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de1929
post Sep 5 2014, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 4 2014, 10:05 PM)
Without theology, how would you know Jesus?

Eternal life is knowing Him.

There is no misleading. Are you saying that the commendation that Jesus gave to the church in Smryna is useless as scripture?

Doesnt matter what you believe. Without theology, your faith is based on sinking sand
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Keep hurting body of Christ and confirm Christ will not be happy. Don't damage yourself. Repent !
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post Sep 5 2014, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 5 2014, 03:14 PM)
Why don't you discuss proper?

instead on going ad hominen?
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Thanks for the invitation. I wish i can discuss with you but If Jesus instruct me not to discuss with prophetjul then i have to obey Jesus first. sorry about that.

I wrote what i hear from Jesus. Period. If i add something, then i will write in my opinion... this..that...

I have only one verse that I got from Jesus. The one is not with me is against me. Luke 11:13.

then prophetjul replies about money..money..money.. and give negative credits to Israel Houston charging people for few RM.

I ask Jesus and I give evaluation to Lord Jesus that prophetjul is inappropriate. But, what do you think ? I asked Lord Jesus myself. Then Lord Jesus replies that somebody that keep hurting the body of Christ, will deal with the husband himself, which is... Jesus Christ.

Saul has good intention, but if JESUS asked why you persecuted me ? i believe Jesus is not happy regardless good intention or not.

Therefore I wrote: Keep hurting body of Christ and confirm Christ will not be happy. Don't damage yourself. Repent !

That's all i have.
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QUOTE(sonido @ Sep 5 2014, 08:56 PM)
Greetings!  biggrin.gif

I kinda stumbled upon an article which I feel compelled to put it here, otherwise I wouldn't be here. It is 100% the same as what I believe, in case someone wonders what kind of teaching I am following.. hehe.

Once upon a time  I had an argument with a false teacher, who thought that Salvation is free and easy.... doh.gif  and his followers are blindly following him, cuz he is their Jesus. LOL.

So here it goes...

Wait b4 that, if anyone wants to shoot me later, I say don't bother. I am uninterested to argue no more. I'll say adios to you all, I am following the narrow and difficult path, you all adament to follow the broad and popular path, so there is no reason to argue anymore.

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ELECTION UNTO SALVATION:

A HATED DOCTRINE IN CHURCHIANITY
by Daniel E. Parks

Modern Churchianity is a perversion of Biblical Christianity. Whereas Christianity is founded upon Christ, Churchianity is founded upon churches and denominations. And whereas Christianity resorts to Holy Scriptures for its beliefs, Churchianity resorts to its creeds and confessions. Churchianity therefore denies many of the doctrines of Christ and the Scriptures.

One of the foremost examples of such a Biblical doctrine denied, and even despised by Churchianity is that of election unto salvation. This doctrine teaches that God, before the foundation of the world, for His own glory and through His free and sovereign grace, predestined a host of unworthy sinners to salvation who otherwise would not have been saved.

Many of Churchianity's ministers deny that the doctrine of election unto salvation is found in Holy Scriptures. One must therefore conclude that they have never read the Bible!

We read in Ephesians 1:1-6 concerning the "saints ... and faithful in Christ Jesus": "... the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ ... chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace ...." And we read in 2 Thessalonians 2:13 concerning these same believers in Jesus Christ: "But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation ...."

We read of "the purpose of God according to election" in Romans 9:11; of "the election of grace" in Romans 11:5; that "the elect have obtained [grace]" in Romans 11:7; of "election by God" in 1 Thessalonians 1:4; that "the elect ... may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus" in 2 Timothy 2:10; that believers are called "the elect of God" in Colossians 3:12; of "the faith of God's elect" in Titus 1:1; that Christians are "elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father" in 1 Peter 1:2; of the people of God being a "chosen generation" in 1 Peter 2:9; of "calling and election" in 2 Peter 1:10; that the children of God are "called, chosen, and faithful" in Revelation 17:14; and of the futility of raising "a charge against God's elect" in Romans 8:33.

God declares in Isaiah 65:9 that "My elect shall inherit [My mountains]." And God declares in Isaiah 65:22 that "My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands."

Jesus Christ declares in Matthew 20:16 and 22:14 that "many are called, but few are chosen"; and in Mark 13:20 that "the elect" are those "whom [the Lord] chose"; and in John 13:18 that "I know whom I have chosen." Jesus Christ says of His disciples in John 15:19 that "I have chosen you out of the world"; and in John 15:16, "You did not choose Me, but I chose you." Jesus Christ declares in Matthew 24:31 that He will at the last day "gather together His elect"; and in Luke 18:7 that "God [will] avenge His own elect." Perhaps Jesus Christ warns us of Churchianity's ministers when He declares in Matthew 24:24 that "false christs and false prophets" will try "to deceive, if possible, even the elect."

Election unto salvation is certainly a Biblical doctrine!

Many of Churchianity's ministers aver that the doctrine of election unto salvation is a "damnable heresy." Their assertion would make God and His ministers "damnable heretics," since God has revealed this doctrine and His ministers teach it.

And far from being a "damnable heresy," the doctrine of election unto salvation is a blessed truth. Remember that Paul the apostle in Ephesians 1:3f included election unto salvation among the "spiritual blessings in the heavenly places in Christ"; and that he was in 2 Thessalonians 2:13 "bound to give thanks to God always" for election unto salvation. The psalmist David therefore wrote in Psalm 65:4, "Blessed is the man whom You choose, and cause to approach You, that he may dwell in your courts."

Many of Churchianity's ministers who admit that election unto salvation is a Biblical doctrine refuse to teach it because, they say, "It is too deep and dark a subject." In saying it is too dark a subject, they admit that they themselves are devoid of spiritual light to teach it. In saying it is too deep a subject, they declare that their own congregants are too shallow-minded to understand it. Such ministers and congregants will therefore be unable to obey the exhortation in 2 Peter 1:10 to "be even more diligent to make your calling and election sure."

Many of Churchianity's ministers who admit that election unto salvation is a Biblical doctrine aver that it has no place in preaching and evangelism. To the contrary, Paul the apostle began his evangelistic message recorded in Acts 13:16ff by saying ".....The God of this people Israel chose our fathers ...." And surely Paul included the doctrine of election unto salvation when he declared in Acts 20:27, "I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God."

Many of Churchianity's ministers who admit that election unto salvation is a Biblical doctrine aver that the teaching of it hinders church growth. This is true only in the building of their sort of churches, those in which one of the most integral doctrines of God's Word is denied and despised. This doctrine did not hinder the growth of apostolic churches.

Many of Churchianity's ministers who admit that election unto salvation is a Biblical doctrine deny that we may know who the elect are. They are certainly wrong.

Peter the apostle addressed his first epistle to persons he knew to be "elect according to the foreknowledge of God" (1 Peter 1:2); and assured them that they were "a chosen generation" (2:9); and wrote also of "She who is in Babylon, elect together with you" (5:13). And Peter admonished his readers to "make your calling and election sure" (2 Peter 1:10). John the apostle addressed his second epistle to one whom he knew to be an "elect lady" (2 John v.1), and assured her that "The children of your elect sister greet you" (v.13). Paul the apostle was personally assured that "The God of our fathers has chosen you" (Acts 22:14). And Paul wrote an epistle to persons of whom he said, "knowing, beloved, your election by God" (1 Thessalonians 1:4). In another epistle Paul requested his readers to "Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord" (Romans 16:14). Luke wrote of "the apostles whom [Jesus] had chosen" (Acts 1:2). We may indeed know who are God's chosen people!

Why do Churchianity's ministers deny and even despise the doctrine of election unto salvation? Because this doctrine abases the pride of man and exalts the grace of God. This truth was expressed in a hymn by Joseph Hart (18th century):
Why so offensive in their eyes
Does God's election seem?
Because they think themselves so wise
That they have chosen Him.....
"Election!" 'tis a word divine;
For, Lord, I plainly see,
Had not Thy choice preceded mine,
I ne'er had chosen Thee.
In order to believe and love this doctrine, one must acknowledge that Jesus Christ spoke the truth when He declared in John 15:16, "You did not choose Me, but I chose you." Such a believer and lover of the truth will not hesitate to sing the hymn of Josiah Condor (1856):
'Tis not that I did choose Thee,
For, Lord, that could not be,
This heart would still refuse Thee,
But Thou hast chosen me:
Thou from the sin that stained me
Washed me and set me free,
And to this end ordained me,
That I should live to Thee.

'Twas sovereign mercy called me,
And taught my op'ning mind;
The world had else enthralled me,
To heav'nly beauties blind.
My heart owns none above Thee;
For Thy rich grace I thirst;
This knowing, if I love Thee,
Thou must have loved me first.

Do you rejoice in the Biblical doctrine of election unto salvation?

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It's a nice post and thanks for sharing the value of your Christianity. At least now me, ngaisteve and UW don't think you have "other religion".

I called this your conviction.

What i believe, that Daniel E. Parks also don't want any Christian without Church. I have been studying many preachers / teaching, 100% advises must attend a church. They called it "local church".

Have you find church that share same values with you ?
you still need somebody to speak to your live if you are not doing Matthew 20:16 and 22:14,
if there is false Christ (Matthew 24:24) ... you have friends / leaders to share what do you think about A,B,C,D preacher this and that...

Last time i recalled you said dun wanna go to church cuz still sinful and struggling, i think: prophetjul don't agree with this in addition to me, ngaisteve1 and UW....

@prophetjul, cmiiwr :-) maybe he can grow in your church ? we are talking about a soul here.






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post Sep 8 2014, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Sep 7 2014, 10:04 AM)
which church you guys goes to? myself is central Christian church of Malaysia. it's a non denominations church. already 16 years
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I went to City Harvest Church sunway. Sometimes going to indonesian service at 2PM sunday.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 8 2014, 08:40 PM)
Yea internal bleeding, cough too hard with blood, been many months, seen the doctor, complete whole course of med, took a lot of rest, drank a lot of warm water.
Lost my voice. Couldn't speak with proper voice for almost 5 months. It's a miracle how I was able to lead Praise & Worship.

Finally I told God, I've done all I can, seen the doctors, etc I rest in your finished work at the cross. Bingo Last Sunday Holy Communion, healing flowed!
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do u mind sharing with us when you will lead P&W again and where drool.gif drool.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 9 2014, 11:05 AM)
If anything I'm convicted it's more of spiritual attack than physical.

I think devil trying to shut my voice so that I can't pray or worship.  vmad.gif
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If you think it's spiritual attack, I have been trained to declare Psalm 91 every morning.

There are few churches n ministry in indonesia that has enough awareness of spiritual warware. They intercede to stand in the gap for indonesia. These folks also has the same guide from Holy Spirit through local leaders: Declare Psalm 91.

Should try bro n cepat sembuh :-)


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 9 2014, 11:38 AM)
No wonder Indonesia quite strong now in Christianity.  cry.gif

Malaysia who stands in the gap?

Ok, will make it my prayer for now, Psalms 91.
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oh i forgot to highlight when i use the word pray and declare doh.gif

Usually i use the word pray as pray in the church, pray before eating meal, pray in heart etc, hold my hand and close my eyes, and face down...

for declare, emphasizing on voicing and heart attitude: the background is on the spiritual warfare, imagine you face your opponent face to face. and you have to say to your enemy get off ! ... you have no right to be here... this is belong to Christ... Begone. If possible make your voice whole, take a deep breath before yelling at devil's face.

As you are a worship leader, i assumed your breathing and voicing is trained enough to yelled so naturally declare is like yelling...

When i declare, my hand is not like praying and sure my knees is not bended. Usually i walked here and there and my hand and finger pointing somebody in front of me as if the devil is in front of me.

that's my insight and it's not a law okkk :-)



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QUOTE(g r a p e k e y @ Sep 9 2014, 12:26 PM)
Hi everyone, welcome to True Jesus Church biggrin.gif

Here's my church website http://tjc.org  & http://www.facejesus.org (Over here, you can read lots of testimonies).

Please feel free to check the website in your convenient time. Thank you everyone biggrin.gif
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welcome TJC !

Allow me to give some inputs, kindly take it with a big heard smile.gif

most of the website is TJC mother church based in US. It does have yellow pages services for all branches worldwide. Clicking contact-us will lead to some addresses overseas.

Do you have website for local branch ? perhaps with some local leader email / phone no ?
facebook page should be a good start if dun have any website for local church.
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post Sep 10 2014, 08:49 PM

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Fact 1: Because Jesus performed miracles of healing on the Sabbath, some Pharisees accused Him of breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:10; Mark 3:2, John 9:14-16)

Fact 2: But the same Jesus also saying: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil the law - Mat 5:17.

Fact 1 and Fact 2 are not contradicting to each other.

Jesus purchases the law through HIS work in the cross.


Therefore the law is not "what" (what referring to itemized word) but "who" (who refers to living being). It is up to Jesus to decide this sunday work or this sunday do healing.

In indonesia, president has a right called "grasi"
http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grasi
President can change a law.
I do not know what's the equivalent word in English for "grasi"... perhaps "Grace" ?

Therefore HE send us HIS Holy Spirit so we operate in GOD's grace, not by law.

to link Fact 1 and Fact 2 in a simple way:
Jesus say: ok this sunday go healing ministry.... Next sunday observe sabath... anyone who is not going healing ministry with ME this sunday i want a full report and reason... next week anybody do anything but not observing sabbath also need full report and reason... mark your calender, take heed cuz I am the KING and my word is the law.

Out ot topic PS: do you know that old testament say Maliachi 3:10 about 10% of your income belong to GOD but New Testament Roman 12:1 say give yourself as living sacrifice ? (what i try to say: 100% your income naturally belong to GOD) hehehe... whistling.gif

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calvary convention is what church ya ? what denomination ?
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Sep 15 2014, 05:12 AM)
http://www.cracked.com/article_21538_5-thi...a_ibsrc=fanpage

I'm very sad. Help is useless cry.gif Want to support help organizations like World Vision also doubtful now because pagar makan padi
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sometimes... sometimes...

it is just good to do it yourself the ministry. If you want to start your own ministry we will support you rclxms.gif

like usual, kindly ask Holy Spirit guidance, Jesus Christ kingship mandate (aka spiritual authorithy), and NCEF if you wanna open public bank church / ministry bank account.
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Sep 15 2014, 04:37 PM)
About the social help thing. I want to save people but I'm too weak to do so, emotionally and physically.
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Have you considered sharing your problem with local leader about your problem ? many people wants to invest in your live, as long as you give a chance.
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Sep 16 2014, 12:44 AM)
Not sure if understand. But people are already ministering in here. Issues is trusting that they don't exploit people...
It's very offputting that every Christian organization is now associated with paedophiles and corruption. Try to defend, all sorts of gritty personal stories spew out. Semua also salah.
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If the issue is trust, there are many way to resolve it. But have you considered start your own ministry ? with donation from people, you personally supervise all detail of the ministry or hands on the ministry yourself.
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What's up everybody... does anybody know when hillsong will perform in malaysia ? or the other question: any church plan to invite hillsong to perform in malaysia ?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 19 2014, 02:05 PM)
Yup, full time.
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waaahhh so envy lahh rclxms.gif
last timei wanna go study at portland bible college no money lor rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 19 2014, 03:26 PM)
nothing to envy, really. Ministry not easy.
yup depends on the Church.
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if the church can do the spiritual mapping before sending evangelist to pioneer a church should be manageable imho.

identify devil's local structure such as:
1. how many massage parlour there ?
2. how many criminal record / kes jenayah in local city ?
3. how many disease / death record for babies
4. how healthy is the city
5. how about people income. are they poor, abnormal poor or are they rich / abnormal rich.

i just wonder those churches that send minister to orang aseli, does church simply sending people or did the spiritual mapping analysis before sending them ? just curious.

i did respect churches that send minister to orang aseli okk... peace thumbup.gif
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forgot to add, sure devil's attack are real and translated as: ministry is not easy.

This post has been edited by de1929: Sep 19 2014, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 19 2014, 04:12 PM)
haha you understand.  rclxms.gif
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haha... i got beaten one by devil sure learns from mistake maaa.... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Sep 19 2014, 05:54 PM)
lol, he is himself while i am myself smile.gif  we are both different person thumbup.gif
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ngaisteve1, i am indonesian lahhh... i am quite sure De_Luffy is local cool2.gif
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Sep 19 2014, 04:51 PM)
Wah if that's the citeria I can confidently say my place is the tong sampah of KL. I know there small churches dotted around the area to minister, though I don't know how effective they are. Can't expect them to really do miracles due to the sheer size of the tong sampah.

How tong sampah? Prostitute den right across police station.
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No tong sampah is unreachable by God's Grace and Power. cool2.gif

First: How many family lives around you ? are you staying in apartment or landed property ?
if apartment, how many units for 1 floor ? is it 5 storey apartment or skyrise like 10 - 20 storedy ?

if landed property, how many houses in 1 street / 1 block ?

the idea is density, a dense sinned population is simply more difficult to cater than a less dense sinned population.

Second: have you heard gossip / rumors that when somebody build your property / nearby property and there was accident, that people died ?

the idea of blood spill on the ground is a major key entry for devils to hold the land. The land nearby where blood was spilled, is a cursed land. Cursed land exhibits higher crime rates, more divorce for family, prone to sickness, frequent dengue case (mosquito), higher divorce rate, a lot of accidents, prostitution, regular tense / fight, and many other curses.

there are more questions for me to ask so let's start with this smile.gif



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