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6so
post Apr 28 2014, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Rice_Owl84 @ Apr 28 2014, 10:18 AM)
Can you be so kind and brief the options?

-Like for Schooling are there short courses that are effective to take?  I Don't really want to take 3-4 year on another degree.  Like are there 1 year post graduate courses in Malaysia to learn the field and help with career changing?  Or are there professional certificates that can be achieved at certain institutes? 

-Youtube Videos.  I can see it as good for practicing and portfolio building.  But how bout making money this way?  What options are there? 

Like if there are other ways to make money being freelancing videographer other than wedding/event videos please do tell.
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The local film course pretty much not something to look forward to as there are skew more to tv production kind of format,while the overseas one is a little more robust but 60 per cent will be garbage as film making culture varies from one country to another.It just make it a bit easier to get into production house to do internship or a rough idea which department you want to be.Producing,scripting,production design and please don't fool yourself that you gonna film direct ovenight.If camera department,just the old school pupil and mentor kind of thing.You can start at rental house as storekeeper cum technician where you learn about all these uber expensive toys (not necessary that you need degree for it) and find an opportunity to earn a place with the camera team.Don't bother to think you gonna have a shot at dp or cinematographer for the first 8 years as literally your reputation is on the line and can not be that one trick pony type of work.You need to be very versatile with film directors and be a great problem solver.Be prepare to earn next to minimum wages for awhile before you get to see comfortable money.Last but not least,make red bull your official drink as you will be expected to do walking dead when comes to the actual filming.There gonna be a lot of 24 hours marathon shoot because we do not have hollywood budget and union to govern working condition.

Drop rates from greenhorn who couldn't survive first day of shoot is extremely high just fyi.Especially those mama boy who thought their film degree matters or they are unable to cope with the madness on a movie set.

Wedding or event videographer definitely a lot more easier altough not as glamorous and demanding as the real deal.

This post has been edited by 6so: Apr 28 2014, 02:08 PM
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post Apr 28 2014, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(6so @ Apr 28 2014, 03:50 AM)
Sorry the 400k was a made up figure.The average local movie cost 1 to 1.5mil to make.
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Is this the minimum ?
Is this the actual production cost or included any "under table" or kopi money to any department ?
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post Apr 28 2014, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Apr 28 2014, 08:40 AM)
- Sound is better
- But you can always record it externally
- exactly what I meant. Google it up.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Panasonic+GH+hacked+#seen

If you still don't get it after googling, than just make the leap and google it once you understand more.
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Thank you again.
I enquired with 2 shops on GH; one said GH series is older and longer and offered me GF6 and GX7 while another still selling GH3 but no GH4.

The first shop said GF6 is better and also cheaper than GH3; GX7 cost more so should be even better. What's your opinion ?
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post Apr 28 2014, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Apr 28 2014, 02:29 PM)
Thank you again.
I enquired with 2 shops on GH; one said GH series is older and longer and offered me GF6 and GX7 while another still selling GH3 but no GH4.

The first shop said GF6 is better and also cheaper than GH3; GX7 cost more so should be even better. What's your opinion ?
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GH 3 or GH 4 when it's available next month.
For reasons that you probably won't really understand or grasp the importance if I tell you now but will appreciate once you start shooting.

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post Apr 28 2014, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Apr 28 2014, 03:41 PM)
GH 3 or GH 4 when it's available next month.
For reasons that you probably won't really understand or grasp the importance if I tell you now but will appreciate once you start shooting.
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Can you please explain briefly how is the GH4 or 3 better or different from GX7 ? I like GX7 size and price, not seen any GH yet.
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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Apr 28 2014, 11:57 PM)
Can you please explain briefly how is the GH4 or 3 better or different from GX7 ? I like GX7 size and price, not seen any GH yet.
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http://www.cameradebate.com/2013/panasonic-lumix-gx7-vs-gh3/

Here’s a full list of the video recording capabilities of the GH3:

3.5 mm mic socket (neither the GM1, GF6, and GX7 have this feature, only the G6 got a mic jack)
3.5 mm headphone socket (neither the GM1, GF6, GX7 or G6 has this feature)
3.0-inch 614K-dot Free-angle OLED rear monitor
Built-in Dolby Digital Stereo microphone
HDMI monitor-through
1080p60, 1080p24 (progressive)
Choose between ALL-Intra or IPB
Seamless File generation
Heat Dispersing Design
Time code recorded for video editing use
Slow Motion / Fast Motion in FUll HD (Slow: 0.8 / 0.48 / 0.4, Fast: 1.6, 2.0, 3.0)
Manual exposure control
Touch AF full-time AF, Face Recognition AF for video recording
MF assist
Silent operation
Photo capture while recording a video
Creative control (filters for videos)
Cut Animation (extract frames into photos from a video playback)
Divide a video into two separate parts

if you don't understand any of the above.
Basically just accept it that it's better for video.
From ease of control to sound quality to better video quality.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Apr 29 2014, 12:31 AM)
http://www.cameradebate.com/2013/panasonic-lumix-gx7-vs-gh3/

Here’s a full list of the video recording capabilities of the GH3:

3.5 mm mic socket (neither the GM1, GF6, and GX7 have this feature, only the G6 got a mic jack)
3.5 mm headphone socket (neither the GM1, GF6, GX7 or G6 has this feature)
3.0-inch 614K-dot Free-angle OLED rear monitor
Built-in Dolby Digital Stereo microphone
HDMI monitor-through
1080p60, 1080p24 (progressive)
Choose between ALL-Intra or IPB
Seamless File generation
Heat Dispersing Design
Time code recorded for video editing use
Slow Motion / Fast Motion in FUll HD (Slow: 0.8 / 0.48 / 0.4, Fast: 1.6, 2.0, 3.0)
Manual exposure control
Touch AF  full-time AF, Face Recognition AF for video recording
MF assist
Silent operation
Photo capture while recording a video
Creative control (filters for videos)
Cut Animation (extract frames into photos from a video playback)
Divide a video into two separate parts

if you don't understand any of the above.
Basically just accept it that it's better for video.
From ease of control to sound quality to better video quality.
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Thank you again. Seen that link; GH3 is better but since the new one is coming out next month, I will just wait for a little while.
Btw, the Cannon Mark3 has a feature that can do something like auto focus on 64 spots,. I don't see that mentioned in Panasonic.
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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Apr 29 2014, 01:08 PM)
Thank you again. Seen that link; GH3 is better but since the new one is coming out next month, I will just wait for a little while.
Btw, the Cannon Mark3 has a feature that can do something like auto focus on 64 spots,. I don't see that mentioned in Panasonic.
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Irrelevant feature for video.

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post Apr 30 2014, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Apr 29 2014, 01:49 PM)
Irrelevant feature for video.
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You mean this 64 spots thing don't work on video shooting ?
This is why I just don't trust Malaysian businessman or shop assistants.
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post Apr 30 2014, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(6so @ Apr 28 2014, 11:44 AM)
The local film course pretty much not something to look forward to as there are skew more to tv production kind of format,while the overseas one is a little more robust but 60 per cent will be garbage as film making culture varies from one country to another.It just make it a bit easier to get into production house to do internship or a rough idea which department you want to be.Producing,scripting,production design and please don't fool yourself that you gonna film direct ovenight.If camera department,just the old school pupil and mentor kind of thing.You can start at rental house as storekeeper cum technician where you learn about all these uber expensive toys (not necessary that you need degree for it) and find an opportunity to earn a place with the camera team.Don't bother to think you gonna have a shot at dp or cinematographer for the first 8 years as literally your reputation is on the line and can not be that one trick pony type of work.You need to be very versatile with film directors and be a great problem solver.Be prepare to earn next to minimum wages for awhile before you get to see comfortable money.Last but not least,make red bull your official drink as you will be expected to do walking dead when comes to the actual filming.There gonna be a lot of 24 hours marathon shoot because we do not have hollywood budget and union to govern working condition.

Drop rates from greenhorn who couldn't survive first day of shoot is extremely high just fyi.Especially those mama boy who thought their film degree matters or they are unable to cope with the madness on a movie set.

Wedding or event videographer definitely a lot more easier altough not as glamorous and demanding as the real deal.
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Thanks for the insight. I'm not too keen in joining a production house. But I'll see whether these production houses hire outsourced freelance videographers or not for projects that they feel understaff for. I really am more keen on doing freelance.

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post Apr 30 2014, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(Rice_Owl84 @ Apr 30 2014, 06:06 PM)
Thanks for the insight.  I'm not too keen in joining a production house.  But I'll see whether these production houses hire outsourced freelance videographers or not for projects that they feel understaff for.  I really am more keen on doing freelance.
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The only time we hire videographer is only for behind the scene kind of coverage.While the actual filming will be strictly under camera crew team.Focus puller,clapper/loader and vtr - 3 man team.
You may want to give a shot at tv programme production houses as they work on a more forgiving video camera type of environment and if you make it at least you will be given longer period of assignments as oppose to one off event coverage.
Even when we use video camera for budget reason,at minimum we are using sony pmw55 or pmw500 for reliability and post production compatibility.We are not talking about 100 gigs of data but 10 to 30 teras of data management for a feature film.
If you really interested in professional filming equipment,can look for american cinematographer magazine that has superb coverage of dp sharing their lighting techniques and their reason for using specific equipment or combination.
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Disadvantages of DSLR:

1.We have to set to manual focus on DSLR when recording movies & it always out of focus if the subject moves
2.Cannot shoot continuesly (maximum 15 minutes) it will auto stop.
3. Zoom function not smooth & zoom noise will be recorded too
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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Apr 25 2014, 02:19 PM)
Recently a camera shop assistant told me some recent local movies shown in the cinema was shoot by DSLR that cost just around RM10K,  a CANON.

Is it true ? If DSLR can shoot movies, who still buy the video cam ? Can anyone advise their pros and cons ?

I read some websites but undecided. Can any experts here give me some advise ?.

I am inclined for the DSLR too as it is more handy to travel compared with the video cam but I will not want to miss  something that the DSLR cannot do which the video cam can.

In what way can a video cam better than the DSLR ?

I am looking for something that can shoot cinema quality movies but don't break the bank.
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I been shooting short film since last year. Yup i have done a lot of research on how to shoot movie. the most important thing in a movie is audio. The cheapest recorder is Zoom H1 which cost rm350, and you also need rode shootgun which cost rm 700+ so that you can have better audio. To make a short fim, you need someone who expert in audio and can do audio editing, and also help you to record their voice. you also need clapper board so that you can record the scene for which audio. You must at least have a semi-pro dslr like canon eos 70D, that cost rm3300. you also need lighting equipment like aputure LED light, that cost rm250+ each, you need at least 2 to have a good lighting. you also need good lens. I recommend large aperture zoom lens like sigma 18-35mm which cost rm2500. you also need camera rig which cost rm12,000. You also need slider which cost about rm 2000. Lastly, you need editing software. Then, you can make a movie. Start making short movie first. Make a lot of them so that you can practice. Like Dankhoo in youtube, he practised a lot. Practice make perfect. This equipment is for youtube quality short movie. All of the equipment cost roughly rm16,000.

If you want to make TV quality video, like drama, you need better camera, which cost rm50,000 and above.
if you want to make cinema quality video, you need at least RM300K just for all of your equipment.

Yes, that camera shop assistant told you that you can use a rm10,000 dslr to shoot video but that is just a camera. You need to buy other equipment to shoot video. If you don't have good equipment, your video will look like shot with a phone. Phone also shoot HD video.

it's the equipment expensive, not camera, unlike you use camera like red.

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