Try cutting out one of your old t-shirts la -- and put that in the coconut shell. It'll help with the bonding process too as they'll be able to smell you. Also, put the shirt in their pouch as well.

Yup, once a week -- thorough cleaning is enough already. But clean out the food bowl and water bottle/water dish everyday and the newspaper bedding la. And you can give the cage bars a good wipedown with the babywipes if you see it's dirty. That takes less than 5 minutes.

...you mean somedays -- they are placed outside of the house?

And what? You threw hot water on the cat?

Hehe my BabyBoy takes one full tablespoon a day. It's great stuff!

Okay -- you know what -- I'll get hold of the pouch for you la. Then we'll meet up at Midvalley or something. Will go hunt for it sometime this week then -- drawstring yeah? You want one or two? Let me know through PM la then so we won't spam this thread with our discussion I won't get the ugly ones -- no worries hehe it'll be comfortable for your suggies. You've got two suggies right? I suggest that you put some sort of blanket for them in the pouch for extra comfort -- I cut out a pair of my old padini shorts for that now it's his favourite blankie.

You can put maybe 5-6 worms on a plate -- dehead the worms first so they won't escape and while your glider's eating it -- try to cut their nails. Or later when you have the pouch, while your glider is sleeping in it -- you can open and fold the pouch down and cut the nails while he/she is sleeping -- it usually works. Sometimes you get one nail every two minutes depending on how grumpy or how deep asleep the glider is. Yesterday I managed to cut BabyBoy's nails in 2 minutes flat. I was just lucky haha!

Once you get the pouches, while they're sleeping in the afternoon -- maybe you can take some time off to try to cut their nails. Hopefully, it'll work then. No worries! I'm sure you'll be able to do it someday.

And to all new suggie owners be careful when attempting to cut your glider's nails! Cut at the very tip of it, don't cut into the quick or it'll bleed and it'll be extremely painful for your glider.

Also, for those interested in getting a suggie, it's best to purchase from a breeder. You can check the LYN Pets Trading thread.

This post has been edited by misa: Oct 18 2006, 07:35 PM

Zara's Exotic pet store has the glider pouches available for sale at RM36. It's located at Summit. Might go and purchase one. Hehe. Saw a few nice denim pouches today at Sunway Pyramid -- for RM7-12 -- but it just has a sort of velcro flap. And at another stall, there are really cool drawstring pouches, it'll fit one glider comfortably but it's a bit pricey -- RM10. But it's beautiful! I should have bought one la at least. ...haih -- these days go out to the mall only, I find myself looking at pouches.

This post has been edited by misa: Oct 18 2006, 07:41 PM

RM500 below for a pair depending on where and whom you get it from. With regards to whether you should get a hedgehog or a glider, that's really dependant on your choice and your lifestyle. Google more information about both hedgehogs and the sugar gliders. They're very different animals. One requires less attention -- the other quite the opposite. Look through this thread -- there are links to where you can obtain further information about sugar gliders. Do your research and then think about what you want and what you can afford to keep and care for.

All the best!

This post has been edited by misa: Oct 19 2006, 06:18 AM

Tell us what Pie did.

You could try creating a hammock using an old shirt. By the way, 1 male, 3 females, hmm he'll start impregnating them all soon enough. And you'll be needing an even bigger cage once they have joeys.

Hehe it's so cool that you're worried about them not being able to sleep together gether. Good luck on your search for a pot for 'em! Add some nice blankets for them la so they'll be able to be super comfortable in it.

This post has been edited by misa: Oct 19 2006, 07:37 PM

Hehe the bonding process takes time. They'll grow closer to you as each day passes on la. Have they started hanging about on your shoulder and stuff? A good way to speed up the bonding process is to use a tent. Get one of those pop up tents or something and spend some time with the glider in it. Let it crawl on you and you can even hang some rope or toys for it to play with in the tent. The good thing about using a tent is that you don't have to worry about them escaping and you can sort of just relax a bit la hehe

That's exactly what happened with BabyBoy two nights ago. After having some jambu air, he went totally nuts. He climbed all over me and even went on top of my head -- then he started gliding off to the curtain and back to me -- again and again -- and when I wanted to put him back in his pouch, he didn't want to go. After a while he sat still on my shoulder and I did the same thing la -- manja him a bit then he finally crawled into his pouch to sleep.

But whoa, for that to happen at Ikano -- outdoors summore -- hehe dangerous dangerous.

Shivering: Scared, Cold, Or Normal?
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by Lisa (SunCoast Gliders)

Dear Lisa,

I'm hooked! My granddaughter's abandoned sugar is the sweetest thing I have ever met. I have the Zoo Food for her, done the yogurt with vitamins and calcium, fresh fruits and veggies and water. And lots of the love thing for her. She crawls out of her sleeping bag right into the bonding bag to be carried for hours. I am concerned, I notice she seems to shiver when I first touch her. Is she just getting her motor started, or is there something I should worry about?

Thank you, Sugar Grandma Jo

Hi Granny Jo! Sounds like you are very much on the right track! Before I get to your main question, I would like to say I'm glad that you've taken over this responsibility. Most kids don't have enough time for gliders. I really see them more as an adult companion and you may also consider getting your new pal a buddy, as it is more in tune with their true nature.

I like the way you describe the shaking thing - that is a good and accurate description of them getting their motor started.

Here's what I can share from my experience about shaking/shivering. Arnold's play time is almost always at night. But now and then I'll have someone over who is just dying to meet Mr. Arnold, so I wake him up for a short visit. He will shiver for a brief period of time, which makes me feel like a good quick shiver is similar to our desire to stretch and yawn when we wake up. I suppose we all need a way to get the old motor going.

I also feel like baby gliders may get a bit shivery when first meeting new people, because the "shiver" time of unbonded gliders seems to last a bit longer than a bonded glider's shiver time. So it seems logical that there is some fear factor going on, as well as getting the motor started. And not all of my bonded gliders shiver when woken, only some of them.

Now another reason we may guess that a sugar glider may shiver is because they are cold. I do not get the sense that gliders shiver when cold. My experience with gliders who get cold is that they get very lethargic and rather still. We are very careful with climate control in all of our glider spaces, and if we have a cold glider, there is usually something wrong.

Very young gliders do not regulate their own body temperatures well, so if the parents leave them for too long, the joeys will get cold. You can feel that they are cold. Their normal body temperature is very close to ours. A normal glider temperature is 97.2 F. You are not likely to see that they are cold, because they do not seem to shiver for that reason. You will have to touch them to determine if they are really cold. Good info for this time of year as temperatures are dropping!

I think in general you're not allowed to bring pets to work. No one actually has a rule for it but you'd be lucky if your boss doesn't mind you bringing the gliders with you.

And I'm going to the 100Yen store tomorrow. Hopefully I'll find you the pouches or I'll find out where the other stores are located at. You should check out Sunway Pyramid. There's loads of cools stall on each floor -- they sell some pretty gorgeous drawstring pouches. RM10 per piece. It should be great for work!

This post has been edited by misa: Oct 20 2006, 05:20 PM

This means you need to work on the bonding process. Once it's more bonded to you, it won't jump off of your shoulder. It might crawl about your entire body but it won't jump off of you. Sometimes it might jump off just to glide for instance, mine loves jumping from me to the curtain and then back to me again. But most of the time, when I'm walking around the house preparing his food, he stays on me. I posted some links to some articles with regards to working on the bonding process -- check out the previous pages for the links.


Cage size for a pair of gliders -- height is important for them. 3ft and above would be good. You can go to Pets Safari to get a cage, it'll cost you RM100. These are all bird cages, really. You can also go to Natural Aquatic in Subang, the price is RM110-RM140. If you go to Jalan Pasar in KL, there's Irene's Aquarium (not the one in PJ!), she sells cages at a cheap price. Make sure the cage bars are not more than 1 inch apart or your glider might escape.

This post has been edited by misa: Oct 22 2006, 06:09 PM

Don't mention it

Aww! So adorable! Gliders are even good with cats. Well, my maine coon really has no interest in BabyBoy. My cat will allow the glider to roam all over him -- and no reaction also! But hamsters cannot la...could be the smell factor -- gliders are odourless. Hehe.

Oh...today BabyBoy peed on my shirt. Their urine stinks of burnt paper or something.

You can also contact smellyocheese.

Agreed. A glider needs a lot of care and attention. I bring mine with me to work and even to dinner functions. When he's in his cage and when I walk out of the room, he'll jump to the cage bars, expecting to be let out just as well. Even when he's in his pouch, he'll poke his head out every couple of hours just to check that I'm around lol

Their dietary needs is of course the most important thing to consider la.

Read up more about 'em before deciding to get a glider or two.

Well, I'm in the music and audio production line, working mainly in studios. Hehe. So it's not really a desk job. I'm going to the 100 Yen store today! So hopefully, I'll find something cool for you.

Yeah, do post some photos of them!