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post Jul 8 2014, 11:33 AM

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Jesse Livermore and Fundamental Analysis
The Fundamental Analyst

People sometimes make the mistake of believing that Jesse Livermore was a purely technical trader.

It's true that Jesse would try to exploit the market using his technically based tape-reading skills and it's also true he wouldn't worry too much about the reasons behind the numbers on the tape.

At other times though - as he explained in Reminiscences of a Stock Operator - he would act on his understanding of the fundamental economics of a situation.

The United State World Trade Corporation operated around the world. It owned shipping lines, coffee plantations in Guatemala, hydroelectric plants in Bolivia, banks in Peru and conducted a huge export business.

In a bear market, the public remembered that USWT's business was spread all over the world and so could divide its risks. The company continued to pay its quarterly dividend.

The bear market developed with severe declines. USWT stock descended in a leisurely manner. One day when the rest of the market showed an improvement, USWT stock suddenly fell five points on the highest volume in months.

USWT's president and directors assured the public and the press that nothing was wrong and denied rumors that the dividend would be cut.

Instead of rallying, however, the stock fell further the next day and continued falling.

Then, to a chorus of outrage, the directors announced that there would be no quarterly dividend.

Why did USWT suddenly fall?

Jesse Livermore had been analyzing the export trade and conditions in South America and the Far East and had concluded that the economic conditions were not favorable and were going to worsen.

He looked for the stock that would corroborate and justify his opinion of basic conditions. There was USWT, whose price was falling, but had not been as badly sold down as many other stocks.

He got USWT's annual reports for three years and then, when he understood the company's finances as well as the underlying conditions in every one of the company's lines of business, he sold short ten thousand shares of the stock.

He began at 110. The next morning, he read the president's statement:

"I'll tell you that there has been no talk whatever about it, and no desire or intention of either reducing or passing the next dividend. I hope we may never have to do that."

This had the effect of making Livermore sell short another ten thousand shares, and the price broke so badly that he was encouraged to put out an additional short line of ten thousand shares on the third day.

Now the share price had fallen to the 80s. There was no inside support to speak of, and the room-traders on the floor saw it and sold so recklessly that the stock had a good rally on their covering.

Then came the last grand drive, at the opening, on the day after the directors' meeting. Livermore took advantage of the big collapse to cover his shorts at a little above 60. He commented:

"I made a killing on that stock. I didn't need any inside tip."

"And the beauty of it is that Wall Street accused the directors of speculating in their own shares. Do you remember the shriek the newspapers let out when the stock broke after the president came out with a statement that they were not going to pass the dividend? They did not know it was your selling. I happen to know that the decision to pass the dividend was not reached by the directors until two minutes before they took a vote on it."

"Well," said Livermore, "I reached it for them two weeks before they voted... I knew they must [pass the dividend]. I knew they must; if not this time, three months later."

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post Jul 8 2014, 11:38 AM

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Trading vs Investing


We can divide people's stock market activities neatly into two separate disciplines - trading and investing.

Starting with a few dollars, Jesse Livermore became one of the world's richest men by trading (or speculation as he called it). He bought stocks with a view to selling them for a capital profit. He had no intention of obtaining an income from dividends or holding on to stocks for the long term: this is investing.

One of the big dangers in stock trading, he said, is when a trade goes wrong and the trader decides to hold a stock until things "come right." In doing so, the trader breaks one of the cardinal rules of successful trading, which is:
Don't become an Involuntary Investor


"How often have you heard an investor say: 'I don't have to worry about fluctuations or margin calls? I never speculate. When I buy stocks, I buy them for an investment, and if they go down, eventually they will come back.'"

However, Livermore says, "It would be simple to run down the list of hundreds of stocks which, in my time, have been considered gilt-edge investments, and which today are worth little or nothing. Thus, great investments tumble, and with them the fortunes of so-called investors..."

Livermore liked to remind people that there is nothing new in Wall Street. Whatever happens in the stock market today has happened before and will happen again. A large number of modern-day investors will certainly nod their heads ruefully when reading his thoughts from the 1920s on great investments tumbling.

In Livermore's opinion, investing using a buy and hold strategy was a bigger gamble than trading.

Buy and hold investors, he said, "make a bet, stay with it, and if it goes wrong, they lose it all."

A trader, on the other hand, might buy the same stock at the same time as the investor. "But if he is an intelligent speculator, he will recognize - if he keeps records - the danger signal warning him all is not well. He will, by acting promptly, hold his losses to a minimum and await a more favourable opportunity to re-enter the market."

Of course, a stubborn-minded buy and hold investor might sleep more easily in bed at night than a more active trader. Even though his stocks are performing poorly, he has an (often misplaced) unshakeable certainly that they will one day make him a good profit.

Traders, however, are under no such illusions and take a more active interest in their holdings. They are therefore at greater risk of being attacked by what Livermore described as the trader's natural foes - no, not faith, hope and charity - but greed, hope and fear.

Livermore's views on hope and fear lie at the heart of successful trading. He describes how traders fail when they allow hope of recovery to prevent them cutting their losses. They fail when fear of losing a small profit causes them to sell prematurely, when more profit would have been available if only they had the nerve to stick with the trend.

"The speculator's chief enemies are always boring from within. It is inseparable from human nature to hope and to fear. In speculation, when the market goes against you, you hope that every day will be the last day-and you lose more than you should had you not listened to hope...

"And when the market goes your way you become fearful that the next day will take away your profit, and you get out-too soon. Fear keeps you from making as much money as you ought to. The successful trader has to fight these two deep-seated instincts. He has to reverse what you might call his natural impulses.

"Instead of hoping he must fear; instead of fearing he must hope. He must fear that his loss may develop into a much bigger loss, and hope that his profit may become a big profit."

Is Trading for You?

If you can trade intelligently and control your emotions during trades, you have a good chance of success. If you can't, you'll almost certainly fail and you would be advised to avoid trading altogether.

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post Jul 8 2014, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Jul 8 2014, 01:44 PM)
Furniture business tak laku in Malaysia?

How come those furniture like dont move ....
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So early wake up already...?

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post Jul 8 2014, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Jul 8 2014, 04:12 PM)
market trend had changed....

smile.gif earn pocket money must need to learn hold.....
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Thread posting trend also changed!

3 postings and counting..... in ONE day!!!!!

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So got 3 tipsy for me or not?

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post Jul 8 2014, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Jul 8 2014, 04:52 PM)
hahahaha

one people taught me.... he earn millions from the market.....

need to pull handbrake biggrin.gif

when the right time ... bang more lo
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wahahaha!!!!!

now into market timing meh?

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I trade less one ...
so when I do trade, I sure bang bang more one....

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post Jul 8 2014, 05:14 PM

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Got so much timing hor......

1. Price timing
2. Time timing
3. Chart timing
4. Trend timing
5. Shark timing
6. Car timing

Which timing master are you?

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post Jul 8 2014, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(CP88 @ Jul 8 2014, 05:56 PM)
Car Timing belt.  rolleyes.gif
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Huh???

Car timing belt?

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Car timing = you wait and time when walk car....

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post Jul 8 2014, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Jul 8 2014, 11:40 PM)
so ah boon, since you are so free let's talk wind abit.

what do you think property sector will do in this second half of 2014?

property launch are in everywhere, trying to promote to investors

many do think it will slow down but bubble is unlikely to happen, while others say home is a necessity so it will still continue to grow, so based on Malaysia's malaysians median salary and demand, what will be the outlook for the property market?

p/s: working day and night to earn extra income so may read or reply your post late tongue.gif
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So late..me cannot tahan jor.

Need to sleep. tongue.gif

My beauty time with Uncle Chow. tongue.gif

I see Elsoft..
so geng.
Good for you la.

Property?

Dunno la..me no such expert.
All I do know is prices damn expensive yet.
Will buyers accept and pay these high prices?

I dunno........ tongue.gif

Later dude......

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post Jul 9 2014, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Jul 9 2014, 03:38 PM)
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post Jul 9 2014, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Jul 9 2014, 03:55 PM)
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Yinson never disappoint us.
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post Jul 10 2014, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Jul 10 2014, 11:40 AM)
E&O, naik naik naik
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Ah Leng Chai JC!!!!

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Long time no see!

Where tipsy?

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post Jul 11 2014, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Jul 11 2014, 12:48 PM)

Any tipsy or not?  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
Ah leng chai JC.

Sure got tipsy for you....

just for you..... ok?

buy......
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post Jul 11 2014, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 8 2014, 10:52 AM)
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...off-market.html

PUCF and Magna Prima shares traded off-market
Business & Markets 2014
Written by Levina Lim of theedgemalaysia.com 
Tuesday, 08 July 2014 09:49

KUALA LUMPUR: PUC Founder (MSC) Bhd (PUCF) saw four blocks of shares totalling 51 million shares, or a 6% equity stake, traded off-market yesterday.

According to Bloomberg data, the big chunk of shares was transacted at 11.5 sen per share, at a sharp discount of nearly 83% to yesterday’s closing price of 21 sen.

It is not known who the vendor and buyer of the shares were as there was no filing on changes in shareholders at press time.

The shares were traded in four blocks of direct off-market transactions worth RM5.87 million. Resource Holding Management Ltd, an advertising and media brokerage firm listed on the Alternative Investment Market (a sub-market of the London Stock Exchange), is the single largest shareholder with a 62.5% stake in PUCF, which is a developer of fingerprinting security system and IT solutions.

PUCF’s share price has rebounded from a low of 14 sen in late May to a nearly six-month high of 21 sen yesterday.

In the first quarter ended March 31, 2014, its net profit increased almost eightfold to RM3.63 million from RM474,000 in the previous corresponding quarter. Revenue was three times higher at RM16.58 million from RM5.41 million. Earnings per share, however, came in lower at 0.43 sen versus 0.5 sen earlier.

The sharp jump in revenue was mainly due to the consolidation of the financial results of the enlarged PUCF group after the completion of its acquisition of Red Media Asia Ltd in January.

Over at Magna Prima Bhd, some 15.07 million shares, or 4.5% equity interest, were traded in a direct off-market deal, at RM1.06 per share, worth RM16 million. The off-market transaction price was 10.4% lower than yesterday’s closing of RM1.17. The property stock jumped 24.5% from 94 sen on June 23.

There was no filing of the share transaction with Bursa Malaysia yesterday.

The property firm is in the midst of seeking a buyer for its prime tract near Jalan Ampang, Kuala Lumpur, where the Lai Meng primary school was located.

The Edge weekly reported that Magna Prima hoped to get as much as RM3,500 per sq ft for the 2.62-acre (1.06ha) land it purchased five years ago. The land sale could probably fetch at least RM360 million for the company.
This article first appeared in The Edge Financial Daily, on July 8, 2014.
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post Jul 11 2014, 07:43 PM

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http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...industries.html

UMA Bursa queries BHS Industries
Business & Markets 2014
Written by Jonathan Gan of theedgemalaysia.com
Friday, 11 July 2014 11:34

KUALA LUMPUR (July 11): BHS Industries Bhd was issued an Unusual Market Activity (UMA) query this morning after rising 4% in early morning trades.

The company's share price rose 4% or 10 sen to RM2.63 per share on some 1.5 million trades.

Bursa had asked the company to report any corporate developments relating to its group business or rumours that might have accounted for the trading activity.

BHS is a printer of magazines, school textbooks, general publications, directories, corporate annual reports, as well as brochures and pamphlets.

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post Jul 11 2014, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Jul 11 2014, 09:38 PM)
i think he bought some today hmm.gif in his 555 book?

or use 1 mil to buy? icon_idea.gif
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post Jul 12 2014, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(twhong_91 @ Jul 11 2014, 09:02 PM)
what are you trying to say boon? monday all in PUC? haha
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Why is it a buy?



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