I'm hoping that its going to be sold around or lesser than RM600. as in MSRP. I don't know if they can even make it lower.

Its supposed to be considered as low end though. At least from BlackBerry's point of view.

If apps is the only thing you're thinking of...

You're not supposed to get this phone.


If you're thinking of communications first...

Then this phone is good enough for you.

Because this is TRUE BLACKBERRY with no compromises in communication features. (no such thing as high end software and low end software)


technically BlackBerry can run both BlackBerry 10 apps and Android apps. BOTH, at the same time. What it does not run though, are Google Services Framework.

Okay bro, erm..


I'm a Z10 STL-100-1 user myself.

Specs wise, the Z10 > Z3, except.. "size".

a) screen size (LOL)
b) battery size (LOL)

but otherwise, the Z10 is actually a good bet. If you're getting the 3G model (STL-100-1) which is a DIFFERENT CHIP (TI OMAP + PowerVR SGX544) vs the STL-100-2/3/4 models that run on Qualcomm MSM8960 Snapdragon S4 + Adreno 225.

I'm not so sure what is the advantage of Adreno 305 vs Adreno 225, but higher numbers = better right?


But the z3 comes with 5mp, and the z10 comes with 8. Not sure how big is the REAL world difference is.

But i'll advise you that if you buy the Z10, you really, really need to buy the battery bundle . The battery dries up real fast on the Z10. But with the newer software on 10.2.1 vs 10.0, it is a BIG world of difference. very big.

What I can guarantee is that the Z10 won't be losing out on the 10.3 update (unlike the previous generation of BlackBerry legacy devices, where if you buy the generation 6, you can't have generation 7 OS, etc)


I suggest you play around with a z3 first, then play around with a z10. For me, I solved my z10 with a powercase (very bulky), but a battery charger bundle is definitely much more preferable.


If only I can get the z30 battery bundle, it will be WORTH it!

some retailers already have it.

RM599-699

Not bad?

AP probably.

But I've known (confirmed) that somebody brought in AP sets for RM750. SOLD OFF while in transit (it takes 3 days to arrive)

So stock arrived, people came and picked up their Z3s for RM750 cash and carry.

If you are in a real hurry, I will recommend you the Z10 instead. The Z3 , at the moment, imported price is around RM750.

Z10 (3G only) is about RM600. But if you can wait for 1-2 weeks, the stock will arrive in Malaysia, but even then I don't think the price is below RM600.

To sum up:

Why Z3:
Fits all what you asked for (communication, battery life, GPS is available)
Good battery life. (the z10 sucks, really sucks)
As good as the Z10, in some cases EVEN BETTER in single app performance.


Why Z10:
Better specs
may be cheaper than Z3 when Z3 is initially launched
slightly better specs for the same price range (2GB RAM, can have up to 8 active frames)



WARNING:
but GPS, the problem isn't with the hardware. The REAL problem is the maps. BlackBerry Maps is okay, Google Maps is also okay (need to download a 'special' edition, remove the dependency on Google services). I'm not sure what kind of detail you need, but if you only need Google Maps, and you're okay using the web browser version (which is kind of the same, really), should be okay. But you can still punch in coordinates, and it still tracks where you are reliably. Just that take the maps with a pinch of salt. As usual.

There are paid GPS apps, but if you already have them in your Android device, you can load them (unless they use Google Services)




If you already have the z3, have "SNAP" (an app to download from google play store), you can use this.

http://forums.crackberry.com/android-apps-...ervices-914930/

Basically you download the APK, put it into your computer/laptop, and it removes all GOOGLE APPS dependencies, and you have a fully functioning Google Maps on your BlackBerry Z3.


Hope that helps.

This post has been edited by hyperyouth_firepower: May 23 2014, 09:06 AM

Enough said.

Depends. Its not like BlackBerry doesn't want to sell it cheaper. Its the Malaysian customs and laws, and BlackBerry isn't the type to go around blatantly ignore rules and such. Especially Brightstar/Brightpoint.

That same spec you're poo-pooing, can carry up to 2 OS. 2 OS, on top of a single microkernel.

If the release of the news (in dev circles a few days ago) is true, you can even add up to "apps from 3 platforms", supported by a single kernel, in an OS.


Not bad for a 'niggaherz'.


inb4

"ive got 8 cores, but YUNOSMOOTHGAMEXPERIENCEALLSUXXORZLAGZLIKETAIKLEMBUZOMFGWTFBBQ" complaints.

Besides, for the price range, its a terrific device. And for a dual core device, it has terrific support, sans Google Services (not that some google apps can't run, its just how you work your way around it)

That depends, on how BlackBerry can push the price down. I'm sure some tactics like "assembled in Malaysia / packed in Malaysia" will be used, so that there are tariffs that can be bypassed.

Yes, if they can keep below RM650, or below RM600, its even better. Even I want it to be below RM600, but I'm not really sure if its even possible. (but more than below RM600, I want it to be an offer that people cannot refuse).


in Indonesia, the buyers of Z3 are given free applications (catered to their local demands) that's totalling in excess of USD25. That's ONE QUARTER of the price of the phone.

Not bad, really. Not bad.

Up to this point, with exception of physical GPU and RAM (by which PowerVR SGX544 MP1 is the minimum (its as powerful as the first xbox) , I have not actually seen apps that says "requires dual core model xxyyzz to run".


This in comparison with the ultra liberal settings that many people are used to in Windows PCs .

You are correct.

Google knows everything you do. It scans your emails, it knows what you like / don't like, even if you use incognito mode.

Well, wait till we get 10.3.1 (that's for Z3 and Z10)

Then you'll be surprised how much better the Z3 is compared to the Z10, despite the 0.5GB RAM difference. But camera cannot do anything much. LOL

It is actually better to but the z3 compared to the z10. If you can wait for the z3 LTE version (not yet released) even better. Even for 3G only variant the z3 outperforms the z10 despite the 0.5Gb RAM difference. This is true when you consider the tuning in the10.3 OS (new and upcoming OS upgrade to BlackBerry 10 OS. )

However, the 5mp camera leaves to be desired. That is why in the LTE version, since the processor has to be upgraded to accommodate the LTE RADIO, it will and can accept a 8mp camera module into the phone.

Why choose z10 LTE

- Removable battery
- 2GB RAM
- More apps for the screen size (somehow, but will be changed soon with 10.3, since all forms factors in screens will have adaptable variations)

Why choose z3 3G
- very good battery life
- better GPU
- more efficient CPU
- bigger screen size
- Natural sound (it's better than the z10 somehow, without speakers)

Technically they can't. I'm not so sure the limitations, but technically we can't and its because of Malaysian lawsin advertisement.

Well technically BlackBerry doesn't run Android, so you cannot use a competitor's logo on your side, or anything trademarked to competition.

Just like DiGi and Maxis cannot diss each other, so they rename competition to "telco y, telco z, telco c" or something like that.

In BlackBerry's case I don't think they can do that about Android, since there are no legalities between BlackBerry and Android (Google), and Google does have its own KL office, which means Google will be fast and furious to sue BlackBerry for infringing on trademark use or something like that.

There are a lot of people in the BBUGMY chat group that's using the Z3. You can even head to the shops and play with the demo units. I think you'll love it.

There is and there will be, but not sure when.