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English Clubs Liverpool Kop Talk 2014, Welcome Emre Can & Rickie Lambert
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hfi
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 May 6 2014, 03:11 PM
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Seriously enough with the defeatist attitude. Not good or consistent enough ? How about 11 games winning streak ? To say otherwise is to rob the players, BR and the staff off all the hardwork and milestones they have set this season.
They have given us joy and made us dream. So ff you had enjoyed large part of the season then you need to suck it up and take the disappointments.
This has been a special season at least for me. It's been an immensely entertaining, upsetting, frustrating and absolutely addictive season. Whatever happens - i am proud to be a Liverpool supporter and more so i am proud of the players, BR, the staffs and all you fine posters who has made this season fun and memorable.
Chin up and let's see us through the season. We've come a long way to be where we are today. Next season we go again!
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hfi
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May 12 2014, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ May 12 2014, 01:52 PM) That why i been addressing we need to replace gerrard because he doenst have energy to cover both fullback when there goes forward. All the blame only goes to johnson. NO ONE Have the ball to criticized gerrard for defensive fault. No doubt he remarkable well in opposite field in assisting his mate. His suitable position is further upfield thus left defensive duty to proper defensive midfielder That's because Gerrard has been stellar since he shifted as the deepest CM. He made one mistake that ultimately cost us but everyone makes mistakes. Despite his mistakes, he has contributed massively in terms of goals and assists. The same can't be said about Johnson who is younger and more athletic yet his form is inconsistent at best. Gerrard has had to adjust to numerous positions this year and the same goes with most of our players, but Johnson has only had one position to fill and even then he still struggled. I think his number is up and he knows it. |
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hfi
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May 12 2014, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 12 2014, 08:34 PM) I agree. Looking at Fernandinho, he does the job of controlling game tempo and strong enough defensively to cover the marauding Yaya Toure. You could say Gerrard is more similar to Pirlo. At Juventus both Vidal and Pogba are very strong and capable of doing lots of running and defensive work to help Pirlo out. Both players are not exactly creative players so their play relies on wingers and strikers to create most of their chances. In our case we expect both midfielders ahead of Stevie to both attack and help Gerrard out which is a big big workload and only Hendo is capable of doing both jobs effectively. But it's a whole different system. We can't take a player's position and compare it like for like, and neglect their qualities and roles for their teams. I've been critical of Gerrard at the start of the season where he had been lackluster and it took us several different formations to get the most out of him. We went from 4231 to 352 and neither of those formations worked for him. But credit to him and BR, he grew as one of the best players in hte league. Sure he has his weakness but you just can't argue his contributions this season. Pivotal goals after goals - granted most of it were pens but they were crucial match winning pens. His deliveries have been pin point accurate and is one of the reasons why Skrtel have been banging in goals this season. He's also one out of the two players who can take a freekick with deadly result. I will have no problem milking him for the next 2-3 years if he can maintain this kind of form. I think what we need this summer is another box to box midfielder. Like you said, we are similar to Juventus in that we deploy a 3 man midfielders and perhaps this has been said already but we really missed Hendo from his suspension. Allen may still have a role in the team but i worry about Lucas - he looks really out of pace and he doesn't look comfortable operating in tight pockets unlike Hendo who seems to be growing in confidence and ability. |
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hfi
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May 13 2014, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 13 2014, 04:48 AM) Yeah but don't misunderstand me. I'm not being critical of Stevie, in fact I'm loving him in this new role and he has won us more points from this position than losing. My point is if we are to continue using him in this position we need 2 box to box midfielders to help him out. Allen is a good squad player but Lucas from what we have seen this season is very lacking in his offensive game. Yes he was an attacking midfielder but he seem to have lost his attacking instincts. Maybe BR can work some magic with him this off season but we need to bring in another Hendo type player. If we are to stop playing with a defensive specialist type defensive midfielder I don't see a future for Lucas in this squad because I don't think he is capable of doing what Stevie's currently doing for us in that role. Juventus actually plays a 3-5-2 so there is also another centre back to help cover for Pirlo. Both their wingbacks are predominantly defensive players with lots of stamina to provide width running up and down the flanks. Flanno has a not very good statistic of being dribbled past many times this season but I think that is down to experience and not being a left footer which also affects his offensive game since he is almost always obliged to pass the ball back into midfield instead of swinging in a cross with his less capable left foot. Glen Johnson on the other hand has been horrendous for at least 2 seasons now. He used to be good enough offensively to negate his defensive flaws but he hasn't been able to have much impact down the flanks as we were used to seeing in his prime. Strengthening our full back positions should be a priority this off season. 27m for Luke Shaw might look hugely inflated but I would say he is already 2nd best if not the best LB in England at age 18. Highly unlikely but would be a dream if we managed to hijack Utd's move. Will definitely be more happy with Shaw than Lallana.  Agree mate. My point was only to point out that if we put a defensive player in the Stevie role it would completely change the dynamic of the team as a traditional DM doesn't provide enough 'brain' in a 3 man midfield. One only has to look at Spurs with incredible amount of engines but lacking that a little of bit of guile and creativity to dominate the midfield. Which puts me back to Lucas whos time may be up because he lacks both engine and guile to succeed in our midfield. He's still a good DM but i think we have evolved from DM and while i feel he may still be able to play box to box, it may be simpler if we just go ahead and get a a box to box player. Personally, i feel we've been let down the most by our fullbacks the most this season.Flanno we know can't cross to save his life and playing on his weaker side puts him in an awkward position, but overall i think he had a decent season for a 'new blood'. But Johnson hasn't been good enough for some time now. We used to overlook his defensive frailty because he overcompensated that with his attacking ability. But these days, he can neither attack nor defend. I think we've come to a point where we need to choose either Johnson or Flanno as our main rightback, i would personally cull the former as he seems like the fat we need trimming. |
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hfi
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May 13 2014, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE(hifzil @ May 13 2014, 02:18 PM) Well deserved! So proud of him and the redmen. |
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hfi
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May 13 2014, 07:17 PM
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Is Di Maria left footed ? I can see how we are linked with Lallana because he's two footed and we've had problems with the left side our midfield. We shifted Sterling, Coutinho, Allen and even Hendo there. So it's clearly a priority.
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hfi
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May 15 2014, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 15 2014, 09:54 AM) Yeah. For me 15 is fair 20 is acceptable. But can't really think of any alternatives at the moment though. If we can't get him then might as well give Suso a chance and reinvest the money in replacing Glen Johnson. He's their Gerrard so anything up to 30mil is about right tho i reckon we'll get him much lower. It depends on whether he will push for the move and i think he might just do that. Unlike the Gerrard situation, he knows the Saints can never get CL football nor compete for the title, and he knows sooner or later the team will be gutted (from the manager to coaches to players) and be left to rebuild ad infinitum. Now having said this, one of the things i noticed last season is that much of the potency of the Saint's attack came from the link up play between Lallana, Rodriguez and Shaw. Lallana and Shaw in particular worked really hard for each other and their link up was almost telepathic. It even carried into the England team where the introduction of both Shaw and Lallana competely changed the game for the better. So i think it's paramount that we get a solid leftback next season to complement Lallana or i fear we might not get the most out of him (that is if we do end up getting the player). |
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May 15 2014, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 15 2014, 10:26 AM) Alberto Moreno is apparently our target for 15m pounds but Sevilla is said to be holding out for in excess of 25-30m with Real Madrid possibly joining in the bidding war. I'm not too keen on Spanish defenders to be honest in terms of their defensive and physical capabilities. I honestly have not watched him play but if he can defend as good as Arbeloa then i reckon he might be a good bet. All i want from our fullbacks next season is for them to just be able to defend when required. Attacking contribution will be icing on the cake. QUOTE(reehdus @ May 15 2014, 10:26 AM) Hmm...30mil for Lallana? Man he's gonna have a huge weight on his shoulders if he comes at that price. I'd rather we spend a total like 50m on a few players, wishful thinking but players like Shaqiri, Griezmann, De Maria seem more worth it While i really rate all those players, we need to look at the areas in the team where we need strengthening. For me the main areas that requires immediate attention are the fullbacks and the left side of the mdifield. The fullback situation speaks for themselves but the left side of the midfield is why we might splash huge amount for Lallana. We tried few players at the left side last season and none of them have made that position his own - not like how Gerrard and Hendo have made the other positions their own. Lallana is two footed and seems intelligent which means he is versatile - tactically you should able to play him across the midfield or at the tip of the diamond. |
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hfi
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May 15 2014, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 15 2014, 10:56 AM) I would say Moreno is more of a attacking wingback. Very quick but not very strong, typical Spanish, which is why I'm not too convinced. Arbeloa's strength is also his ability to play on both flanks. Moreno is only comfortable with his left foot from what I've seen. If we need a winger we might as well give Ibe a chance. He seems to be the next most ready to step up from our reserves/academy. Brendan Rodgers believes teenager Jordon Ibe has the potential to become an “outstanding” young player for Liverpool FC.
He said: “He's such a talent. He's 18 years of age, still only a second year scholar.
“It was interesting, I asked him to do something different here. I played him on the side in the first half, but we switched to a diamond in the second half. I wanted to see him.
“It was similar to what I have done with Raheem (Sterling). I wanted to improve his football intelligence, play him in a different position. He played at the top of the diamond and he was excellent.http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/footb...tential-7122254Sounds like a glass cannon but i suppose those kind of players have their strengths and weaknesses. Just watched the goals against Shamrock and Ibe really impressed. Pacey, good control and vision. Sterling-esque. Definitely has a future with us and i reckon we might see more of him next season. QUOTE(reehdus @ May 15 2014, 10:57 AM) I get what you mean, granted a lot of those guys are attacking minded and Lallana did make it into soccernet's EPL team of the season (I think), but 30m pounds is really a lot for one good season. Scared it'll be another Carroll case. I do think we need better fullbacks too and one area I think we really do need strengthening is the DM department. Gerrard is good in his quarterback role, but occasionally he does lack a little discipline. I would like to have a bulldog back in that position, close down the ball and pass it to Gerrard to spray it. I get your meaning. There's always the fear of the Caroll repeat but i think that was an isolated transfer in the sense that we panicked and bought him at the last minute. I think it is different now because we seem to have done our homework on Lallana and have started negotiation early. This won't be a panic buy, tho it might drag on and on like some of our transfers. If we get him it is because BR has decided that he is one of the players that will improve our brand of football and having watched a bit Saints last season i can see the merit in it. |
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hfi
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May 15 2014, 11:38 AM
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That's what world cup does to you. Saints had nothing to play for so unless you are competing for honors, there's no point pushing yourself and risk getting injured.
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hfi
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May 30 2014, 07:36 PM
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I'm ok with this signing. Yeah he's british so there's always that lurking fear of us buying yet another British dud but i think this similar to how we signed Fowler under Rafa. Except that Lambert is in much better shape than Fowler ever was. In a way i feel strangely good about this signing. Call it football romantic or delusional if you must, but there's a good feeling of seeing a Liverpool fan finally living the dream of playing for his childhood team. I hope all goes well and he delivers. It's not a bad start for our transfer this summer imo.
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hfi
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Jun 3 2014, 12:43 PM
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England all the way this world cup. Hard not to when a good number of their contingent is made up of Liverpool players. Read that Hogdson will most likely try to emulate BR's Liverpool.
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hfi
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Jun 4 2014, 12:35 AM
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I know youtube tends to exaggerate but he looks extremely talented in this clip. Playing almost like an auxiliary winger with some audacious abilities. I watched Shaw a bit like last season and Moreno plays somewhat similar in terms of directness and pace. I've watched some clips of Rodiguez and he too impressed me, but i think we are leaning towards Moreno because mainly i think we might use our Spanish players i.e. Reina, Suso, Aspas, Enrique and Aspas, to sweeten the deal. Aside from Suso, i think we are more than keen to offload some of those player and perhaps with Moreno, we'd be able to kill two birds with one stone. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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hfi
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Jun 24 2014, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(melt @ Jun 24 2014, 01:37 PM) Well tactical or not he is well know for not contributing in the final half of the field. We all know that. What England lack were creativity which he cant provide so I think he is shit for England (not for us) That's not how i remembered Hendo last season. His link up play in the final third was one of the things that really improved last season. He always had the stamina but what he lacked was the confidence in his ability and that changed last season. But unlike Liverpool, England played in a static 2 man midfield - we did this in the earlier part of the season and we labored through it i.e. Gerrard/Lucas, Hendo/Lucas combo. It was not until we reshuffled to a 3 man midfield that we began to truly impose ourselves in matches. |
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Jun 24 2014, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Jun 24 2014, 02:11 PM) the line up that i would to see as below -----------------Hart-------------------- Flanno---Chahil-------Rio-------Shaw -----------------Hendo------------------ ---------Barkley----------Whilshere--- Sterling----------------------Lallana--- ------------------Struridge------------ Rio as cap Hendo playing as the deepest midfielder would ultimately waste his greatest asset - his supreme engine. I prefer Skeleton's lineup but Hogdson is a cautious manager in nature. He can deploy as many Liverpool players as he wants but he will never have them play like Liverpool because his team is always static and he prioritize shape over risks. |
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hfi
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Jun 24 2014, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(melt @ Jun 24 2014, 02:23 PM) Maybe I m not clear with my words. He is shit with England but he did pretty good for us. Improved yes definitely but he is still far from being someone with creativity or someone we hope that can create something out of nothing during attacking. Ahh that makes sense and i agree. Hendo was never the focal point of our attacks - he was always utilized to augment our attacks. Of course this may not not be applicable to England as they dont' even play in the same manner as we do and what's more Suarez played a huge role in how we facerolled teams and England currently just do not possess anyone close to his caliber. |
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hfi
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Jun 25 2014, 02:52 AM
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He didn't wear our kit so as far as i'm concern it's Uruguay's problem. Maybe being away from Liverpool is why he's gone bonkers. But let's not overreact and vilify him when he's not even currently representing our club. The media will use this to isolate him and turn us against him.
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hfi
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Jun 25 2014, 12:02 PM
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There are two ways the club might play this. One is to cut him loose and cash in - tho other clubs will most likely use this biting incident and the possibility of global ban to reduce his fee.
Or the club takes advantage of the situation and play a father figure to Suarez. He will no doubt be hurting right now and LFC can be that solitude where he retreats and recover. We will mend him and hope that he will improve as a player and as a person.
Our task this season was to keep him and to fend off any attempts to pry him away from our grasp. This biting incident, no matter how shameful and infuriating it may be, has made that task even simpler. Suarez is damaged good but we're not after his character or his ability to show moral kindness. This was clear to us all when we first bought him. We are paying him for his ability to produce magic on the football pitch and lately that is exactly what he has produced for us. I will be hugely surprised if the club chooses to sell due to this incident.
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hfi
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Jun 25 2014, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 25 2014, 12:18 PM) If the club continues to pamper him, history has shown that he will not repent. The club has stood by him and defended him all this while and he's taken it for granted that the club will do so unconditionally. He needs to be given an ultimatum this time round. Sorry but I don't see how we accept his sort of behaviour just so long as he scores goals. As an ambassador of LFC, players should show the club some degree of respect. Charles Intandje got shipped out after he was caught laughing during the Hillsborough Memorial. So it were Suarez, we should have excused his behaviour? Some LFC legends have been critical of his behaviour and this time, I'm on their side. He is embarrasing the club and disrespecting it. You are right we should ship out any players disrespecting the club like Intandge did and if Suarez did he too should be shipped out pronto. But Suarez wasn't representing the club yesterday. His behavior has been good through out last season. No bites, no scandals. Just goals after goals. Assists after assists. Magic after magic. Now if he had done what he did yesterday while representing us then my view on him would be completely different but he wasn't and therefore i cannot vilify him to that extreme. |
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Jun 25 2014, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 25 2014, 02:37 PM) He was playing for Uruguay but it isn't exactly a secret he plays for Liverpool. A player's reputation follows them regardless of who they are playing for at the time. Referees in the Premier League will no doubt have taken notice of this and so will Liverpool fans all over. The club needs to thread carefully here. We do not want to set a precedence of tolerating petulant behaviour Not saying the club should punish him as it isn't in their jurisdiction to do so since he was playing for his country, and not the club but they should have a strong word with him. Agreed mate. I'm not advocating we should take this matter lightly and i hope the club and BR have a strong word with him. Ofcourse whatever he does somewhat affect us but i care more about what he does for us than what he does overseas. We cannot control things that are not in our hands. He's not perfect we all know this. He's got his demons to battle with and yesterday that ugly side of him overwhelmed him. But i know he's not a thug like Barton or Pepe. He has problems dealing with his emotions and passion, and i can empathize with that. I feel sorry for him because he's damaged and it will most likely haunt him for the rest of his life. But at the same time i can also understand people are getting fed up with his antics and are ready to see the back of him. But whatever happens, i stand with the club. If the club feels he's beyond help then i will stand with that decision. And vice versa. |
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