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post Oct 18 2014, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Oct 18 2014, 08:42 PM)
cheh  rolleyes.gif ! even ppl who consult familiar spirits ( which is forbidden in the 1st place  Refer to 1st Samuel ) also can tell u all these personal info la
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If We believe in Our Lord Jesus Christ +
The prophet can tell our secret and +
what Our Christ wanna do with our live in regard to our secret +
Good atmosphere of GOD's presence (which is very subjective) +
There is a peace n rest in our spirit

... maybe after all it's okay....

Matthew 10:41
Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward.

2 Chronicles 20:20 (KJ21) | In Context | Whole Chapter

20 And they rose early in the morning and went forth into the Wilderness of Tekoa; and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, “Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem: Believe in the Lord your God; so shall ye be established. Believe His prophets; so shall ye prosper.”


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post Oct 18 2014, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Oct 18 2014, 10:37 PM)
Quite complicated. Can you breakdown one by one?
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a case study, simple one, do not overcomplicate this:

you are a student. today is saturday, monday exam, sunday you prepare to study after church.

saturday night, your fren ask you to replace her sunday for some ministry. It will take the whole day. confirm sunday you cannot study.

What will you do ?

You have to ask HS what is your portion. Either help her, or study for monday...

Still confused, here is the break down.

If HS ask you to help her and you sacrifice your study, you pickup your cross by sacrificing your study.
If HS ask you to study and you apologize your fren, you pickup your cross by obeying HS instead of following your impulses.

If HS ask you to help her but you decided to study for whatsoever reason, you are not picking up your cross.
If HS ask you to study and you decided to help her for whatsoever reason, you are not picking up your cross.

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post Oct 18 2014, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Oct 18 2014, 11:15 PM)
On paper sound easy. But we are human.

You and me, when this come to us, who knows? We may disappoint, like Peter say he will never leave Jesus, but when Jesus got arrested and Peter was learking outside the courtyard, he was asked by people if he was Jesus companion, he denied three times and then the chicken kokokokoko. Peter wept bitterly.

So if I tell you today I can do this and that, I am boasting. Because I wont know what will happen tommorow. Like Peter, the Holy Spirit also teach me myportion, but like Peter, I can be disobedient too. But from the lesson of Peter, I will not dare to say what i will do tommorow because I can fumble if I am proud.

So when tommorow comes, let us decide. And thats when the HS prompt us.
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So if I tell you today I can do this and that, I am boasting. Because I wont know what will happen tommorow


If you obey HS telling today cannot do this or do that, you are not boasting. You are obeying.

The devil will accuse you boasting, but GOD will protect you, because you are obeying. Under obedience comes protection from devil accusation.

GOD's will GOD's bill.


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post Oct 18 2014, 11:36 PM

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same also like this:
If you obey HS telling tomorrow do this or do that, you are not boasting. You are obeying.

remaining same as post 2468
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post Oct 19 2014, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Oct 18 2014, 10:54 PM)
Thats the thing. I saw one cg with 30 members. But every week only 10 come. And this cg is very odd. The leader don't believe in preaching that much, so during the cg, they play a lot of games. Like telematch and pop quiz mostly not related to scripture. Then prayer time, leader just ask for a list of prayer points, he writes it down on a piece of paper, then he emails them later at and ask everybody to pray. As a result, nobody at the cg ever practice how to pray aloud. There is even an unbeliever who often comes to the cg, but he doesn't pray and whenever the leader say some scripture, he will debate back. Of course he is most welcome to come, but its been 3 years since he attended the cg, he refused to accept Christ, still a practicing buddhist. When he got a girlfriend, he brought her to cg (she is also an unbeliever), the whole cg help them to organize their wedding. Then the leader ask one girl there to become assistant leader, she is not quite mature. She just went through a one month course, wallah she qualified. Then they budget for the cg to multiply within 1 year.

The cg is very big but most of them are just kalafei, they come like once a month, 6 months. Only about 14 are active.

Then came one crisis, the host decided to fatt hao at one of the cg members. The cg member, he felt harassed that the host lady kept on inviting him out for dinner. So he brought this up to the leader. The leader complain to his assistant leader. Then the leader tell the cg member to shut up and tell him he is just imaginating. But behind the scene, he get the assistant leader and her friends to bully the host. This made the host pissed off and decided to pull out being the host. As a result, the whole cg lost their home and had to go to mamak as another alternative place to hold cg.

Then some supporters of the cgmember also left the cg. But the cg still determine to multiply because its church policy. Do you think the assistant cg leader is capable of handling a new cg after her infraction?
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2 Timothy 2:1
You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.

As long as the assistant CG leader (ACGL) know how to:
1. Put Trust in GOD, Have Faith.
2. Operate in GOD's grace.
3. Know when to rest in GOD.

The ACGL needs to ... well said, simply change a lot of mindsets. Reprioritise things.

When bible say it's better for 1 day in YOUR court then 1000 days elsewhere, sure 1 day ACGL spend in HIS presence will resolve a lot of issues. Those issues that without GOD's help, may take up to 3 years.

This is a good opportunity for the ACGL to go to higher level. Well opportunity does not mean problem-free. Usually opportunity means hidden traps, unknown risk, behemoth issues, etc. But our Christ is alpha n omega correct ? icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Oct 19 2014, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Oct 19 2014, 09:09 PM)
would Jesus not speak directly to my Heart when i pray, but instead, require a 3rd party to reveal His Will for me?

b'cos, as far as prohesying goes, every once in a while, when God sends a Word to his congregation thorugh a church member during service ( yeah, sometimes its a lady, sometimes a man, depending on whom God chooses) its usually to encourage the Body of Christ as a whole.
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For me, i don't want to limit GOD. Inner voice, audible voice, third party. Everything oso boleh boleh. Everything is okay. But the issue is to test the spirit.

Bible clearly tells us to test the spirit, but bible didn't tell us how to test the spirit. CMIIW

Most of us thinking by study the bible you can test the spirit. more study better discernment. But i found out, better to stay 1 day in your court then 1000 days elsewhere. Therefore, to test the spirit is by asking the Holy Spirit himself....

so to answer ur question: Jesus can speak directly to your heart, but it's better not to limit HIM with only speaking directly to your heart. If you let GOD operates without limit, you will find an experience with GOD, that can benefit yourself and your community.

To know HIM it's better than to limit HIM.
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post Oct 20 2014, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Oct 20 2014, 05:13 AM)
bros and sis, need to ask a favor from you all.. my 2yr old daughter augustina lee need some cooperate prayer.

she suffer from very bad cough n alot flames accumulate in her lung n throats. until cannot sleep. 1 cough will wake up

pls pray for her
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This is my prayer for augustina lee
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In the name of Jesus, according to GOD's grace given to me; I rebuke:
- all disease, 
- all weaknesses,
- all coughing, phlegm, sputum,
- anything that does not planted by our Heavenly Father,
- anything that does not constitute perfect will of GOD for Augustina lee.
I rebuke in the Name of JESUS.
and I thanked GOD for by your stripes, Augustina is healed and by my faith I receive her healing.
In the name of JESUS i pray: Amen !
I have 2 t hings to share:
1. As her father, You need to declare Psalm 91 for your household.
2. it's okay to go to doctor. But oso okay use faith.... but if HS told u to go to doctor... don't stubborn laahhhh biggrin.gif ...


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post Oct 20 2014, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Oct 20 2014, 01:03 PM)
We are fallen human beings, we will make mistakes even if we have our portion. Even Peter made that great mistake of denying Jesus 3 times.

I can assure you, we will sin no matter how we want to listen and obey to God. And yes there is the HS as our counsellor. But as you know as human, we are not perfect, we will have tendency not to obey and occassional unintentionally sin.

Luke 22:31-32
31 "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat. 32 But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers."

Through Jesus interceeding, God knows that we will fall now and then but we will "turn back" and strengthen after every trial.
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That's why i wrote GOD's will GOD's bill.

meaning: If you fail or you sin, who is paying the collateral damage ? It's GOD. That's why i wrote GOD's bill.


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post Oct 20 2014, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Oct 20 2014, 01:48 PM)
so you believe prophet (messenger of God) still exist today?
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 20 2014, 01:50 PM)
If you infer based on what I have written.

Very unlikely.
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New Testament is time of Grace. People can intercede. But it does not mean prophetic voice is diminished. When people intercede then prophecy seems invalid, Oh well... is it good ? or bad ?

example (fictional case):
Someone prophecy that a bomb will explode in Subang. This prophet tells to many churches. After that, the Churches intercede and ask forgiveness for subang. One day, polis catch a syndicate with bomb in his car, parked in a basement of a large mall in subang. In short, no bomb exploded.

The bomb never exploded. The Prophecy never fulfilled. People think he is a false prophet because bomb never exploded.

When a people intercede, it does not means the prophecy is invalid.
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 20 2014, 02:52 PM)
If that was the case, then yes, i could probably trust this "prophecy" a little.

But most prophecies do not even come close to what you describe.
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prophet oso human lahh.. they oso afraid people lambast him... smile.gif
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 20 2014, 02:52 PM)
If that was the case, then yes, i could probably trust this "prophecy" a little.

But most prophecies do not even come close to what you describe.

Again, God would have told the person who prophecy that since the church interceeded, the bomb will not explode.

Simple.
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not really.

1. not all musician can play music well, not all prophet can translate message well enough.

Some prophet only gets "download" from heaven only images / dream. e.g. in this case he see car meletup (exploded). and second dream he saw only a mall but the mall is upside down (e.g. imagine refrigerator you put upside down)... so using tools called : English, unless the prophet is graphic artist or video producer, then the prophet simply put his dream in his paper. english.


2. Its common :
1. after people intercede
2. after the police caught the bad guy in above example.
then prophet got another message saying prophecy cancelled, GOD has heard their prayer.

Imagine, if there is another 100 bomb in subang ? that the devil planned to steal, kill, and destroy ? ... probably the prophet oso confused which prayer for which bomb ? rclxub.gif

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post Oct 20 2014, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 20 2014, 02:57 PM)
Nope. Prophets are not "human". They are the voice of God.
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I see... then my definition of prophet is different than you lah... it is fine because different church different background.

For me prophet is not like old testament prophet. It's a gift. A gift that can be cultivated to minister to himself, family and later maybe outside.


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sylar111 OOT about prophet, is there any information about prophet Elisha tomb ? Imagine if we bring our dead fren, somebody who has not received Christ...

Perhaps the miraculous raising up from dead could give them little time to slap on their face, receving Jesus as saviour, and they can go dead again thumbup.gif

2 Kings 13:21
Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man's body into Elisha's tomb. When the body touched Elisha's bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet.

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 20 2014, 04:27 PM)
Luke 16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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c'mon lah don't be so negative... not all bible verse should be kept literally
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 20 2014, 04:38 PM)
So bible verses should only be interpretated based on your thinking?
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People can accept your thinking as well, it's up to them.

But for me, i will not anybody dictates me how to interpret bible. I reserve rights under GOD's grace to select which teaching, which person that can speak to my life.


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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 20 2014, 04:53 PM)
Ok. Anything you wish. You are the "boss", not God.
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c'mon lah... i gave glory to GOD right... i know i sound arrogant but hey... nobody's perfect... a perfect excuse
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Oct 20 2014, 04:44 PM)
I do think that we don't need the dead to be alive for people to have faith in God and Jesus. I think our testimony (the changes after we become Christian) should give faith to unbelievers.

Actually, this is be pretty scary too as I try to imagine it and could be make me wonder this alive from dead person is it from God or from satan. biggrin.gif
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if you refer to walking dead series (link below) then scarry lahh...
http://screenrant.com/walking-dead-season-5-renewed-amc/

the movie 100% does not display GOD's mercy at all... pretty gruesome image of world without GOD's grace in picture... and yet people like it and the rating is high... why people like movie like that oso dunno ?

ah back to ur concern whether the person back from dead is from GOD or not, perhaps the best answer is just to give it time. You know, like when we are doing business partner / looking for wife / husband, we just let time to do the test, and we see after a while, how is his / her character / response and everything in genera... give GOD glory or not.


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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 20 2014, 05:07 PM)
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
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believe and give glory different lah... i give glory to GOD, devil... i don't think so... but sure enough. both me and the devil believe there is one GOD.
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sylar111 at the end sure i will fail your test or requrement lah sylar111... you are so Paul. your caregroup leader model is Paul.

My criteria, I need Barnabas and his coworker (i forgot). I am more on people and family things lah sylar111... i am not ministry man like Paul. My family first... ministry ? 999999999th priority


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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 20 2014, 05:50 PM)
1 Corinthians 3
4 For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?

5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.

Hmm.
How come all of what you say contradict the bible one.

Are you a "bible contradictor"?
Are we reading the same bible?
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GOD's will GOD's bill lah bro... there is james 1:8 saying double minded people don't get anything.

for many reason:
HS told me not to be like Paul, but be like Barnabas.
HS told me to respect man of GOD name Paul.
HS simply told me it's not good to desert Mark and develop argumentation such as between Paul and Barnabas. In my ministry, try not to desert anyone. Now this is personal message to me okay...

So when you nail me with 1 Cor 3:4 ? It's GOD's bill lah... GOD will protect me from your questions.

That's why, i choose who can speak to my life, or else susah pulak... sikit2x salah... little mistake people questions.

I am not afraid cuz sure tomorrow you can find some mistake in me. And my excuse always same... GOD's will GOD's bill. Sure you ask with another bible verse... I will park those collateral damage under GOD's bill...

How come so easy ? I operate under GOD's grace ma.... so easy... yet powerful...

Wanna correct me ? i give you suggestion. Pray to JESUS to correct me. Last time i did that to one of the user here, cuz I just don't like his message thumbup.gif

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i refer to article below about Paul and Barnabas.
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/8...nd-barnabas-the




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