I have a feeling that many Christians (including myself) worry that we've not done enough to be qualified before the end.

Ah, but I must remember what Uw and pehkay have taught before this. It's all God's work not our effort.

tl;dr
just joking. i think the salvation is really easy. just declare Jesus is our Lord and we are saved. but of course it has to come v action. (eg. u agree that fast food is not healthy. by doing the action [abstinence from eating fast food], u will not unhealthy.)

by declare Jesus is Lord also have to be coupler together v action which is do something u agreed v Him by being set free. free from worldly standard so u no longer afraid of being judge by other by doing those godly deeds.

it's just my thought.

my friend posted this to me, I guess i should post it here

I admit these are pretty hard for me to accept. Relationship is a very complicated stuff. There are so many situations where a divorce is the only answer. Why did Jesus give no specific details on what are permissible and what are not? How about abusive relationship and a christian suffers a lot just because she does not want to disobey Jesus? What is your view? I have look for years for answers..

I've come across this article

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karl-wilder/...ref=mostpopular
Of course promoting atheism again. But how to answer to people who had spiritual abuse?

Right. I also hope you will not be offended. I hate to see people given false hope and false teaching particlrly by those who profess as christians.

read this a small token for your education..

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. (Matthew 7:13-14, NIV)

I did not mention those who were saved were small in numbers. We are talking over thousands of years since adam and eve. How many souls were saved must be countless like sand.

No lah broo sonido... salvation IS EASY, but what to do after got salvation ISN'T EASY. what to do after salvation is called in philipians 2:12 as work on salvation. Doing Phil 2:12 is challenging. or in your word ... ISN'T EASY.

Suddenly we have that urge to do what is right all the time... suddenly we truly fear God... suddenly we hv the desires to pray constantly...

There are two ways which i am pretty sure are the only ways to salvation. Read the story of the prodigal son luke 13 something.. one through painful way and another through obedience.

The story stressed the emotions of the prodigal son when he returned to his father. He came a defeated man. A total loser. A deadwood. A piece of fkn shit..Someone who is about to die if not for God. I understand this very clear... I hope you do understand to...Do not leave this things out. God's love require certain conditions from us for it to work.

What i mean is 'self-denial'. As in Matthew 16: 24, Jesus said to his disciples,“Whoever wants to be my disciple must DENY THEMSELVES and take up their cross and follow me."

The prodigal son did not come to his father wanting to be saved. He denied himself the right of a son and he just wanted to be given a place amongst the worker and treated as a worker. This is very important ingredient of salvation which many sadly overlook for an easier way instead....

@UW and perve

Yeah, my church also teach that God suffers alongside us. Pray not for instant solution but strength to get through the situation.

Aduhai so hard to talk to these people though. Say we all brainwashed

The love of God is unconditional I agree completely.

However, I disagree when you say the prodigal son is faking it because if he is faking it he would have returned imediately to his father the moment a problem in his life sets in. He would not endured the suffering and the humiliation of working amongst pigs, to a point that he began to think of eating pigs food due to his hunger. He knew of his mistakes to his father, and he justified his return to his father must only be as a person seeking a job there, not as a son returning. This is what God wish to see in a person true heart; Justice, Honesty, Humility. Not faking it.

Second, following your belief that the prodigal son is faking it, a person may starts to think that faking his repentance, or that repentance can be repeated again and again and again, because God is always there with His everlasting unconditional love is dangerous.

Instead, we must revered Salvation. Salvation is not a cheap, easy-to-get, can get whenever and wherever we choose to mechanism for a christian to get away with most things, even sinning blatantly towards God. Because their idea is God is always forgiving right? No... Remember the sacrifice Jesus made is extremely invaluable, so we cannot just call his sacrifice easy and cheap.

Salvation is a one of situation, once in a lifetime chance. There is no second chance. To reject salvation after receiving it is to insult God, thus His Spirit thus whoever does this is sure to receive Hell.

Ya it is so easy that sometimes we fall into this legalism/performance-based mentality, if we do well spiritually, we feel more 'saved' but by right the mentality should be 'we are saved to do well spiritually'.

sometimes wonder whether is this gonna work ?? signing petition

hai guise, didnt know there's such tered here! God leads me here i guess haha amen.

guys any webby or list for nice songs such as (Here's My Heart - Passion)?

No I will train my heart not to get angry easily. Let's dicuss this with an open heart.

The unconditional love of God applies only to the right person who God selected for salvation. Not everyone.

John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day."

The person must have a certain mindset that separates him from the rest. This is what I mean by conditions,  all the pre-existing good things in the person's heart; Justice, Honesty, Kindness, Humility, etc. Although no one is perfect as Jesus was, but those with potentials and can get close to the image of Jesus will receive salvation whether he asked it or not. Because any other way will lead the person to death. So God will put the person on a journey that will enable him/her to see the truth in the end, by painful way or by easy way, and thus finally repent.

Lets look at David. Why amongst all the Israelites he was chosen? What did God say when He made the decision to choose David? Was it He chose David because David was the biggest, toughest, meanest, strongest man around? This alone debunks anything you say about God's love not having any condition in His selection.

By putting a condition (or restriction) in our mindset we can restrict ourselves from doing things excessively. There is a reason why God creates us with this ability. Do not overlook this.

It is not we who decide who can get saved, because we lack the ability to see through a person's heart. It is not our right to tell anyone that everybody can get the gift of salvation because we are not the one who dispenses the gift. It is God's right alone. Knowing that, what is our right to tell people that the gift is so free for all and easy to get?

Now, going back to the Prodigal Son..

The Bible is a guide for us, it is not for God, it should be aptly called The Way of Life for Human, author God. The whole point of this book is to guide a person to the correct way of life. Thus the main character in the Bible is us.

So, the focal story of the Prodigal Son is not about the Father, although it does show how limitless the fathers love is. Even the title of the story is aptly called The Prodigal Son, because he is the main character in the story. Not the father.

Finally lets compare between our beliefs which is more dangerous. This is based on the Prodigal Son who you admit is faking his repentance yet still forgiven by his father. I will admit first I am not 100% correct. I just don't want God to put the blame on me if I mistakenly deceived anyone.

Lets look at the worst case scenario...

If my belief is wrong, the worst is a person will turn his back on God out of ignorance. Afraid that the teaching is too harsh to handle. But ignorance can still be saved.

If your belief is wrong, the worst is a person who after receiving salvation, will think it is a-okay to keep sinning even though the truth about that sin has been revealed to him, this kind of sin is unpardonable to God. As Saul had commited, who received the salvation (selection), who knew the truth, yet continue to go against God's will.

“I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.” — Mark 3:28-29

Knowing the truth from the Spirit of God yet continue to mock Him by doing exactly what is forbidden, this is extremely dangerous.

Which makes me wonder Ignorance is Bliss. What we don't know God cannot held against us. It scares me knowing the truth...

amen

if you cannot understand then maybe you are not ready yet for the truth. so i wont argue anymore. but just remember what you teach people God will deal with that later.

the last question you said, i answer, yes i sin. i sin through my ignorance.

why is it always about work ?

who says me or anyone is working hard to gain salvation?

why is it so hard for you to understand? the in-born ability?

do you understand now?

it is in-born in our heart which we cannot change. for example i dislike stealing for no reason other than my heart say it. i do not use it to bargain for salvation. haiyaaa.... pls la pls understand..

now pls read the text below

1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

what did God say about a person heart? you tell me? is David working hard to show God he has an amazing heart so he can be chosen?

now you trully understand what i mean?

pls stop talking about work. is all work work work to you.

(do you know why i keep fighting you? because i wish to learn. somehow i find all these funny you know... we got disagreement on our understanding... small isssue really.. hope you don't mind. this is nothing for me. but first i want to thank you because in certain way you manage to show me the truth.)

Of course David or me and you are not pure. But amongst all that impurity in our heart there is a gem. which God wants to polish and make it shine.

And you are still wrong concerning David selection. When God selected David He provided Him with His Spirit which means David received Salvation at that moment.

Samuel 1:7
7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

Samuel 1:13
"So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon David. Samuel then went to Ramah."

This is concrete proof that God made a selection for salvation to a person based on the person's HEART. I cannot prove myself so I use the Bible as the sole source of my conviction. Your answer and your belief is what I have gone through before, I believed it before, it came from church teaching, but I am able to see (or God is the one who showed me) the whole picture rather than just a specific situation to realize the fatal flaws in that belief of yours that says all men including the evil ones are capable of receving salvation which you are still holding and teaching people.

You should know there are people God hates. If you need me to quotes them I will. Is this what you want to deny and says God loves everyone and God can provide salvation to everyone? for free and easy even? c'mon la...