What does that tells you? Praying in tongues is not important?


26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

No, that's not right.

You cannot call a person washed by the blood of Christ a sinner.

Unless....you're denying Christ' work at the cross. Is that what you're saying now?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 21 2014, 11:24 PM

I would go as far to say it's better to pray in the spirit. How big you want me to highlight this? Like Paul's big red letter?


26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

Praying in tongues is being lead by the spirit. Spirit Lead Life.

Does it makes you less of a Christian? No.
Does it mean you can't pray in normal language? No.

Why? Do you feel inferior because of this? No. You have that gifting too.

Not for the believer it's not.

Of course not, they have to accept Christ but if they do, God credit their Faith as Righteousness, so how can you call a born again believer a sinner anymore?

I believe it helps. And from experiences it has. I pray a lot in my normal languages but the dimension of the spirit is different.

This is something you cannot deny.

If it does not negate the work of Christ, then He is eternally saved by Grace, through his Faith.

His repentance is to believe in this, everyday even if he sins. His Salvation is from God as a gift.

His righteousness is the result of 1 Man's obedience Christ, not his.



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 12:24 AM

If you believe the word of God is confined just to the word of God and does not manifest in the realities of Life, you are living the life of a powerless Salvation. That is what you're believing. You're just echoing what the writer writes. You believe in him more than what scripture says. The Bible is full of accounts of miracles.

Denying that it's only valid during Jesus days and the Apostles days is unwarranted. The Bible never conclude as such. Only Sceptic does. Sceptic Christians who don't believe like you.

The Bible is never about unbelieve but BELIEVING! disbelieving Heart towards God is a SIN, the same when you deny Him of his miracles.

And you question my miracle experiences and have the audacity to say it's not authentic? Who do you think you are? I have enough of your insults.
You can blaspheme me, that's alright, Blaspheme the HS for his work in my life? Consider your own ways whether it's pleasing In God's sight, you are encouraging unbelief, division and arguments.

Praying in tongues is between you and God. Who gives you the idea to take things out of context, calling in other believers the need for interpretation, it shows that you CLEARLY don't understand this portion.

1 Corinthians 14

6 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you,.....

What does If I come to you means? Care to think about that for just 3 minutes? WHAT DOES THAT TELLS YOU?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 10:47 AM

Only IF He rejects Christ as the messiah on purpose, going back to the Law (Galatians 5:4 & Hebrews 10:26) problem is, does he even understand what that means?

It really boils down to how the Gospel is presented.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 01:31 AM

No Wrong.

This is the accurate definition according to scripture, the rest is the following of the base of this definition.

Romans 5:19 - For just as through the disobedience of the one man (Adam) the many were made sinners,

and in the same breath.

so also through the obedience of the one man (Christ) the many will be made righteous.

Adam made us sinners
Christ makes us righteous

This is what I've been standing on all these while.

Before you accept Christ, you are a sinner because of Adam's disobedience not because you sin so also when you accept Christ you are righteous because of Christ obedience not because you obey.

The things if God is very consistent. If you say Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow then this is also very true.

You were locked into sin by Adam's Sin, no matter how much good you do, you cannot be righteous and get out of the status of a sinner in the same manner when you're set free by Christ, no matter what you do, you cannot undo your status as Righteous as long as your Faith holds.

If Salvation is given to you as a Gift, something you have never earned anyway, what makes you think you can through the same concept of effort, lose your Salvation when you have never earned it in the first place? (Wages and Gift as in Romans 4:4)

Not unless you are suggesting you got your Salvation because you repented and you lose your Salvation because you disobeyed God.

That clearly makes your Salvation becomes your effort. You contradict the meaning of Grace vs Works! You are also in essence pushing away What Christ did for you at the cross. You have never understood what the work of Christ is. You think you know but when you echoed Believers can change back into a sinner, you are in error of scripture.

The Bible is very clear! If Grace it is not of works and if it's work, it is no longer grace.

YOU ARE TRYING TO MIX BOTH TOGETHER.

The Bible will have no such thing. Old Wine cannot be poured into New Wine Skin, it will burst.

This is scripture, you cannot deny.

One more thing. YOU CAN'T EVEN OPEN YOUR DAMN MOUTH and admit Jesus has cleansed the believers and made Him Righteous through his blood.
What's wrong with you? Devil got your tongue?

Satan wants people to remain in sin and keep on acknowledging he is a sinner all the time so that they remain bound to eternal condemnation.
God wants his people to be free from sin and keep on acknowledging the work of Christ is FINISHED and that he is righteous in Christ to eternal life.

I guess we all now know which camp you belong to seeing that you refuse to acknowledge what Christ did.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 11:15 AM

Read the whole context.

In Hebrews 10, it begins like this..

1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves.

It's talking about the Law as the base subject.

The key verse is in here:


For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins.

Verse 4 says : It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. What this means is that the Blood of Christ Can, once and for all.

The Blood of Christ, CAN Remove it once and for all and would no longer have felt guilty of their sins.

Then it goes on to talk about the Roles of the Priest under the OT Covenant in comparison with Christ as the New High Priest.

And in verse 19 onwards, it says:

19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. 23Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

If you read that in totality, what does it tells you? Keep on holding on to that Faith. Because if you reject that, then what it means is that you're going back to the way of atonement through the Law which is not of Faith.

From verse 19 all the way to verse 25 is about Faith. Then only it goes to verse 26. But before we answer verse 26, you have to understand what it's all about from verse 1 to 25. Then you will understand what verse 26 is talking about.

Let me asked you a question pertaining to verse 26.

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

Have you as a Christian ever sinned wilfully? If you say no, I think we all know that's a lie. I don't mean to be rude but I believe we all do.

If we go by that understanding YOU ALSO do not have anymore sacrifice for sins left.

And not only you but all of us are heading towards eternal condemnation.

If you say that but we can confess for repentance and for forgiveness wat, No. It says, there's no more sacrifice for you when you sin wilfully.
If there's no more sacrifice left, what can you confess upon?

The key word here is : no sacrifice for sins is left.

Question: What does that mean?

Why does it end with the verse?

“But my righteous one will live by faith. in verse 38 and 39?


Here is the hint

1 Corinthians 15:56 - The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

read that in contrast with verse 18 Of the same Hebrews 10: - 18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

The summary is this.

What Christ has forgiven, it is indeed forgiven completely! Therefore sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary. Meaning vice versa is also true, if it is not completely forgiven past, present and future the sacrifice is still necessary! But we all know that is not the truth, Christ sacrifice is once and for all! Meaning eternal, meaning 24/7.


But if you want to go under law, There is no more sacrifice! Why? Because that Covenant has been made void. Why again? Because Christ has come.

So either you put yourself under Law (verse 26) or you put yourself under grace which is the new and living way (verse 19-25).

That is the context.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 01:37 AM

I believe a person can fall away from grace when Only IF He rejects Christ as the messiah on purpose, that is the same effect as going back to the Law (Galatians 5:4 & Hebrews 10:26).

Rejecting purposely and willingly.

Then he condemns himself to eternal judgement.

But the main crust of the Gospel is never that.

God doesn't want that, else why would he sent His only begotten Son.

This is the thing I always emphasize.

But I also believe this, if that believer has fallen away as in backslided but still faintly believe that Jesus is his messiah, I believe God can still bring him back. But even if he passed on, this is something me and pehkay believes in, the person is saved but it's less rewarding for Him on Judgement day compared to other brethren.

Pehkay takes it one step further in believing He will be punished to be changed. I don't subscribe to that because for me that is not biblical.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 09:38 AM

Bro, everybody is free and entitled to their opinion. We cannot forced anyone to bend to what I or you believe in.
Let them read the Bible & believe in that and Let God have his way and He will unite his children in his own time and will.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 09:42 AM

I need to apologize to you and the rest of the Christians in here for the long rebuttal between myself and mr jul.

This is an old rivalry matter.

The thing is, If every Christians is like you, asking my opinion why I believe in such and such and even if you don't accept my explanation, and the conversation stops there, I'm totally fine with that because I believe every Christians is entitled to their own opinion.

After all this Christian Fellowship thread is suppose to be based like that. I wished there are more Christians like yourself, we have a lot more peaceful fellowship.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 09:54 AM

First and foremost, I don't need your right on.

What did the Lost Sheep did to repent? What did the Lost coin do to repent?

Still don't understand that lesson?

You can continue confessing you're a sinner even after conversion disregarding what Christ has done for you. Which is a once and for all cleansing. Somehow or rather the word needing to be crucified over and over again escapes your understanding. To me confessing your sins every time you sin that is not scriptural.

Or you can continue confessing that you ARE still righteous in Christ despite you've just sin. That is recognising that Christ cleansing is once and for all.

God the Father sent his son to punished and the Punishment was no JOKE to remove your sins so that you are made righteous and CLEAN!

And Here you are still unwilling to accept What He did is complete. Why Break the Father's heart to see this denial?



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 08:08 PM

Same goes to you. Who elected you to tell any of us who's compromising what truth. Take a good look at the mirror before accusing me of that.

Faith in God's world will manifest in the physical realm. His promises, his signs and wonder. It has always been in the case in the Christian community. For you to deny that is no different in denying God.

Don't kid yourself. Every Christian is ONCE a sinner saved by God's Grace. You're not the only one.

God's words brings faith, not signs and wonders?

Mark 16:17 - And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

I'm very sure you'll say that's only for the apostle. Tell you what lah. Forget about this portion of scripture, you don't believe in it anyway.

The things of God goes hand in hand. His miracles should be something of a norm for Christians, not something of abnormality.

Sure Ask the 2 Israelites who entered the Promised Land while the rest died due to rebellious Heart of UNBELIEF.

Jesus tried to persuade The Jewish ppl who rejected Him. Even if they don't believe in Him, at least BELIEVE in Miracles! (John 14). YOU ARE BEGINNING TO SOUND LIKE THE PHARISEES! Because they rather believe in Scripture rather than in Jesus!

Amazing isn't it? And you don't even realize it. Really Shake head, HONESTLY.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 08:13 PM

OF course. It's the way your generation present the Gospel in mixture of Works and Grace, that makes it a powerless Gospel.

Again, Read THAT verse in totality. It is GOD who works in you. And you think it's really you who work out your own Salvation.

Wrong message of what constitute Salvation.

Of course it becomes very serious, because you try to carry and work out your own Salvation. What's so surprising? Really?

No wonder you don't find rest in your Salvation. Because you got to keep it all the time.

Too obsessed? You don't know the Grace of God. You only know it in your head.

If I don't already know where you're coming from, you are promoting a powerless Christianity.

No wonder your friends gave up their Faith.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 08:18 PM

That is the Truth, based on scripture. That is why the HS find it important to expound between Adam and Jesus, about the position of Sin and the Position of Righteousness in Romans 5.

If Believers who falls into Sin, it doesn't change his standing, God does not see the Sin in Him.
I'm not saying there is no sin. But every sin committed is eternally position at the cross. It was judicially absolved at the cross.

This is only true for the Believer.

Yes, I'm screaming at you. Ask yourself why do you deny Christ work at the cross as complete and finished. I find that kind of denial really an abomination if not blasphemous.

Here it is Again. If our Lord Christ Jesus has removed and cleansed a person of his sins. What does that make him? Still a sinner?

And you call yourself a believer? You CAN'T EVEN SAY IT OUT. Something is seriously wrong.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 04:52 PM

When you try to carry or work out your Salvation, the tendency to fall out or leave the house is quite High.

God's way of Salvation is to let Him carry you.

He is God after all. You can never fall in Love with God until you let Him Love you First.



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 06:52 PM

Most Hollywood Christian movie isn't accurately biblical based.

I think it's only the Passion of Christ, Mel Gibson, that's the closest.

Witnessing is more in tuned with people.

Movie can only do so much depending on it's content.

I haven't seen the movie any examples why it's that bad?