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 Old Folk/Nursing Home or Private Nurse at home?, How to take care of parents/grandparents

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post Apr 18 2014, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(HomeNurseServices @ Apr 18 2014, 02:39 PM)
Depending on how many children?
Divide that amount between 3 children, that's RM660.

But, understandably, some might not be able to cover that. Even so, imagine now from the nurse's point of view.
RM1980 is what she will be earning in a month.

It's definitely out of the question for me to ask the nurse to take lesser than that.

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I definitely agree with the rate.
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post Apr 18 2014, 02:47 PM

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You guys think home nursing too expensive and the nurses gettin more than what they deserve?
Well why dont those crying new grads with a degree who keep asking for rm20k pay try this and come back and tell us your working experience then.
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Oh yeah, to add on, I have come across so many others who do appreciate and care for their parents. And some of them just split the payment between siblings.

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post Apr 18 2014, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(HomeNurseServices @ Apr 18 2014, 01:57 PM)
I received a call from this lady a few days ago. She wanted to know how much will it cost to hire a private nurse. So I give her the usual rates, RM90/8 hours etc etc.

She asks me a lot of questions in regards to the nurses and process of hiring. I provide necessary information and I ask her for the patient's details.
She says that she will get back to me after checking with other family members.

Yesterday I received a Whatsapp message saying that they have decided to send their mother to an Old Folks Home.  sad.gif
I was really speechless.

Because I always thought that if anyone resorts to sending their parents away, it is because they did not know that they have the option to keep the parents at home and hire nurse to come to the house instead.

Everyone is busy working, I understand that. But I am working too. And despite that, I can never imagine sending my mother to a nursing home away from her family. Like what the hell?
You can spend the same amount, in fact lesser amount to keep your mother at home with her family but you want to send her to a nursing home??  vmad.gif

I really felt sorry for the poor old lady who had no say whatsoever in her own life.
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fren it is not easy...if i am old and senile, i would want my kids to send me to a home..instead of burdening them. of course a good home lah.

people who gone senile, they sit there like zombies, stop talking...they stop recognising you, they don't even know if they accidentaly pangsai...they have to be mouth fed...bathed, clothed, change dipers...

its sad truth but it is really hard work for the caregiver family. i know some people had to quit their jobs to take care of their parents full time. but usually these people are singles who don't have family. what about those with job and families?


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post Apr 18 2014, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Apr 18 2014, 02:45 PM)
Someone open a thread few days ago complaining home nursing service is very expensive/blood suck/hiding on so call humanity to gain profits bla.. Bla.. Bla... Left her no option than to send her mom to old folk home.
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I feel sorry for her, but really can't ask nurse to take lesser than that.

RM1980, for the nurse, minus transportation cost etc, it's just difficult la.

Before settling on this rate, I did a survey of other private nurse providers. The ones with the fancy logo and big buildings.
Those cost a BOMB!

Obviously to pay for maintenance and other miscellaneous expenses. But not worth it.
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post Apr 18 2014, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(Dharma123 @ Apr 18 2014, 02:48 PM)
fren it is not easy...if i am old and senile, i would want my kids to send me to a home..instead of burdening them. of course a good home lah.

people who gone senile, they sit there like zombies, stop talking...they stop recognising you, they don't even know if they accidentaly pangsai...they have to be mouth fed...bathed, clothed, change dipers...

its sad truth but it is really hard work for the caregiver family. i know some people had to quit their jobs to take care of their parents full time. but usually these people are singles who don't have family. what about those with job and families?
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Which is why you can pay the same amount and keep your parents at home! If you are working, someone else will be there to care for your parents.
In fact, when you hire someone to your house, you can even keep an eye on how they are taking care of your parents.

In a home, if one messed-up staff is force feeding your dad because he is eating too slowly, who is going to stop that f'd up person?
Do they even have enough staff to care for everyone?
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post Apr 18 2014, 03:15 PM

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About 15 years ago, I had an uncle who suffered from Parkinson's. I was in school then and after I came home in the afternoon, it would be my 'job' to help him take his walks, and do some light exercise.

The adults are all mostly away working but everything else is usually taken care of.

He was mildly senile, always had been. He was a bachelor as well, so no family of his own.
We were all he had.

Soon he started to fall over too often. Had trouble in the toilet. We had no maids back then, just a daily help that would come in for a few hours every day.

Anyways, we sent uncle for check up one day and the doctor recommended this nursing home in PJ. Cost a bomb, but there was no other alternatives (or so we thought). If previously everyone could only see my uncle after work when they came home, now they can't see my uncle at all because PJ was too far and it was always too late.

I didn't see him for a long time because no one could bring me all the way to PJ.

Anyways, they (the adults) soon noticed that there was a scratch wound on my uncle's legs and the wounds kept getting worse. Staff there mentioned some cream. So the cream was bought and supposedly applied everyday by the staff in charge.

A few years after being admitted to the nursing home, my uncle passed away, alone in his cubicle.

I don't even remember exactly how long. was sort of young.

Point is, my uncle was quite difficult to take care of. But he was still my uncle and I missed him.
And I am sure that if my family knew about the service that I just came across a few months ago, they would have opted for that instead. The staff in that center were polite etc to us. but how do we know how he was treated without us there?
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post Apr 18 2014, 03:16 PM

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u run an agency or u alone provide d service?
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post Apr 18 2014, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(HomeNurseServices @ Apr 18 2014, 01:57 PM)
I received a call from this lady a few days ago. She wanted to know how much will it cost to hire a private nurse. So I give her the usual rates, RM90/8 hours etc etc.

She asks me a lot of questions in regards to the nurses and process of hiring. I provide necessary information and I ask her for the patient's details.
She says that she will get back to me after checking with other family members.

Yesterday I received a Whatsapp message saying that they have decided to send their mother to an Old Folks Home.  sad.gif
I was really speechless.

Because I always thought that if anyone resorts to sending their parents away, it is because they did not know that they have the option to keep the parents at home and hire nurse to come to the house instead.

Everyone is busy working, I understand that. But I am working too. And despite that, I can never imagine sending my mother to a nursing home away from her family. Like what the hell?
You can spend the same amount, in fact lesser amount to keep your mother at home with her family but you want to send her to a nursing home??  vmad.gif

I really felt sorry for the poor old lady who had no say whatsoever in her own life.
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old folks home and nursing home are two different things.
are you a registered nurse?
do you have all the necessary equipment like oxygen tank, phlegm suction machine, heart rate monitor?
can you dispense medical drugs?

the way you advertised, i would not use you
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post Apr 18 2014, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(HomeNurseServices @ Apr 18 2014, 02:58 PM)
Which is why you can pay the same amount and keep your parents at home! If you are working, someone else will be there to care for your parents.
In fact, when you hire someone to your house, you can even keep an eye on how they are taking care of your parents.

In a home, if one messed-up staff is force feeding your dad because he is eating too slowly, who is going to stop that f'd up person?
Do they even have enough staff to care for everyone?
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yu sure or not?

private nurse cheaper than nursing home?

if i can afford sure la..but problem is i can't afford.
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post Apr 18 2014, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(itanium @ Apr 18 2014, 02:43 PM)
RM90 for 8 hours is decent what.
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QUOTE(HomeNurseServices @ Apr 18 2014, 02:54 PM)
I feel sorry for her, but really can't ask nurse to take lesser than that.

RM1980, for the nurse, minus transportation cost etc, it's just difficult la.

Before settling on this rate, I did a survey of other private nurse providers. The ones with the fancy logo and big buildings.
Those cost a BOMB!

Obviously to pay for maintenance and other miscellaneous expenses. But not worth it.
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RM90/day for a qualified nurse to do something that even no children willing to do like clean up stools, etc is a good rate imho. In case of emergency the parent is in safer hands.

However I feel that the children might think it is easier to send the parent to the nursing home for a few reasons:
- nursing home supposedly has all the facilities
- parent can interact with other people
- the children no need trouble themselves looking after the parent after the nurse has gone back
- cost is cheaper/comparable with private nurse, minus the trouble.

Well different family different strokes.
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post Apr 18 2014, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(jovyn @ Apr 18 2014, 03:16 PM)
u run an agency or u alone provide d service?
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Nope, I do not run a agency and I don't provide any service myself.
My mother had a bad fall last year and I had work. I had to take unpaid emergency leaves because my company does not allow you to take AL that are not applied for and approved. So I stayed home and helped my mom. Meanwhile I also did some research online and across this one caregiver who could come in daily to help my mother.
So I hired here, stayed home for a few more days so that I can keep an eye on her work.

And after I went back to work, as I finish work in the afternoon, I could still come home and rest while the caregiver took are of everything.

However after my mother recovered and did not need her help anymore, we still kept in touch with the caregiver. And the caregiver had trouble advertising her services. Which is when I decided to help her out and in that process, discovered many more others like her.


QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 18 2014, 03:17 PM)
old folks home and nursing home are two different things.
are you a registered nurse?
do you have all the necessary equipment like oxygen tank, phlegm suction machine, heart rate monitor?
can you dispense medical drugs?

the way you advertised, i would not use you
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You are right. A nursing home should have those facilities. But this is not a nursing home. In fact, this is no home at all.
You provide the home and I find you the nurse.
I am not registered. The nurse that I provide is registered and has the documents as well.

My services are purely for those who only want nurses/caregivers.

Equipments have to be provided. And IS usually provided.
For those who could not provide equipment, my nurses usually follow their patients to the hospital to obtain the treatment.

Live and let live, my friend.
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post Apr 18 2014, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(HomeNurseServices @ Apr 18 2014, 02:15 PM)
If only it was just that. But I assure you, the situation is very real.
I had no clue on what to reply to the lady who sent that Whatsapp.

Hours later, I replied that I understand that it must have been a difficult decision to make and hopefully things turn out well for her and her family.
(lady, if you're reading this, no offence!)
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If u want to advertise ur service in the future, consider this story of urs as the ad. Good material, don't waste it. Jot it down in detail. Who knows someday u might need it.
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the caregiver is local?
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QUOTE(shin_daria @ Apr 18 2014, 02:03 PM)
obvious promotion to your services aside...i think you have a point.
sending them to old folks home might be easy, but it also creates stress in the parents. they will feel abandoned, loss of hope, and just stay idle waiting for death. yes of course the children will come by but inbetween that visits he/she will feel lonely. better just have hired helper/nurse in house. even if you're busy working at least you know she's near.
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This is what I was brought up with. My parents got maid to look after grandparents. Luckly, my parents were doctors so no need nurse rclxms.gif

but when its our turn non of my brother/sister are doctors, including me hmm.gif Now my parents still able to live without help but later in 20 years maybe cannot walk like my grandfather then how hmm.gif The reason is because my parents seem to shun the idea of going to nurisng home which is why my grandparens stayed with my parents.

I have seen one of the rumah orang tua, the place looks very depressing. Old, looks like a dorm/prison for old people. Stay at children's house atleast can get to see grandchildren

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QUOTE(HomeNurseServices @ Apr 18 2014, 01:57 PM)
I received a call from this lady a few days ago. She wanted to know how much will it cost to hire a private nurse. So I give her the usual rates, RM90/8 hours etc etc.

She asks me a lot of questions in regards to the nurses and process of hiring. I provide necessary information and I ask her for the patient's details.
She says that she will get back to me after checking with other family members.

Yesterday I received a Whatsapp message saying that they have decided to send their mother to an Old Folks Home.  sad.gif
I was really speechless.

Because I always thought that if anyone resorts to sending their parents away, it is because they did not know that they have the option to keep the parents at home and hire nurse to come to the house instead.

Everyone is busy working, I understand that. But I am working too. And despite that, I can never imagine sending my mother to a nursing home away from her family. Like what the hell?
You can spend the same amount, in fact lesser amount to keep your mother at home with her family but you want to send her to a nursing home??  vmad.gif

I really felt sorry for the poor old lady who had no say whatsoever in her own life.
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not sure OP is being legit but I can feel this is a free loader trying to promote her/his services.
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post Apr 18 2014, 06:14 PM

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my family hire an Vietnam maid to take care of old and not so healthy father.

talk to the maid agent if they can help. no easy to maid who are willing and responsible to take care of old man.
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QUOTE(Pistacio @ Apr 18 2014, 06:00 PM)
the caregiver is local?
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