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Advice Wanted [WTA] Proposal Ring & Wedding Bands, Please advice me!! Need Help!!

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kambingkoh
post Jan 17 2018, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(GetHappy @ Jan 17 2018, 04:15 PM)
Hey all: i made up my mind to get a diamond recently while hoping for the exchange rate to drop; however my girlfriend told me that a diamond is not practical and useful. She told me she prefer a white gold ring.

Anybody knows of a good place to get a while gold ring in Malaysia?

I am torn between getting a loose diamond on a temporary ring setting v.s just a plain white gold ring; if in accordance. Any advices? lol...
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Get some other gems instead of diamond. They can be much cheaper. You can engage Tailored Jewel and see what he can provide. His price is pretty good.

Or if you just want a wedding band in white gold, you can engage him as well. Or alternatively, Memory Jewellery at Sentul or iDo Jewellery at Bukit Jalil. Maybe get a nice white gold ring with paved diamonds. Shops like Wah Chan can also provide affordable couple rings.

Unless your gf is implying the opposite, then there is no need to torn between getting a diamond or not. You can consider putting the allocated budget into something more practical, like stocks or FD. You can always buy her a 4 carat diamond for 40 years anniversary when you are rich later. tongue.gif no kidding, I think there is one Malaysian did that.

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post Jan 18 2018, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(KenshinXX @ Jan 17 2018, 03:49 PM)
Thanks for the advice.
I have yet make decision about the color nor material.
You had reminded me these!

Can you recommend another diamond if the ring is settled with white gold or platinum?
The budget can be RM5k - 6k.

As for color and clarity, I thought color has to be D-F and clarity has to be IF, WS1, WS2 or VS1...

As for the ring, white gold or platinum or any other material is recommended?
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0.411ct F VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Diamond
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link).
USD 1292 (Around RM 5450 after factoring in GST and misc. charges)
Calculate ideal weight: 0.409ct
This diamond has the proportions that can return excellent fire. There seem to be some minor bending heart tips at 1 o’clock and 2 o’clock positions, but they are pretty negligible for me. This is a wonderful diamond.

Alternatively, you may consider Black by Brian Gavin. They have some 0.4x ct that are simply excellent! But slightly more expensive. Perhaps you can mention about the free shipping promo that has expired, like what did other former did, and maybe they will grant you one. wink.gif if you don’t get free shipping, shipment will cost you around USD 55. Anyway, since your budget allows, I will seriously consider Black by Brian Gavin. Their cut is simply consistent and precise. Besides, they are E colour, so why not?

0.410ct E VS1
https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link)
USD 1400
Calculated ideal weight: 0.409ct

0.405ct E VS1
https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link)
USD 1366
Calculated ideal weight: 0.405ct

0.407ct E VS1
https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link)
USD 1366
Calculated ideal weight: 0.406ct

0.403ct E VS1
https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link)
USD 1366
Calculated ideal weight: 0.403ct

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Jan 18 2018, 09:30 AM
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post Jan 18 2018, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 18 2018, 12:19 AM)
0.411ct F VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Diamond
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link).
USD 1292 (Around RM 5450 after factoring in GST and misc. charges)
Calculate ideal weight: 0.409ct
This diamond has the proportions that can return excellent fire. There seem to be some minor bending heart tips at 1 o’clock and 2 o’clock positions, but they are pretty negligible for me. This is a wonderful diamond.

Alternatively, you may consider Black by Brian Gavin. They have some 0.4x ct that are simply excellent! But slightly more expensive. Perhaps you can mention about the free shipping promo that has expired, like what did other former did, and maybe they will grant you one. wink.gif if you don’t get free shipping, shipment will cost you around USD 55. Anyway, since your budget allows, I will seriously consider Black by Brian Gavin. Their cut is simply consistent and precise. Besides, they are E colour, so why not?

0.410ct E VS1
https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link)
USD 1400
Calculated ideal weight: 0.409ct

0.405ct E VS1
https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link)
USD 1366
Calculated ideal weight: 0.405ct

0.407ct E VS1
https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link)
USD 1366
Calculated ideal weight: 0.406ct

0.403ct E VS1
https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link)
USD 1366
Calculated ideal weight: 0.403ct
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Hi KambingKoh,

Thanks for the recommendation. So you mean the diamond from Brian Gavin is usually a better choice that Whiteflash?
Or the quality would be higher from Brian and Gavin?




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post Jan 18 2018, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(KenshinXX @ Jan 18 2018, 08:42 AM)
Hi KambingKoh,

Thanks for the recommendation. So you mean the diamond from Brian Gavin is usually a better choice that Whiteflash?
Or the quality would be higher from Brian and Gavin?
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I would say that Brian Gavin would have a more consistent quality compared to WhiteFlash, while WhiteFlash provides better price. However, do note that I am comparing minor details, not major ones (because there simply aren't any major differences as far as I can tell).

Also, do note that the way Brian Gavin captures the photo is different from how WhiteFlash captures it. The hearts capturing can be tricky because sometimes you will see some minor bending but when you adjust it again, they are perfect. Therefore, I will give WhiteFlash the benefit of doubt for some minor issues like bending heart tips. But to make things simple, I will just assume that they are the same and I will say that Brian Gavin has a more consistent quality overall. To be fair, the cut quality of WhiteFlash seems to have improved at the end of last quarter, so I will expect more of those quality coming out from WhiteFlash.

For your case, since your budget allows it and the options available at WhiteFlash that meets your requirements and my desired requirements are pretty limited, therefore, I think it is best if I let you know about the offerings from Black By Brian Gavin as well. If you ask me which diamond I will buy, it will be this one https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp. It seems to have the best performance overall (brilliance, fire, scintillation), and it has the proportions I desired (the small table, the high crown, the 76% lower girdle facet).

Btw, 34.5 crown angle and 40.8 pavilion angle is pairing that is very much desired by a lot of people (I guess) because it is almost the same as Tolkowsky's ideal cut (34.5 crown angle and 40.75 pavilion angle). Personally don't mind diamond with steeper crown angle as it may increase the fire.

My second choice will be this one: 0.407ct https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp. It has a wider table but the steeper crown angle will make up for its fire. The shaft of the hearts also looks better as well, but that is not something important. In fact, I would say its Hearts is the best among all but this is simply splitting hairs!

p.s. Btw, the link for the 0.403 I listed earlier is wrong, it should be this one: https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Jan 18 2018, 09:33 AM
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post Jan 18 2018, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 17 2018, 05:58 PM)
Get some other gems instead of diamond. They can be much cheaper. You can engage Tailored Jewel and see what he can provide. His price is pretty good.

Or if you just want a wedding band in white gold, you can engage him as well. Or alternatively, Memory Jewellery at Sentul or iDo Jewellery at Bukit Jalil. Maybe get a nice white gold ring with paved diamonds. Shops like Wah Chan can also provide affordable couple rings.

Unless your gf is implying the opposite, then there is no need to torn between getting a diamond or not. You can consider putting the allocated budget into something more practical, like stocks or FD. You can always buy her a 4 carat diamond for 40 years anniversary when you are rich later. tongue.gif no kidding, I think there is one Malaysian did that.
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Thanks for the options koh. It seems daunting however: i think most guys succumb to the idea of a diamond ring proposal even though its not necessary (heart says diamond diamond). LOL guess i will get a 0.3x diamond then wedding band can choose wedding band white gold ring tgt. Although am not sure would she be happy if i proposed with a diamond ring instead of a white gold ring....aghhhhh..
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post Jan 18 2018, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(GetHappy @ Jan 18 2018, 05:19 PM)
Thanks for the options koh. It seems daunting however: i think most guys succumb to the idea of a diamond ring proposal even though its not necessary (heart says diamond diamond). LOL guess i will get a 0.3x diamond then wedding band can choose wedding band white gold ring tgt. Although am not sure would she be happy if i proposed with a diamond ring instead of a white gold ring....aghhhhh..
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ohmy.gif make sure dont backfire bro lol. Good luck!
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post Jan 21 2018, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 18 2018, 09:30 AM)
I would say that Brian Gavin would have a more consistent quality compared to WhiteFlash, while WhiteFlash provides better price. However, do note that I am comparing minor details, not major ones (because there simply aren't any major differences as far as I can tell).

Also, do note that the way Brian Gavin captures the photo is different from how WhiteFlash captures it. The hearts capturing can be tricky because sometimes you will see some minor bending but when you adjust it again, they are perfect. Therefore, I will give WhiteFlash the benefit of doubt for some minor issues like bending heart tips. But to make things simple, I will just assume that they are the same and I will say that Brian Gavin has a more consistent quality overall. To be fair, the cut quality of WhiteFlash seems to have improved at the end of last quarter, so I will expect more of those quality coming out from WhiteFlash.

For your case, since your budget allows it and the options available at WhiteFlash that meets your requirements and my desired requirements are pretty limited, therefore, I think it is best if I let you know about the offerings from Black By Brian Gavin as well. If you ask me which diamond I will buy, it will be this one https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp. It seems to have the best performance overall (brilliance, fire, scintillation), and it has the proportions I desired (the small table, the high crown, the 76% lower girdle facet).

Btw, 34.5 crown angle and 40.8 pavilion angle is pairing that is very much desired by a lot of people (I guess) because it is almost the same as Tolkowsky's ideal cut (34.5 crown angle and 40.75 pavilion angle). Personally don't mind diamond with steeper crown angle as it may increase the fire.

My second choice will be this one: 0.407ct https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp. It has a wider table but the steeper crown angle will make up for its fire. The shaft of the hearts also looks better as well, but that is not something important. In fact, I would say its Hearts is the best among all but this is simply splitting hairs!

p.s. Btw, the link for the 0.403 I listed earlier is wrong, it should be this one: https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp
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Thanks kambongkoh
I had bought it as ur first choice and waiting for the delivery.
Next task will be the finger size collection.
It seems a huge challenge for me...
Anyway, appreciate for your guide!
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post Jan 21 2018, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(KenshinXX @ Jan 21 2018, 08:28 AM)
Thanks kambongkoh
I had bought it as ur first choice and waiting for the delivery.
Next task will be the finger size collection.
It seems a huge challenge for me...
Anyway, appreciate for your guide!
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Hmm I am guessing it will be a surprise proprosal, so you can actually propose with a temporary ring holder / spring holder. If Brian Gavin has not shipped out your diamond, you can request for them to hold the diamond on that temporary ring holder and put the whole thing in a ring box. If they have already shipped, then you can buy it on Ali Express:

naked gemstone plate ring stone holder diamond ring holder tools for jewelry
http://s.aliexpress.com/qeqyeEfy?fromSns=Copy to Clipboard
(from AliExpress Android)

Depends on when you need it, there should be a few options of express delivery to choose from, but the fastest method will cost you USD 30 approximately.

There may be some other stores in AliExpress. Just happened that I bought from this store. Anyway, try to message Brian Gavin first and see how, if this is the way you decide to propose. After this, only bring her to the jeweller to design and measure the ring size.

Good luck!

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Jan 21 2018, 09:36 AM
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If I don’t know the size of my gf finger how do people go about buying a ring in such circumstances?
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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Jan 26 2018, 09:06 AM)
If I don’t know the size of my gf finger how do people go about buying a ring in such circumstances?
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use thread to measure her finger while she sleeping.
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post Jan 26 2018, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Jan 26 2018, 09:06 AM)
If I don’t know the size of my gf finger how do people go about buying a ring in such circumstances?
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That's why usually jewelers will give you free resize. But I don't prefer resizing the ring because they might be a chance that the job will be sloppy.

I would usually recommend people to propose with a temporary ring holder:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/naked-gemst...addresstype=600

and then only go choose/custom a ring setting.

For excellent precision diamonds at reasonable prices, you can consider WhiteFlash (affiliate link) or Brian Gavin Diamonds (affiliate link).

You can probably only use wire transfer because one of the forumers has problem using credit card. Not sure why. Probably is their country's security checking. Anyway, you can try if you wish to. But the benefit of using wire transfer is the cheaper price of the diamond. You can use MoneyMatch to transfer the money. They are very reliable and efficient.

By the way, current USD rate is damn good: MYR 3.8941.

You will of course kena 6% GST and some negligible charges.

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post Jan 29 2018, 01:07 PM

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post Jan 29 2018, 01:59 PM

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hi sifus,
i've been reading this thread in past few days. so i'm still searching for the right one for my girl. i have a budget of 6k for the stone only. any good recommendation? smile.gif
BTW, is it really secure to buy online and have the stone ship back to m'sia? Do we need to buy separate insurance for the delivery? confused.gif


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post Jan 29 2018, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(ratscorp @ Jan 29 2018, 01:59 PM)
hi sifus,
i've been reading this thread in past few days. so i'm still searching for the right one for my girl. i have a budget of 6k for the stone only. any good recommendation?  smile.gif
BTW, is it really secure to buy online and have the stone ship back to m'sia? Do we need to buy separate insurance for the delivery? confused.gif
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Hi Ratscorp,

This looks like a decent piece to me:

Hearts and Arrows 0.405 ct Round E VS1, USD 1366.
https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link)
Calculated ideal weight rounded up to 3 decimal places matches the actual weight.

Shipping should cost around USD 55, making the total to be approximately USD 1421. Add GST 6%, the price should be around USD 1506.26. There are some misc. charges around RM 20 - 30 so I will just make the total to be USD 1520. Given the current USD to ringgit rate is around 3.9, this means the final price will be around RM 5928, including shipping and insurance to your door step.

As for insurance, they already included it in the shipment via Fedex so you don't have to worry about it. You can opt to buy extra I think but I don't think I will spend that money. Fedex itself is very reliable IMO. So, yes, shipping is secured and insured. I have bought 2 stones and 1 pair of earrings from WhiteFlash / Brian Gavin to-date.

This will probably be the piece I would get after considering offerings from WhiteFlash as well. There are some decent ones there, but this one is better IMO.

Let me know if you need further help.



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thanks Kambingkoh for your recommendation, one more question - should i sacrifice color for bigger stone?
like this one- https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds...gs-104097387013
just addition of 50USD unsure.gif
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QUOTE(ratscorp @ Jan 30 2018, 11:37 AM)
thanks Kambingkoh for your recommendation, one more question - should i sacrifice color for bigger stone?
like this one- https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds...gs-104097387013
just addition of 50USD  unsure.gif
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The 0.514 J VS1 HEARTS AND ARROWS ROUND (affiliate link) that you have chosen is pretty good. Everything checks out well and I have only one minor complain about the shaft of the arrow at the 7 o'clock position. Take a look:

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The arrow shaft seems to have more "body" towards the right hand side. I am just being picky about it anyway. I have seem something like this before and I would say it is not something uncommon. The fact is that this diamond is really cut to a really high optical precision already as displayed by the superior hearts and arrows patterning. I am just simply highlighting what I managed to see.

As for sacrificing colour for a bigger stone, I can't really answer for you. It is more like personal preference. As for me, I don't mind the colour that much because I admire the cut much more. You can certainly buy this if you are going to propose to me but too bad you aren't, so try to focus on what your other half may like. nod.gif

Now, the calculated ideal weight for this diamond is 5.12 x 5.14 x 3.17 x 0.0061 = 0.509ct (rounded to 3 decimal places). There is a difference of 0.005ct, but this is well-acceptable. My personal limit is 0.009ct difference for anything below 1 carat (for now).

The proportions of this diamond is simply perfect. 34.6 degree crown angle paired with the higher crown and smaller table means that there is plenty of room for the fire to burst out. The 40.8 degree pavilion angle will certainly return an excellent amount of light. The 54 star length will bring great contrast while the 76 lower girdle will bring bold sparks! This diamond is certainly a performer, as expected from Brian Gavin Diamonds.

Now if you are thinking which one to buy, one small tip I learned is that if you are buying a warmer colour diamond like this one, then you can consider setting it in yellow gold or rose gold ring setting to complement the colour. Also, one thing to note is that the "yellow" tint of the J colour diamond will be mostly on the body. When it is facing-up, it should look pretty white because of the strong light return. So overall, I would seriously consider this if yellow/rose gold ring setting is the ring I would want to use for my engagement ring.
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Hi guys and sifus,

Blessed you all kind souls for the unselfish sharing of information. I have benefited much from having none.

I'm thinking to pick between these 3 stones, could you give some comment about them :

1. 0.3C 3EX D VS2
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=1197861410

2. 0.32C 3EX F SI1
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2266751238

3. 0.31C 3EX E SI2
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6275551290


So far I have scroll through Enchanted Diamonds Cut Score and HCA Rating for all 3, but I have trouble understanding the details. What compromise am I making, between choosing these 3 stones ?

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QUOTE(oxizhe @ Jan 31 2018, 01:31 AM)
Hi guys and sifus,

Blessed you all kind souls for the unselfish sharing of information. I have benefited much from having none.

I'm thinking to pick between these 3 stones, could you give some comment about them :

1. 0.3C 3EX D VS2
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=1197861410

2. 0.32C 3EX F SI1
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2266751238

3. 0.31C 3EX E SI2
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6275551290
So far I have scroll through Enchanted Diamonds Cut Score and HCA Rating for all 3, but I have trouble understanding the details. What compromise am I making, between choosing these 3 stones ?

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1. 0.3C 3EX D VS2
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=1197861410
This is the diamond I will get among all 3. First of all, it is a VS2 and the probability of eye-clean is the highest. The proportions are also the best among all although not the best compared to really good ones. The crown angle of 35.5 paired with the 40.6 pavilion angle makes sense to me because 40.6 is towards the shallow side for pavilion while 35.5 is towards the steep side of the crown. Their relationship is usually inverse of each other... meaning one steep and one shallow. Super ideals though, are like right in the middle of things, which is the sweet spot. Ideal crown angle is preferably between 34.3 to 35 while ideal pavilion angle is preferably between 40.6 to 40.9. These angles are sweet spots and hard to come by.

2. 0.32C 3EX F SI1
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2266751238
Now this diamond is SI1, it can be eye-clean but have to go case by case basis. This diamond has a 62.4% depth, which is abit deep. Preferably we can keep things max at 62%. The 35.5 crown angle is paired with a 41 pavilion angle. Both are steep angles and also fall out of the ideal range I provided above, so I will prefer the D VS2 above.

3. 0.31C 3EX E SI2
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6275551290
36 degree crown angle is enough to make me skip this stone. Besides, it is SI2 so you have to carefully evaluate the diamond first before buying it to male sure it is eye-clean. If you are buying without looking at the stone, I will certainly skip this stone.

Diamond that are too deep or with angles that are too steep will most likely cause light leakage. Read this article for an example:
http://www.myengagementringexperience.com/...ellers.html?m=1

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The 0.514 J VS1 HEARTS AND ARROWS ROUND (affiliate link) no longer available when i want to enquire sad.gif

i picked another one https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds...gs-104094754035 with a diff of 3usd,

i have a concern on the ASET image, there is a bright right in the center. is that ok?
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QUOTE(ratscorp @ Feb 5 2018, 02:27 PM)
The 0.514 J VS1 HEARTS AND ARROWS ROUND (affiliate link) no longer available when i want to enquire sad.gif

i picked another one https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds...gs-104094754035 with a diff of 3usd,

i have a concern on the ASET image, there is a bright right in the center. is that ok?
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Don't worry about that, it is nothing. The diamond's proportions are simply excellent. It's calculated ideal weight is actually 0.537ct, so it is good!

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