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 Monk Discussion V7, RoS:The perfection of Seven Sided Strike

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post Jun 12 2014, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(KruteX @ Jun 12 2014, 02:05 PM)
Hello guys.. a quick question here..

Is there any difference if i equip 1h sword at MH and Mace at OH or vice versa?

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It will swing either way just that mace typically have slower attack speed than sword.

HOWEVER, if you are using spender like LtK, it takes it attack speed and damage from MH, so you best put in your (best) highest dps weapon on that hand.
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post Jun 12 2014, 03:46 PM

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i have the furnace last night. still wondering how good it is. tonight will play a bit with it.
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post Jun 12 2014, 04:20 PM

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was it me or molten hurts more again after this patch?
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post Jun 12 2014, 05:14 PM

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Check this out:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/13086799130#8

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post Jun 12 2014, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(jaychow @ Jun 12 2014, 03:43 PM)
It will swing either way just that mace typically have slower attack speed than sword.

HOWEVER, if you are using spender like LtK, it takes it attack speed and damage from MH, so you best put in your (best) highest dps weapon on that hand.
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i recommend equipping high DAMAGE (not DPS) weapon in MH. look at the damage range instead of the big DPS number at the top. while Mace/Hammer/spear may has lower DPS due to low attack speed, but if their range is higher than your fist/sword, you should put the Mace/Hammer, etc in your main hand.

skill are calculated based on "weapon damage", which is the range, rather than on the big DPS number (range * speed).

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post Jun 12 2014, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jun 12 2014, 05:48 PM)
i recommend equipping high DAMAGE (not DPS) weapon in MH. look at the damage range instead of the big DPS number at the top. while Mace/Hammer/spear may has lower DPS due to low attack speed, but if their range is higher than your fist/sword, you should put the Mace/Hammer, etc in your main hand.

skill are calculated based on "weapon damage", which is the range, rather than on the big DPS number (range * speed).
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Thanks for the clarification; so that big DPS number is basically all stat (% dmg, ats) factors considered into it? So kinda meaningless in actual application (e.g. execute spenders like LtK) other than ePeen?

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post Jun 12 2014, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jun 12 2014, 05:14 PM)
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You should party with a DH with Marked for Death: Grim Reaper. Did you know that it will spread 15% of the killing blow damage from Sever to enemies within 20 yards? smile.gif


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post Jun 12 2014, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 12 2014, 01:47 PM)
Any monk can solo T6? Fast rift!!! Thanks.

Please share your build.
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the only ones who can solo T6 comfortably definitely is sifu cowithgun , btw I just did some testing on odynson is best paired with TF than WKL altho WKL has % lighting damage but the output damage felt slightly lower , btw I combo with my new build the damage is amazing but I think could go higher if i have the lighting raiment set or better gear.
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post Jun 13 2014, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Jun 12 2014, 03:46 PM)
i have the furnace last night. still wondering how good it is. tonight will play a bit with it.
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All I can say is pair to the highest proc attack you have. - i.e Wothf- FoF

stack + Elite damage as much as possible, (legacy SoJ comes to mind)

and .....see t6 rift bosses balls shake when you take 50% of their life in 10-15 secs...
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post Jun 13 2014, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Jun 13 2014, 11:04 AM)
All I can say is pair to the highest proc attack you have. - i.e Wothf- FoF

stack + Elite damage as much as possible, (legacy SoJ comes to mind)

and .....see t6 rift bosses balls shake when you take 50% of their life in 10-15 secs...
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try furnace too laugh.gif
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post Jun 13 2014, 03:35 PM

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i mean i did some reading, first hit with the furnace then swap back to the dualwield higher dps? or reverse? hahaha...the furnace stat is like shit but the one i have with 8% dmg.

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post Jun 13 2014, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Jun 13 2014, 03:35 PM)
i mean i did some reading, first hit with the furnace then swap back to the dualwield higher dps? or reverse? hahaha...the furnace stat is like shit but the one i have with 8% dmg.
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Yes....furnace is very good during early RG ..when RG life is 100%

The way furnace works is like crushing blow .. a percentage of the mob life that you damage. It doesn't matter what skills you use to inflict damage...the key is CAUSE damage and to proc the bonus when the damage is inflicted.

So assuming T6 RG is Butcher which has 4B hp.

Furnace proc rate is about 10% and based on skill. So each time furnace proc , it will hit 6-8% (lets assume its 6%) of the remaining life. So first proc, Butcher get whacked for 4B x 6% = 240M. The damage is white damage so the only thing that buff it is E bonus . Lets assume E bonus is 50%. So, 240 + (0.5 x 240) = 360M.

So, first proc causes 360M, second proc will be based on 4B -360M life...based on the same calculation. Hence, the life gets chipped away pretty fast.

I noticed I can chip away t6 guardian to about 50% in 15 sec due to the super high proc rate of Plague of toads.

After 50% ..swap back to your regular weapon ..and viola....

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post Jun 13 2014, 04:51 PM

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i see. but i tot you only need to proc the furnace once? is there a "period" of time? proc the furnace once, then switch back to main weapons?

edit: my mistake. after read properly the golden text, it is not DoT type. haha...

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post Jun 13 2014, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Jun 13 2014, 04:51 PM)
i see. but i tot you only need to proc the furnace once? is there a "period" of time? proc the furnace once, then switch back to main weapons?

edit: my mistake. after read properly the golden text, it is not DoT type. haha...
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Dot type can proc Furnace bonus also..skills like EP..probabaly once procced, you will have to refresh..i.e palm again for it to proc.

Rend works with Furnace also...
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post Jun 13 2014, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Jun 13 2014, 11:04 AM)
All I can say is pair to the highest proc attack you have. - i.e Wothf- FoF

stack + Elite damage as much as possible, (legacy SoJ comes to mind)

and .....see t6 rift bosses balls shake when you take 50% of their life in 10-15 secs...
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btw are you sure 100fist got highest proc rate?
http://www.d3maxstats.com/?p=procrates&class=monk

also fof not lightning pun sad.gif

and looking at that page makes me depress only lol

the coeff are just doh.gif
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post Jun 13 2014, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 13 2014, 05:58 PM)
btw are you sure 100fist got highest proc rate?
http://www.d3maxstats.com/?p=procrates&class=monk

also fof not lightning pun sad.gif

and looking at that page makes me depress only lol

the coeff are just doh.gif
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For monks yes..

Fists of Fury: 75% on first hit, 18% on second and 100% on third.

The other factor is that FoF has dot..as holy damage. That has its own proc chance which miroors FoF.

Unfortunately, its not lightning but holy..sad.gif

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post Jun 13 2014, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Jun 13 2014, 08:18 PM)
For monks yes..

Fists of Fury: 75% on first hit, 18% on second and 100% on third.

The other factor is that FoF has dot..as holy damage. That has its own proc chance which miroors FoF.

Unfortunately, its not lightning but holy..sad.gif
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aaaannnd thats why i'm on FOT
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post Jun 14 2014, 05:46 AM

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Any monk tested Sunwuko+inna combo yet?

P/s : my monk just finish her long meditation tongue.gif
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post Jun 14 2014, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(fe3doe @ Jun 14 2014, 05:46 AM)
Any monk tested Sunwuko+inna combo yet?

P/s : my monk just finish her long meditation tongue.gif
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Yes... I tested this set combo.
With my setup, i can clear everything easily up to T4.
However, i can't do well in T5 due to low toughness and no elite dmg reduction gear.

I use cindercoat, law of seph spirits stone, sunwuko glove, shoulder n ammy, inna daibo n belt, rorg n 1 rare ring, captain crimson boot n pant, reaper bracer. Total cdr 46%.

skills blinding flash, air ally, epiphany, WoL explosive light, inner sanctuary, serenity.
passive exalted soul, guardian path, beacon of ytar, OWE.

With this setup, I hv about 700k dps, and i can drop primary attack and perma WoL.
When blinding flash 29% + Inner sanctuary 30%, I saw WoL crit 24m+.

Quite fun too. Pls try it, maybe u can have better result biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(dreaming @ Jun 14 2014, 11:54 AM)
Yes... I tested this set combo.
With my setup, i can clear everything easily up to T4.
However, i can't do well in T5 due to low toughness and no elite dmg reduction gear.

I use cindercoat, law of seph spirits stone, sunwuko glove, shoulder n ammy, inna daibo n belt, rorg n 1 rare ring, captain crimson boot n pant, reaper bracer. Total cdr 46%.

skills blinding flash, air ally, epiphany, WoL explosive light, inner sanctuary, serenity.
passive exalted soul, guardian path, beacon of ytar, OWE.

With this setup, I hv about 700k dps, and i can drop primary attack and perma WoL.
When blinding flash 29% + Inner sanctuary 30%, I saw WoL crit 24m+.

Quite fun too. Pls try it, maybe u can have better result biggrin.gif
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The combo quite fun and good. However before blizz fix monk survivability i don't think it will works great at t6. Sad sad..

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