That's good perspective. Thanks, i need that. Me too struggle with envy at times when i think about it.

God is for prospering everyone. (Jeremiah 29:11, Psalm 35:27)
Including you.

The Principal is this. Don't set our heart on it.
Seek First his Kingdom, you know the drill.

We should be joyfully content knowing that God knows our needs.
When our heart is at rest, knowing that God loves us, money will be the least of all our concerns.

Satan likes this.

If no one from the Christian circle discerns and judges what each 'Christian' teacher teaches imagine what will happen?

Let's not get into prosperity teachings again......ask the people of Smryna

Why should ask people of Smryna ? they all dead already. not exist today. Need to be relevant lahh... The idea is simple: Anything that not with Christ is against Christ.

what's Smryna ?

ok, look here, after the concert end sales of CD's or dvds of israel haughton begin so with T-shirts sales.........

and hey look at the concert coming next year by planet shakers their workshop including priority seating for night rally concert is is costing about 80 MYR it is understandable coz you are provided with 1 lunch meal set and workbook which is fair also the speaker fees

but generally speaking any concert held at grace convention is expensive.........they are raking money already here why can't you lower down the tickets price so more people can join?

and also you need to pay parking in their parking area as well it's not cheap either

You are right. Anything that is not with Christ is against Christ.

Christ commended the poor of the church in Smryna

8 "To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again. 9 I know your afflictions and your poverty--yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life. 11 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.

Is Christ dead that you should not listen?

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Sep 4 2014, 09:44 PM

It seems: Its all about the money, money, money..............

Christ is not dead, but you should not mislead Christian here with your theology... Because i can complain you to Jesus Christ, who is not dead.

I believe HE will give more favor to people that put malaysia for Jesus first, compare to other theology.

Without theology, how would you know Jesus?

Eternal life is knowing Him.

There is no misleading. Are you saying that the commendation that Jesus gave to the church in Smryna is useless as scripture?

Doesnt matter what you believe. Without theology, your faith is based on sinking sand

what's argument here? About Jesus is dead or alive? About theology?

What about using the scripture instead?

Exactly.....scripture........but some Christians are not keen on having theology.

Theology is the study of God through the use of scriptures.

Its really about UW's statement that God wants us to be prosperous. i sad nay. look at the poor church of Smryna. God commended them in their poverty.

You cannot prove the Bible by quoting the Bible. It's called circular reasoning.

First all, we are not proving the bible. We are using to the bible to guide us.

Next, the bible is not a single book. Its made up of at least 66 writings written by different writers in different time periods at different locations pointing/prophesising to a common messiah who will come through the nation of Israel

"To avoid the seduction that is at the heart of apostasy, we must be able to distinguish the voice of Christ through His word from the confusing mixture of truth and error that is spoken in His name,"

"Those who would escape the growing seduction must get back to the Bible and know what they believe and why, rather than succumbing to the temptation of accepting facile answers provided by 'experts,'"

- Dave Hunt

Keep hurting body of Christ and confirm Christ will not be happy. Don't damage yourself. Repent !

Guys lets cool down.

Yeah, discuss until clear and correct

Well,

Smyrna refers (in Revelation) to the an actual suffering church in Asia minor, which at that time, under the suffering of persecution (2:8-11). The word Smyrna in Greek means “myrrh,” and myrrh in figure signifies suffering.

This church prophetically represents the second stage of the course of the church from the latter part of the first century to the time that Constantine became emperor. History tells us that during this period the Roman Empire persecuted the church.

Fox’s Book of Martyrs contains many stories of their suffering under persecution. One account is the story of Polycarp, an elderly brother. When arrested by the authorities and urged to renounce Christ, he answered, “Eighty and six years have I served Him, and He never once wronged me; how then shall I blaspheme my King, who has saved me?” The persecution by the Roman Empire reached such an extent that the authority of the city of Rome asked the Caesar not to kill any more Christians lest all the citizens of that city be cut off. By this he meant that the more they killed the Christians, the more others were becoming Christians.

Thanks Peh Kay. Seldom hear this word including Foxe's Book of Martyrs.