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post Apr 30 2014, 02:48 PM

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Full set inna here. Definitely feels awesome for me and the party.
17% dodge
Crazy life per second
101% feedback damage for getting hit, block, or dodge (i used transgression for 10% aspd)
10% extra dmg on mobs
AWESOMESAUCE
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post May 5 2014, 02:50 AM

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QUOTE(I_Thought @ May 5 2014, 12:28 AM)
guys, can u please inspect my overall gear? I have been stuck in T3 and cannot proceed further, need some suggestion to improve my gear. Please help.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/NoelYuen-1530/hero/550252
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Weird. By the look at all your gears, you should be able to clear t4 at least.
Try this > Craft Aughlids bracer + shoulder. Get a holy dmg % and 6 cc on your bracer & shoulder with exact same stats with your mantle of upside down sinners. <
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post May 19 2014, 03:00 AM

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QUOTE(poyol @ May 18 2014, 11:02 PM)
started a new monk..

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/S8N-6407/hero/43380720

some pointers pls? lightning build...
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Why would you reroll secondary on Slanderer? It is the rarest sword besides Shard of Hate.

Just stack single resist on all your armors and you are good to go.

Change shoulder + bracer into Aughlids set.

Edit: higher dps weapon is always on main hand (left slot)

This post has been edited by qicquser: May 19 2014, 03:02 AM
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post May 20 2014, 03:28 AM

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QUOTE(poyol @ May 19 2014, 06:40 PM)
Ha?? Oh shit.. I forgot what was the secondary which I rerolled on the slanderer already.. what should I have on it?
Aughild set gives what?
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i would definitely reroll vit into %dmg/ias. 600k hp for monks is a bit overboard. between 400-500k hp with good resist & armor, you can tank T6 well.

Aughlids set:
Reduce melee dmg 7%
Reduce range dmg 7%
Increase dmg to elites 15%
Reduce dmg from elites 15%

Basically is a tank set with a small boost of dmg. Only require 2 piece to get all those stats...worth it...
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post Jun 9 2014, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jun 9 2014, 10:58 AM)
+LIGHTNING SKILL  icon_question.gif
thundergod checked, 4-piece checked (Where's ma RoRG??  rclxub.gif ) bracer checked (need a better than rare), WKL!!
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here's a tip. +Lightning skill dmg increases dmg in SoH, Odyn, Fulminator. TF don't get buffed but +lighting dmg.
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post Jun 9 2014, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jun 9 2014, 11:24 AM)
But but but... ma TF is too good not to use that unsure.gif
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Sorry I remembered wrongly. Only SoH will get buffed from +lightning. tongue.gif
SoH + WKL is a good combo for lightning based monk, imo.
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post Jun 21 2014, 03:54 AM

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QUOTE(huoshenfeng124 @ Jun 20 2014, 10:11 AM)
the problem is there's no blizzard staff play monks so nobody address the real issues the monks facing so they try nerf this and that but not really try on them
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Yup...nerf hammer is up...OWE will be 30% as effective only in 2.1.0...
after all the buff hype, here comes the nerfHAMMER
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post Jun 23 2014, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 22 2014, 02:44 PM)
I think that was the old calculation.
No longer valid in RoS.

Barb is the closest melee class with 30% damage mitigation by default.
Barb@T6 require buffed 900AR (or 650-700AR without buff) with 15k armor.

Cru requires 300AR to do T6. With high armor, of course.

Therefore, I do think armor > AR in RoS.
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Barb is able to do well in T6 due to they are not a 100% melee class. WT/SS/LQ do not have to face tank the mobs. They can kite damage and deal damage. If anything amiss, they can always use superstition for elemental resist. Straight up 20% reduction is huge.

Cru is totally different. They can survive on 300AR cuz they are using shield and AC have 2 lives. Also they are not entirely needed to face tank the mobs. Cru is a mid range class.

For monks, they need OWE to tank well as they are a full melee class which requires them to stand face to face with mobs to hit them (monk have short hands). Also the secondary single element resists are meant for monk to stack to utilize OWE. It is the main reason why in RoS, dual resist gears no longer exist. To prevent monks from stacking AR + resist. Now they nerf OWE so bad that monks required to stack AR. Now the secondary single resist is pretty much useless to monks. It is back to the same old "must have AR on all gears". What is the difference between RoS and Vanilla Diablo 3?

Apart from AR from OWE, blizz just killed the build diversity that is core of every class by making Dex = Armor
Strength = Armor
Dexterity = Dodge
Intelligence = Resist All
If Dex players wanted to have high armor like Str class, they would have just played Barb/Cru. Looking at DH point of view. Archer class is supposed to be tanky? Its just illogical.

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post Jun 24 2014, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 23 2014, 07:39 PM)
Very insightful reply. Well said.

Monks have the highest AR among all class nowadays.
INT chars used to have high AR (1800-2000 AR).
But as we progress, most INT chars stack about 1100-1200 AR for T6.
Nowadays, few INT char put Diamond in the sockets. 
AR is broken. It seems to have "diminishing return" when you stack high AR.
Stacking high AR doesn't help in survivability.

Blizz want to fix monk's toughness.
I reckon they pull a fast one by giving monk more armor.
Alternatively, Blizz need to buff the LOH of monk by increasing the proc rate.
Either fixing armor or improving LOH, I think it is a more universal defence fix to improve the toughness of monk.

For dodge, as cow said, Blizz will not likely to go for that route.
Successful dodge gives immunity.
There are 2 sides of a coin.
On one side, if Blizz buff the dodge chance, monk will immune to damage aka god mode.
On the other side, with the toughness not fixed, there is still a chance to get hit by fatal blows. Monk's HP will still drain like water when it can't dodge the fatal hit. It is still not good fix. 

Anyway, we will see it how the fix goes at PTR later.
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Stacking up to 2k AR is not really required to do T6. 1300-1500 is all you need. I don't see nerfing OWE is anyway close to fixing monk's toughness, unless you are saying monks are too tanky. Need to make them squishy.

Also choosing between dodging or armor is entirely the basis of Monk/DH class. Blizz cannot or I would say should not dictate how the players play their classes. It makes every class unique and hence the diversity in each class. It makes the game fun.

The one and ONLY one major issue with monk isn't toughness. It is the dps output. Even having high elemental elite dps, the output will lose out of any mid-gear class of any kind. Blizz need to rework some of the skills to give high dmg or cheaper resource for monks to spam them.

Sorry for the rage post. Really disappointed with blizz with the proposed 2.1 changes.
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post Jun 24 2014, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Jun 24 2014, 09:42 AM)
+1

my thoughts exactly Electro..on the philosophy of monk. Funny a lot people will come back and say..hey monk are not supposed to be super tankers.....

But the irony is that the meta game forces monks to be the ultimate tanker due to low DPS output. Like u said, monks are forced to CS + EP in high Torments.

To CS, i.e to pull mobs in...requires high mitigation as you are inviting damage and not avoiding it. Hence, so many monks just abandon DPS and go for high EhP aka ZDps build.

Sad to see the issue of dps is not address but to dex=armor is as someone mentioned a copout. Might as well change dex to str and monks just use str as main stats.
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Exactly that. The thing that forces monk to be tanky is they have crappy dps output despite having insane EEdps. Since day 1 of RoS, monk's dps is solely relying on weapon procs and EP.

And if blizz gonna nerf the tankiness of monks, how on earth we gonna CS anything to us?
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post Jun 24 2014, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(waklu @ Jun 24 2014, 10:43 AM)
so so soooooo much this, but with them buffing our toughness now, cross finger they have dps buff planned as well..

no point with 20m toughness but can barely scratch t5+6 content

/ohmhomhohm
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I have to disagree. Blizz aren't really buffing our toughness. Giving another 10k armor isn't really a great buff as it only gives me somewhat 6-8% extra damage reduction. I'm at 9k+ armor with STI (6.6k without STI). By nerfing OWE down to 30% effectiveness is more or less suicide for monks.
Stacking back AR on gear is going to lower the dps more as it occupies another primary affix on armors when monks can have 4 offensive affixes instead. I don't see it in anyway that's gonna buff our dps up.

p.s. monks can go back to shaolin to meditate more.
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post Jun 24 2014, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ Jun 24 2014, 11:15 AM)
Why do we need to go through such a situation whereby we are forced to farm like crazy just to get that single res to get a chance to enchant other stats. Just the thought of it is just one big joke. Its a game of chance but that chance should be  fair across all class. And to add to that, honestly, how much of an impact does a t6 tanking monk makes in a party. Lets face it. Having 2 wd cru, barb dh or wiZ just steamrolls everything. We need that ultramega super sushi hi burst that makes ppl go Dang we need a monk.
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That DANG is the Exploding Palm that we have. Other than that, the utility monk has (cyclone strike).
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post Jun 24 2014, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Jun 24 2014, 12:16 PM)
Gym...to be honest, I really don't want more toughness...........I actually dislike to play CS-EP monk. I have to because if I don't I feel like I leech in t5-6.

I don't want to CS anything to me. I want to pow wow and smackdown the Elite. Not by tagging it with EP and Crowd Control the rest and waiting for A Crusader to mow down with shotgun or a Jade docs to harvest.

If that is how monks supposed to be played, whats the difference with the monk and scoundrel (with cannot die token)
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Yeah but the fact is all monk skills aren't huge in AoE in general. No choice but to CS them to monks.
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post Jun 28 2014, 03:41 AM

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QUOTE(shinjun @ Jun 28 2014, 01:00 AM)
I'm going for zDPS build in T6 too.  laugh.gif

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/JeSTeR-6586/hero/1198093

59m toughness running around and EP mobs.
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your zdps monk is all over the place. you need Fist of Azturrasq and use cyclone strike
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post Sep 25 2014, 11:04 AM

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Thanks Cow. The news got out pretty fast eh. Keep it up. I believe you can do it too.
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post Sep 26 2014, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(LifeX @ Sep 26 2014, 03:28 PM)
Cow, and Gym, too much la you all. I just got it to beat GRift 36, not even 24 hours, you all beat me to it already LOL.

But grats, lets go higher.
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Need to re-energize the monk competition. Keep it up all.
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post Sep 30 2014, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Sep 30 2014, 02:59 PM)
kadala position?  blush.gif
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Standing?
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post Oct 10 2014, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Oct 10 2014, 05:04 PM)
eh bang, his FD is potentially better than mine and yours hmm.gif
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hahaha potentially but tak jadi. I'm curious to know what is the stat before he rolled it into Lpss.
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post Apr 24 2015, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Apr 21 2015, 11:49 PM)
So, most likely, GR50 is as high as I can be. Don't really like a stressful gameplay.  tongue.gif
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You sure? cuz I'm trying to get higher tongue.gif
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post Apr 24 2015, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Apr 24 2015, 12:52 PM)
DW season Monk broke GR55! Very interesting CDR build! Max CDR on every slot to keep perma Epiphany. You need both weapons with 10% CDR and a belt that does 8% CDR as well. Rings, shoulder and gloves, all CDR. The only exception is Amulet because 10% cc / 100% cdmg are too good.

GR55 required Spirit Guard in Season. In non-season, Ancient Parthan Defenders may help.

The idea of DW get everyone excited! Preferably, get those ancient 5 stat weapons such as Pig Sticker and Gift of Silaria. Best roll is with 10% CDR and resource reduction. You also need 1 of them with LoH.

Well done!

http://www.diablofans.com/builds/54832-gr-...l-wield-raiment

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ps: He skips almost all Elites, just go for large group of whites for progression.
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I was talking to barba and kongeng last night about dw with raiments. But my focus was on fast spirit regeneration to spam DS as much as possible. Might explore into 5 stats sword for CDR build.

Thanks for sharing.

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