term to coin their top picked diamonds. Something good to have, and as far as I can tell, they don't seem to apply additional premium on LUMOS diamonds, which is a good thing.

They might apply a premium if the diamond is stored in-house, but this is just my guess, so take it with a pinch of salt.

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