Philippians 2:12-13 (NIV)Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.….

Vain Repetition just means that repeating a single phrase many times. In Pehkey's case, it would be repeting Oh Jesus many times unless he begs to differ. I mean I do not know how you can even get the idea that it means babbling incoherently when vain repetition means useless repetition literally.

Calling upon the Name of Lord Jesus is different from mindless repetition of Oh Jesus in Pehkey's case unless he begs to differ.

Even though the entire chapter was talking about sexual immorality, that verse was specifically saying that when one is in an unacceptable state, do not let him stay anylonger as this person will contaminate the church. As for Pehkey, since his fundamentals are very unquestionable, then it is applicable. The point is that would you even listen to someone whose fundamentals are questionable even though he may get some of the points right.

Nope. It's talking about people who seems to have the appearance of serving the lord. I really do not know your obsession with law versus grace.

If Pehkey cannot answer the hard questions, he is not fit to be a bible teacher.

Being Saved is one thing. Keeping your Salvation & running the race til the end is another story!

That is why we need to work out our salvation with FEAR & TREMBLING 

  What happens to Christians/believers who after being saved but stil commit the following ( i just use sexual sin as an example ) :

- fornicate
- commit adultery
- enjoys pornography
- same sex partner

and continue living like the devil from Mon - Sat even though they believe in Jesus Christ? Will they go to heaven if they die unrepentant?

For, even the al-Kitab says the devil believes in Christ! That does not mean the devil is saved & will go to heaven!



A Christian WILL & MUST bear fruit in this life for the al-Kitab says,

Faith Without Works Is Dead    James 2:14-26

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[ works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
So let this be a warning : your spiritual condition CAN CHANGE after being saved.

There are plenty of verses in the al-Kitab warning against this falling away/back-sliding(very slack term). So pls, pls take heed :

1) If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, he will die for it. Ezek 33:18

2) "But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die. Ezek. 18:24

3) From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. John 6:66

4) Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck  1 Tim 1:19

5) All unrighteousness is sin, but there is a sin not unto death 1 John 5:17

  Sexual immorality is definitely 1 of the sins which lead to death! Death here means spiritual death!

6) If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud." 2 Pet 2:20-22

7) For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins. Hebr 10:26

8) They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away Luke 8:13

   
        9), 10) & 11) are repeated warnings!

9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate (homosexuals), nor abusers of themselves with mankind.... 1 Corinthians 6:9

10) But people who are cowardly, unfaithful, detestable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars will find themselves in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur/brimstone. This is the second death."  Rev 21:8

11) Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God  Gal 5:19 - 21
Now before anyone lynches me, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON ONE THING........I'm not preaching legalism, neither am i preaching salvation by works.

I'll leave everyone here with a final verse, the al-Kitab(Berita Baik) says about those who sin after getting saved:

    If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9)

hi guys. first time posting here because i just watched this video and want to ask you guys about this.

is it true there is hudud in bible.
does he misinterpret the verse or is there another explanation of the verse?
if it is true, does it change ur perception of hudud?
btw i am a muslim myself but not have deep knowledge in islam and just watch islamic lecture sometimes.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=324065971078526
tldw version;
deuteronomy (22:22-24) stoning



matthews (5:30) cut off hand

Thanks! I knw whr u stand now  . I've always taken the approach whr, its best to stay obedient........u knw, better to be safe than sorry b'cos if we are His, he will chastise us. My previous post is more on personal observation of other Christians as well as the Bible verses that i provided.

Oh! Also, i dun believe in Calvinism one neh......

The gist of my question is basically, what happens then to Christians who live like the devil after being saved without repentance?

What i meant by obedience is like what Sylar333 said :
so dun look too much into it  . Christians should behave this way after being saved. tats all.

Finally, i attch 11 verses to my 1st post to u. It would b helpful if u could break it down frm thr & how it reconciles.

Thanks!

By the leading of the Holy Spirit. Sometimes there is a very strong tug at the heart. I suppose the spirit is more sensitive when the H.S. comes probing. At least that's how i feel at times  I can't speak for every Christian cos i'm not them.

As for your question on sinning wilfully, we stil have free will wat, no meh?

Pls read my reply to Sylar444's post too.

Thanks brahhhhh!

Ha ha ha! yeah mang! exactly! i agree wif the highlighted blue part.

As for the red higlight, pls go ahead 

i see.......

sometimes hor, temptation can come on very strongly. then, sometimes it just goes away automatically. at other times, frens can b a bad influence & b a form of temptation too.

yeah ( blue highlight ), sometimes its the conscience. at other times, u knw its too strong a pull to be called conscience. its more of a deep-set conviction tat can only come frm the H.S.

u by any chance have any experience wif or as a Christian counsellor? i've overheard some really hardcore cases tat they're dealing wif & i go 
but mostly, to preserve anonymity, counsellors only counsel members frm other churches & vice versa.

Just wondering do you guys have a 'small group' (ie 3-4 person - same grp of ppl) meet up together on regular basis (ie once or twice a week) say to encourage, spur one another, to share our struggles, to share good news?

wat for??!! isn't it better to remain anonymous on the interweb & discuss in this manner?

irl i might get angry      & punch ThePope in the face then how??! 

Did you know that even in prophecy, Judas was actually the one who was prophesized to betray Jesus?
12 Then I said to them, “If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain.” So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver.

13 And the Lord said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—that princely price they set on me. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord for the potter. 14 Then I cut in two my other staff, Bonds, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

He was always a "questionable" disciple.
4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,

5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?

6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

The main reason why Judas Iscariot was attracted to Jesus Christ was because he thought Jesus Christ was going to be the actual King at that time, and when Jesus Christ achieves that, he will benefit from that. When he realizes that Jesus was not going to be the king he imagine, he became very dissapointed. You see, he always had an ulterior motive.

Nope. The bible clearly said that Satan entered him just before he betrayed Christ. But then, he never had a pure heart in the first place.

huh!    now this guy understands wat i'm trying to present.

ya mang, sometimes u wish it could all b over sooner & all the pain & conflicts deep inside go away once u reach the other side of the Jordan 

It is different. Meeting in person is more effective for a number of reasons. For example, the information of body language (the non-verbal info from ie facial expression, tone of voice and etc). Another reason is small group gotta be same group of people and to be keep 'small'. Imagine each time meet up also different set of random people, how to build trust? Without trust, it is difficult to open up the deep things in our thoughts and heart/feeling. This is because naturally we all has a layer to protect ourselves (from being hurt). But when trust develops, this layer will be slowly become thinner.

Got other reason also la like to be kept P&C. Here sure not the channel to really confess sin lo. Men's sin you know.

Thanks for all the replies. May I ask what does the Holy Spirit mean?

Well, even the disciples did not know the real purpose of what Jesus was here for.
They saw Jesus as a future King that will liberate the Jews from Rome.

For example
35 Then James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to Him, saying, “Teacher, we want You to do for us whatever we ask.”

36 And He said to them, “What do you want Me to do for you?”

37 They said to Him, “Grant us that we may sit, one on Your right hand and the other on Your left, in Your glory.”

When Jesus was about to be crucified,
Mark 8
31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke this word openly. Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. 33 But when He had turned around and looked at His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, “Get behind Me, Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

Peter Rebuked him because he could not imagine that Jesus will end up this way. His assumption has always been that Jesus was supposed to come down as an actual King.

I do not think that at the time when Jesus was here, the disciples had the holy spirit in them because Jesus clearly said that He will send the comforter after He departs. The fact is that because Jesus was with them, he somehow took some of the role of the holy spirit. For example, he protected Peter from Satan.
Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail;

and the Holy Spirit is a gift for the believer/Christian who repented and baptized. Acts 2:38

Dont understand this.

i would thought that there is more problem with discipleship when one only acknowledges the saviour but not the Lord part.

Many Christians actually IMO are only interessted in being saved but not interested to forgo their flesh and carnal characteristics and follow the Lord
in obedience. In acknowledging the Lordship means obedience.

Thats the reason of the warning in Matthew 7:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Its obedience to His will that draws us into His kingdom.

i understand that.

What you point out about people not accepting Him as saviour is the problem of transformation.
i would rather say that not accepting Him as Lord is the problem to discipleship which is trnsformation.

You dont have to obey Him as saviour. Whereas Lordship demands obedience, which leads to transformation.

aiyo... when can i have abundance knowledge like both prophetzul & UW ?