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Advice Wanted [WTA] Proposal Ring & Wedding Bands, Please advice me!! Need Help!!

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post Jun 1 2022, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(Pikachoo0131 @ Jun 1 2022, 05:19 PM)
Hello kambing, may i know some opinion on this diamond ? Quite concern regarding the cloudy inclusion
Seller mention the cloudy inclusion is at the side
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Proportions are excellent.

Looks like a diamond that is with the seller based on the date of the report. You may want to visit your seller and have a look.

SI1 can be a good bargain if it is eye-clean.
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post Jun 5 2022, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(eternity4av @ Jun 5 2022, 09:39 AM)
Dear senior, thanks for your advise thus far, while I'm beefing up my own knowledge , would want to know your opinion on this three,
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0.5ct H SI1
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0.4ct E VS1
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0.3ct E VS1
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First diamond seems okay in terms of proportions, can explore further to check on the overall cut quality. Faint fluorescence can reduce the price a little.

Second diamond is not a 3EX, can skip. 41.6 pavilion angle is usually not good.

Third diamond seems okay in terms of proportions, can explore further to check on the overall cut quality. Faint fluorescence can reduce the price a little.

Fourth diamond seems okay in terms of proportions, can explore further to check on the overall cut quality. Strong fluorescence can reduce the price more than faint fluorescence.

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1. Make sure they are eye-clean enough, especially for lower clarity grades, such as SI1, SI2.

2. It is better to see the real diamond in real life or through picture or video. Try not to buy solely based on certificate/grading report.
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post Jun 5 2022, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(eternity4av @ Jun 5 2022, 06:23 PM)
Hello senior, thanks for your feedback, apologies, seems that I've uploaded the first and third diamond twice. Can I assume that fourth diamond that you're referring to is the 0.3ct ones? And how do we interpret the second diamond is not 3EX, even so the cert stated so, is it due to pavilion angle? And what would be your recommend pavilion angle? So I can took consideration of the new exploration. Many thanks.
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how do we interpret the second diamond is not 3EX - It is written in the grading report, symmetry is just "Very Good". Triple Excellent simply means grading report should show "Excellent Cut, Excellent Polish, Excellent Symmetry".

As for whether due to pavilion angle or not, I am not sure, but for sure I won't take a 41.6 pavilion angle diamond. Even at 41.4 usually will be leaking light. You can use this Cut Estimator tool at DiamondScreener: https://www.diamondscreener.com/cut-estimator/. Key in the parameters. Look at the actual diamonds that share similar table size, crown angle, and pavilion angle at the bottom section, you will notice that the arrows are not clear at all.

I usually will follow WhiteFlash recommendation: https://www.whiteflash.com/a-cut-above-diam...id=myengringexp (affiliate link). However, do note that some diamonds that are out of the requirement of WhiteFlash can look beautiful too.

You can also refer to Lazare's proportions: https://www.lazarediamonds-sea.com/what-is-...mond.php/lang/s

Both are different brands, their requirement can be slightly different. If you want to know how well a Lazare perform, just visit DeGem.

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post Jun 5 2022, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(eternity4av @ Jun 5 2022, 10:09 PM)
dear senior, thanks for pointing out, I've misunderstood EX is only for Cut. had took your pointers and picked a few based on WhiteFlash reccomendations, not too sure is this a good one? and I purposely pick 0.33ct to be compared with 0.4ct, will the these two will look identical?
0.33ct E VS1 RM2,417.61 loose diamond only https://gia.degemdiamond.com/gia/UPIN00305
0.4ct E VS1 RM4,992.24 loose diamond only https://gia.degemdiamond.com/gia/VSH091107

many thanks.
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They look like pretty good diamonds. I won't know for sure, but the performance should be similar based on the proportions. Both diamonds look lovely. Do note that the 0.33ct has strong blue fluorescence which most likely should be okay, but for peace of mind, if you intend to buy that one, do check with DeGem and make sure the fluorescence does not cause any milkiness.
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post Jun 6 2022, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(eternity4av @ Jun 6 2022, 08:03 AM)
Thanks alot Sifu! Hope you don't mind asking further since you've pointed out about fluorescence, what would be the ideal fluorescence settings? Let's say E VS1 or H SI 1.
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Sources on internet and also in-store told me that diamonds with fluorescence works best with lower colour grades diamond as it can help to balance off the yellow tint. So if based on colour, I think it will work better with H. But if you ask me in reality what I prefer, I will still need to see the overall price and cut quality, and of course, the carat weight.
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post Jun 10 2022, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(eternity4av @ Jun 10 2022, 08:05 AM)
Dear Senior, they suggested an alternative from the 0.33ct that I've pick here : https://gia.degemdiamond.com/public/gia/USH413383

Do you personally think this is a better pick than the previous?
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I prefer the previous one, as long as the strong fluorescence has no negative impact. The arrows look nicer.

Actually what sort of 4Cs and budget you are looking for (if you don't mind sharing).
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post Jun 13 2022, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(eternity4av @ Jun 11 2022, 08:36 AM)
sorry, I wasn't sure the exact 4Cs, but most importantly is the best value that I could get from in terms of the quality. budget is pretty much the same as the previous, because this one is just additional rm100 from the existing but there's no milkiness, and fluoroscent according to the shop, so he advises to take this instead.
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These are my choices close to your budget:

https://gia.degemdiamond.com/gia/USH345097 - I like how this looks, it has etch-channel inclusion as the main inclusion, which is one of the none preferred inclusions based on niceice: https://niceice.com/diamond-clarity-grades/. Nonetheless, this is very subjective and you may want to consult with your consultant and see whether this inclusion is a problem.

https://gia.degemdiamond.com/gia/USH420514 - This diamond is very eye-clean since it is a VVS2. Proportions look decent as well. Overall cut quality looks good too unless you want to be picky with the cut quality at the 1 o'clock region. Since this is a diamond from the virtual inventory, I won't complain. If I want a damn clean diamond, this will be it.

https://gia.degemdiamond.com/gia/VSH008585 - This is also not bad for a virtual inventory diamond.

https://gia.degemdiamond.com/gia/USH420514 - This is probably my top choice since it is basically a none fluorescence diamond. Then again, Faint fluorescence is really nothing negative if you ask me, but if you want something close to some "signature" specs, "none" fluorescence is one of the criteria. Whether this is more like a marketing gimmick, is up to individual interpretation.

All the diamonds above fall within AGS Ideal and GIA EX based on DiamondScreener Cut Estimator: https://www.diamondscreener.com/cut-estimator/

I did not use HCA tool, which you can try it on your own (1 day 3 times free).

Overall, try to check with your consultant and see. His/her choice or opinion may differ from mine, but to me, these are worth exploring.
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post Jun 16 2022, 12:58 PM

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DeGem now has AGS diamonds to sell under their new BrilliantC brand. Diamonds will be AGS0000, including light performance. So probably I should expect IdealScope and ASET scope in their showrooms soon enough.

https://www.tatlerasia.com/style/jewellery/...amond?preview=1
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post Jun 18 2022, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(eternity4av @ Jun 18 2022, 06:28 AM)
sure, will do thank you.
yeah, the jeweler told me that the twisted band I've chosen will be soon moved to this brand, and the price will hike, I was like amused. But aren't AGS standards are way lower if I not mistaken? Where does BrilliantC sits in between Lazare & Forevermark, I wonder.
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Personally, I won't think that AGS standard is way lower. There can be discrepancy when a diamond is submitted to different lab for grading whereby one lab may say that diamond is D colour while the other the other lab may say is E colour, for example. Last time when Crafted by Infinity (a diamond brand) was still around, their diamonds have Triple Certification with GIA, AGS, and GCAL. From there you can see sometimes AGS will give higher grade, while sometimes GIA may give higher grade, in fact, there is instance whereby both AGS and GIA provide the same grade, while GCAL provide a lower grade. Nonetheless, the results should mostly be one grade apart if there is any discrepancy. Even if the same diamond gets submitted back to the same lab but graded by different peers, the result can be different. Diamond grading is still done by humans as far as I know and there can still be a subjective thing despite they are well-trained.

Another example is that the diamonds I sell sometimes can have H+ or H-. H+ means the supplier thinks that it is G colour, while GIA thinks that it is H, while H- means the supplier thinks that it is I colour, while GIA thinks that it is H. Something like that. (Updated)

Overall, the standard widely accepted in the world is still GIA. So for those people with concern or skeptical with different lab grading, best way is still stick with GIA.

Typical 4Cs are the price determining factor, including cut. But the cut in 4Cs does not determine the actual optical precision. To put in layman, imagine this as an exam, score 70% is grade A, score 90% is grade A, score 100% is also grade A.

My personal preference is actually still with cut quality that includes optical precision and for this AGS can provide more detail. Other labs like IGI or GCAL can also provide more details. All these will depend on the grading report they have chosen to use.

Lazare and Forevermark grade stones themselves. GIA and AGS are independent lab.

At the end of the day, it all boils down to what a person wants. To max value, look for typical GIA diamonds with great optical precision.

Twisted band? You bought your ring dy?

Price hike I won't be surprised. It should be more expensive to be graded by AGS since the diamonds need to send to US. AGS has only one location as far as I know. For GIA, they have multiple branches in the world.

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post Jun 20 2022, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(alrasla @ Jun 20 2022, 06:13 PM)
GIA 6411349082
GIA 2376591918

Dear sifu which one to choose ?
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Based on proportions, I am more inclined to choose the first diamond. It has a small culet though. Preferably it is none.

Nonetheless, try to get the picture or video of both diamonds to make a better judgement.
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post Jun 24 2022, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(JCDrew90 @ Jun 24 2022, 05:48 PM)
Sifus, could you advise which is the better choice?

GIA6381773164
GIA6224307594
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Both proportions seem not bad, but I will probably get 6224307594 since it has bigger face-up measurements.

Nonetheless, we only have the proportions, we do not have the actual image or video to make better judgement. I won't recommend to buy based on numbers alone.
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post Jun 26 2022, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(sellthisalienware @ Jun 26 2022, 01:57 PM)
First diamond is not even Triple Excellent, so it is best to skip it.

Second diamond's proportions look good, but not image or video, best to get it from the seller before making any decision. Also note that this diamond is SI1 with feather inclusion, make sure it is safe enough.

The last ZCOVA diamond, please skip it. It is not Triple Excellent.

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post Jun 27 2022, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(sellthisalienware @ Jun 27 2022, 02:57 PM)
Many thanks for your reply. May I know what is your thoughts if comparing between the second diamond to these diamonds below?

https://www.audreys.com.my/diamond-detail.h...diamond_id=9380

https://gia.degemdiamond.com/gia/VPIN8Z048

https://gia.degemdiamond.com/gia/VSMIP015

Or do you have any recommendations for a 0.6ct diamond?
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The Audrey diamond has no clear arrows. You can ask them to find diamonds with better arrows. Let them know your budget.

The 2nd diamond has no picture. Hard to tell.

The 3rd diamond has no picture too, but it is not a Triple Excellent diamond, so I won't recommend it.

You can check out with DeGem to find out more on your options.

May I know your budget for 0.6?
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post Jun 27 2022, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(JCDrew90 @ Jun 27 2022, 06:14 PM)
Thanks sifu. Here's the actual image / video.
I do agree that I like 6224307594 better. It is also cheaper compared to the other.
6381773164:
ZCOVA Image: GIA6381773164
GIA Report: GIA6381773164

6224307594:
ZCOVA Image: GIA6224307594
GIA Report: GIA6224307594
I was also thinking to save some more money by going down on clarity. Here is one I was looking at, but my only concern is that the magnified image has quite an obvious inclusion at the bottom. Just wondering would it be noticeable with the naked eye? If purely looking from the naked eye, would this be good enough?

3395035441:
ZCOVA Image: GIA3395035441
GIA Report: GIA3395035441
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The VS1 looks pretty decent. It's a VS1, I won't be bothered by its inclusions. Top view looks eye clean enough. Among these 3, i will say it will be my top choice.
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QUOTE(Gorila_ @ Jul 24 2022, 11:23 PM)
been shopping for ring, was offered this by wah chan.Colour is yellow and has medium blue florescent. Not too sure with the K colour.

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=1325202490
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41.4 pavilion angle... use cut estimator and see how similar diamond looks like: https://www.diamondscreener.com/cut-estimator/

You will see that the arrows are mostly blurred out.

Try to ask for options to compare with.
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post Jul 26 2022, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(magic-addict @ Jul 26 2022, 03:04 AM)
Been learning alot from this thread.

Opinions on this diamond: https://zcova.com/diamond?diamond=274876370.
GIA report: https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6411758936

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Pretty decent diamond with good proportions. You can check similar table, crown, pavilion diamonds in diamondscreener: https://www.diamondscreener.com/cut-estimator/

Not exactly Hearts & Arrows, but will do fine.

Price is fair enough IMO, considering the service they able to provide.
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QUOTE(CheezyWedgez @ Jul 27 2022, 12:20 PM)
Dear sifu sekalian,

Been searching for diamond recently to propose to my gf soon.

Mind to give some opinions regarding this diamond?

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2434710790

Thanks in advance!

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Looks okay. Can be slightly better for the 6 o'clock arrow. Price wise can be little bit cheaper. 4Cs alone, ZCOVA is slightly cheaper. Then again, you have to see the overall package to compare.
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post Jul 27 2022, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(Gorila_ @ Jul 27 2022, 10:39 PM)
Personally I'm got confused looking at so many diamonds.

Was offered 9k for that ring, so I bought it. They have some 0.5 SI1 E.colour going for 8k. So I went for the carat size route.

They even allow me to compare under natural light by taking out to open air. I couldn't appreciate any difference about the fire from my rookie eyes.
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9k for that 4Cs + ring alone is decent enough.
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post Jul 28 2022, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(CheezyWedgez @ Jul 28 2022, 08:27 AM)
First of all, thanks for the reply. This diamond is actually from ZCOVA, recommended by their staff. One issue I have with this diamond is the inclusion of "Twinning wisp." Should it be a concern since I've read some articles indicating that this particular inclusion might cause the diamond to appear cloudy or milky?  ohmy.gif
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For this you can ask the staff for their opinion. Also, diamond supplier sometimes may have the BGM indicator, which stands for Brown Green Milky. Make sure that is a No.

Lastly, if you still have concerns, try to up the clarity level to VS1.
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QUOTE(ebayer @ Aug 15 2022, 10:12 PM)
Anyone have experience buying lab-grown diamonds from Brilliant Earth? They seem to have a large collection.

Or anyone willing to share other places to buy lab-grown diamonds
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I thinks someone here mentioned BrilliantEarth before.

Anyway, here you go:
https://bglab.briangavindiamonds.com/?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link) - Usually starts from 1 carat, I don't know whether they do smaller carat weight or not.

https://blog.zcova.com/2022/06/01/chya-lab-diamond/ - I don't see them listing anywhere on their website, try to message them and ask.

https://www.tailoredjewel.com/tj-beyond/ - You may need to message them to ask further.

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