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post Jul 29 2006, 02:38 AM, updated 20y ago

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Hey guys. I'm very new in all these ICE stuff. still noob laa so must learn from sifus biggrin.gif

ive been hearing alot about these speakers good for SQ and SPL n so on. wad are all those actually? want to buy speakers n stuff for upgrade n worry if some i buy sq stuff and some spl stuff later the sound will be quite rojaked.

care 2 explain in simple terms that i would understand? ahhaha ICE noob again as mentioned laugh.gif notworthy.gif

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oh there is more.. wads with this passive sound active sound or soemthing like that


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post Jul 29 2006, 08:03 PM

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SQ - sound quality
*good sound...clarity...mainly used for orchestra kinda music bla bla bla...

SPL - Sound Pressure Level
*simply put... lots n lots of boom boom boooooooooooomm
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post Jul 30 2006, 04:42 PM

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ICE - in car entertainment
HU - head unit
SPL - sound pressure level (concentrating only to achieve excessive loudness biggrin.gif )
SQ - sound Quality (concentrating only the front component. and of course a sub to help a lil bit on the front)

EQ - equalizer

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post Jul 30 2006, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(scotty @ Jul 30 2006, 04:42 PM)
ICE - in car entertainment
HU - head unit
SPL - sound pressure level (concentrating only to achieve excessive loudness  biggrin.gif )
SQ - sound Quality (concentrating only the front component. and of course a sub to help a lil bit on the front)

EQ - equalizer

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actually the sub is as important as the front comps to achieve good up front bass thumbup.gif
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post Jul 30 2006, 06:49 PM

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And also the fact that the subwoofer is actually needed to fill up the last octave of the music spectrum, well, at least, in most of the songs i listen, even crossing my front components at 63Hz doesn't help, definitely need the sub to fill up the rest of the low end for a fuller music experience. Most front components wouldn't be enough to cover the subwoofer part most of the time, even if you are running a 3-way with an 8" subwoofer(which, most, doesn't really have much sub-bass, except, i think, the JL 8W7 laugh.gif and i doubt u can fit the 8W7 in the doors anyway) in the doors
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post Jul 30 2006, 09:33 PM

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i see... thanks for enlightening !! thumbup.gif to sifus biggrin.gif
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post Jul 30 2006, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(GRexer @ Jul 30 2006, 06:49 PM)
And also the fact that the subwoofer is actually needed to fill up the last octave of the music spectrum, well, at least, in most of the songs i listen, even crossing my front components at 63Hz doesn't help, definitely need the sub to fill up the rest of the low end for a fuller music experience. Most front components wouldn't be enough to cover the subwoofer part most of the time, even if you are running a 3-way with an 8" subwoofer(which, most, doesn't really have much sub-bass, except, i think, the JL 8W7 laugh.gif and i doubt u can fit the 8W7 in the doors anyway) in the doors
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even the kick of the W8 wont be as good as any decent 12s i guess
now running subless and listen to hotel california really makes me sweat.gif sweat.gif bo omph doh.gif
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post Jul 31 2006, 01:04 AM

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Hehe... one of those songs that sucks without a subwoofer laugh.gif I had been subless for quite a while earlier on, and recently fitting a subwoofer back... i really appreciated the extra octave of music reproduction laugh.gif
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post Jul 31 2006, 02:25 AM

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hmm.. me 2.. not satisfied without sub. but low on budget, have to wait lah. now getting my component set first. must do it real slow unless i get a special good deal for cheap stuff biggrin.gif
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post Aug 5 2006, 12:47 PM

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how about the preout output level/impedance in HU specs? heard it makes a difference...

2.2V / 1k ohms? 8V / 55 ohms? 5V / 55ohms? huh?? rclxub.gif


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post Aug 5 2006, 01:27 PM

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Yes, output level/impedance does make a difference. Output level higher meaning you can set your gains lower at the amp, thus reducing the stress on the amplifier, though, it doesn't necessarily means better SQ from it. Just that with a lower gain, it'll usually reduce floor noise.

As for output impedance, the lower, the better as the signal have to go thru less resistance wink.gif
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post Aug 5 2006, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(GRexer @ Aug 5 2006, 01:27 PM)
Yes, output level/impedance does make a difference. Output level higher meaning you can set your gains lower at the amp, thus reducing the stress on the amplifier, though, it doesn't necessarily means better SQ from it. Just that with a lower gain, it'll usually reduce floor noise.

As for output impedance, the lower, the better as the signal have to go thru less resistance wink.gif
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actually the use of high output are to stabilize the output transmission and distance...high output = low gain setting are not true......

high voltage will let ur freq to transmit in the cable more stabil, and more freq will be able to reach the amp as compare to low voltage..thus u get better signal amplification...and will have more details of the freq(less freq loss) from the hu output to amp
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post Aug 6 2006, 11:43 AM

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Gain Controls:
    Most amplifiers will have some sort of level or "gain" control. This control is used to match the output of the head unit to an amplifier. The maximum audio output voltage from different head units will vary. If there were no gain controls, some head units would not be able to drive the amplifier to its maximum power level. Other head units may drive the amplifier to full power at a fraction of its volume control's range.


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    A piece of equipment that has a higher maximum output voltage is not necessarily going to sound better than one which is only capable of 2 volts output. The higher output will allow you to reduce the gains on your amp (or any down line signal processor) which will lower the noise floor of your system. If you are not having trouble with noise (alternator, hiss...), you may not benefit from the extra output voltage. You also need to realize that the voltage may be more than your amplifiers can handle. The extra voltage will not damage the amplifier but if the lowest sensitivity (gain setting) on your amp is 2 volts, and you drive it with anything more than 2 volts, it will cause your amp to clip*.

*This assumes that the gain setting is the voltage that will drive the amp to max power. Some amps are underrated and may have slightly more headroom and therefore will clip at a little higher power.


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Pre amp voltage is the amount of voltage that the head unit can send through the pre-amp outputs. Most head units are between 2 and 4 volts, and almost every amplifier has a wide enough input gain variability to accept anything within and somewhat beyond that range. The benefit you get from having a higher pre-out voltage is that it will allow you to turn down the input gain on the amp, thereby lowering the amp's noise floor a tad. That's great, except that a good amp will have a very low noise floor to begin with, so lowering it by 3dB by doubling your pre-out voltage is going to basically be a non-issue. Also, the higher voltage that's running through your RCAs, the less noise it's likely to pick up, but remember that the 2 or 4 volts is the peak output (i.e. it's maximum output at maximum volume) and that during the vast majority of the time, you're at a very small fraction of that. In most listening cases, you're probably only pushing 50mV or less through the RCAs, so if you double that to 100mV, you're still talking about very little voltage and a high noise susceptibility either way. Proper routing of your RCAs will have a far greater impact on noise than your pre-out voltage.


this 3 article shows that the HU voltage output and amp gain are very much related

QUOTE(howiechoo @ Aug 5 2006, 11:58 PM)
actually the use of high output are to stabilize the output transmission and distance...high output = low gain setting are not true......

high voltage will let ur freq to transmit in the cable more stabil, and more freq will be able to reach the amp as compare to low voltage..thus u get better signal amplification...and will have more details of the freq(less freq loss) from the hu output to amp
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no matter low volt or high volt
the amount of freq that will reach to the amp is still the same
it's about the interference that will cause distortion to the freq
high voltage usually have low impedance while low voltage will have high impedance
so if a low voltage HU's freq is distorded + the amount of resistence
the quality of the freq will be greatly reduce

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post Aug 6 2006, 06:36 PM

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Great info there driftmeister, it's the first time i heard that output voltage has nothing to do with amp's gain though laugh.gif

Just a note that having higher output voltage has anything to do with getting more power into the amp, it'll only let you set lower gains and thus making the amp work less hard.

 

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