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post May 9 2014, 09:34 PM

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Hi everyone, just few question regarding tax clearance for foreign worker,

1. Previously i worked in Singapore 4 years ago, and i have been tax by IRAS for around 5xx SGD, and if i return Singapore to work, will I able to get back the tax? I hear some rumour said can be refund.

2. If i working in Singapore now, and i decide to resign and join another company in Singapore, am i subjected to tax clearance? (work more than 60 days and less than 183 days).

Thanks
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post May 9 2014, 09:36 PM

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Hello guys, i have some questions that i need to ask from the sifu-sifu here.

I got a job offer from company A and it is going to apply for a pass for me soon once i am done with all the paperwork. Company B has just contacted me for a final round interview next week (and i think i will pass this final interview). My question is, if i decide to join company B, can i ask company A to revoke my pass application? Will the switching reflect anything bad in the Manpower records of me and make my pass application harder to get approved?

I am a fresh graduate from an overseas university with no working experience. Company A offers me SGD3000/month with no other extra allowances. How good is this offer?

Thank you very much for your help smile.gif
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post May 10 2014, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(Mareg @ May 9 2014, 07:43 PM)
Err...which industry you're from? I think jobs are a lot and you just have to try harder and maybe expect to take in something might be lower than your expectation, to gain experience and build your profile first since you're fresh.

The so called network and contact might not be very helpful sometimes, what they do is just reference your resume to hiring manager. Still low possibility to promise a job if there is nothing outstanding in your resume. Unless you have a very very good academic record that can beat local.
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business/mgmt/consulting/finance/risk mix

i can assure you jobs are not a lot. across 3 countries. i know this because

1) I talk to people within the industry, including HoDs, directors and VPs, who make the hiring requests and decisions. Not only that, these guys are high up and the industry is relatively small, so they know everyone everywhere, and can tell me if others are hiring or not - if i bring up names of companies i am interviewing with, they automatically know the specific person i'm meeting

2) I talk to HR, which gets handed all hiring requests in those companies where HR maintains a good relationship with the higher level/decision makers. In many cases however, this is not so effective because in this industry the higher levels will participate in the interview process in the first or second round itself, only sometimes using the HR to filter and narrow down candidates... second/final or third round would be CEO/CFO or Partner already

3) I search extensively. A minor but still significant proportion of these positions are advertised on companies' websites directly or via external ads. It's an indication of market demand.

Try harder means putting aside/managing my studies, spending hours travelling into big cities every other week, arranging meetings with important people, and sending in applications or enquiries by the thousands.

You don't often get to the "expectations" stage and I have not once been told to lower my expectations (except to maybe look for an operations or less relevant type of job) because salary/benefits is a given (I can't or don't need to ask for a lot and they have the resources to not need to compromise)

It's clear to me that contacts and networks are increasingly important. A local can get through those grad programs, and even still it's a few hundred or thousand applications cut down to a handful, or 1, position available. What more an international student.

It's down to luck, and then networks. My grades are already great (not #1 in the class, but well above top 10% or 15%) but if you are a local then an average/just above average grade might be good enough if you're lucky. Resume wise already pretty good, not exceptional but well above average.
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QUOTE(Carl Johnson @ May 9 2014, 02:41 PM)
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IT related job, location in AMK, I guess u know the company as well biggrin.gif
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post May 10 2014, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(dD_se7en @ May 9 2014, 09:34 PM)
Hi everyone, just few question regarding tax clearance for foreign worker,

1. Previously i worked in Singapore 4 years ago, and i have been tax by IRAS for around 5xx SGD, and if i return Singapore to work, will I able to get back the tax? I hear some rumour said can be refund.

2. If i working in Singapore now, and i decide to resign and join another company in Singapore, am i subjected to tax clearance? (work more than 60 days and less than 183 days).

Thanks
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For Q1 p, i oso curious, but tax is based on yearly basic. Can u get refund if last time (few years ago) u were tax higher?

I have tried changing 3 company within a year. First 2 all charge me sky high tax rate but managed to refund back, but thats within same year.

Dun ask me how, i oso forgot the whole process. It was 3 years ago.




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post May 10 2014, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(s.azuan @ May 10 2014, 12:36 PM)
IT related job, location in AMK, I guess u know the company as well  biggrin.gif
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post May 10 2014, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ May 10 2014, 12:27 PM)
business/mgmt/consulting/finance/risk mix

i can assure you jobs are not a lot. across 3 countries. i know this because

1) I talk to people within the industry, including HoDs, directors and VPs, who make the hiring requests and decisions. Not only that, these guys are high up and the industry is relatively small, so they know everyone everywhere, and can tell me if others are hiring or not - if i bring up names of companies i am interviewing with, they automatically know the specific person i'm meeting

2) I talk to HR, which gets handed all hiring requests in those companies where HR maintains a good relationship with the higher level/decision makers. In many cases however, this is not so effective because in this industry the higher levels will participate in the interview process in the first or second round itself, only sometimes using the HR to filter and narrow down candidates... second/final or third round would be CEO/CFO or Partner already

3) I search extensively. A minor but still significant proportion of these positions are advertised on companies' websites directly or via external ads. It's an indication of market demand.

Try harder means putting aside/managing my studies, spending hours travelling into big cities every other week, arranging meetings with important people, and sending in applications or enquiries by the thousands.

You don't often get to the "expectations" stage and I have not once been told to lower my expectations (except to maybe look for an operations or less relevant type of job) because salary/benefits is a given (I can't or don't need to ask for a lot and they have the resources to not need to compromise)

It's clear to me that contacts and networks are increasingly important. A local can get through those grad programs, and even still it's a few hundred or thousand applications cut down to a handful, or 1, position available. What more an international student.

It's down to luck, and then networks. My grades are already great (not #1 in the class, but well above top 10% or 15%) but if you are a local then an average/just above average grade might be good enough if you're lucky. Resume wise already pretty good, not exceptional but well above average.
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Your field is very broad, and the 3 countries in those field very few jobs? Oh no all go into recession?
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post May 11 2014, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(cherryl9 @ May 9 2014, 09:36 PM)
Hello guys, i have some questions that i need to ask from the sifu-sifu here.

I got a job offer from company A and it is going to apply for a pass for me soon once i am done with all the paperwork. Company B has just contacted me for a final round interview next week (and i think i will pass this final interview). My question is, if i decide to join company B, can i ask company A to revoke my pass application? Will the switching reflect anything bad in the Manpower records of me and make my pass application harder to get approved?

I am a fresh graduate from an overseas university with no working experience.  Company A offers me SGD3000/month with no other extra allowances. How good is this offer?

Thank you very much for your help smile.gif
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SGD3000/month,

Why never ask uncle google?

http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/post-secon...les/ges-nus.pdf

http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/post-secon...les/ges-ntu.pdf

http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/post-secon...les/ges-smu.pdf

It is reasonable lah. Most employers in SG think local u > overseas u. Unless oxbridge/ivy league/or some US/UK top 25 schools. If you're from those schools then clearly they're underpaying you.
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post May 11 2014, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ May 10 2014, 11:12 PM)
Your field is very broad, and the 3 countries in those field very few jobs? Oh no all go into recession?
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Just keep on trying lor. The competition is very stiff. Tons of local grads with good grades (excellent CCA, ang moh countries exposure somemore).

Even fresh ang mohs grads from US/UK are looking to get a job in SG. So.... might not be a bad idea to start from Msia first?
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4000SGD vs Current 6000MYR

Which will you go for?
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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ May 10 2014, 11:12 PM)
Your field is very broad, and the 3 countries in those field very few jobs? Oh no all go into recession?
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my field is not broad at all, if you believe the general perception

I know that what I've studied is very broad, deep, and has wide applications. But the type of job I am looking for is not broad until you have reached a very senior level with a lot of experience - and even at that stage it depends on how your career evolved as you might have been very specialised or the opposite

my field is not just "Business". and I'm not sure I can call any field my field until I can find and hold down a job.

One example. if you study investments, you can be more than a research analyst, a fund manager, a salesperson, or a banker. those are fairly good jobs, but you can always be a teacher, a businessman, an accountant, an entrepreneur. But if you're finishing school and looking for a corporate type of job as a starting point (maybe now you don't have good business ideas or networks, insufficient capital, or the market or environment is not ready) then there simply isn't enough work in the market for an investments graduate who would rather utilise what little training and skills he has developed than compromise and take an unrelated job.

none of the countries I have explored extensively are in recession. you don't need to be in recession for the job market to be tough. the United States is out of recession, yet the job market is tough as ever.


QUOTE(icycokes @ May 11 2014, 12:23 AM)
Just keep on trying lor. The competition is very stiff. Tons of local grads with good grades (excellent CCA, ang moh countries exposure somemore).

Even fresh ang mohs grads from US/UK are looking to get a job in SG. So.... might not be a bad idea to start from Msia first?
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believe me, I have been trying in Msia too. one would be far too shortsighted to limit themselves to 1 or 2 places in this environment.

there's not very strong demand in Msia either, but it's definitely not as competitive. unless it's with an elite US company looking for the best graduate for their program (perhaps 1 hire in 3 years or so) then most of the time you only need 1 or 2 interviews, with HR and the line manager. I believe in most cases you won't have to pass an interview with the CEO or CFO to get hired. This is not the case elsewhere, the first round itself might involve a senior HoD or VP or director, otherwise it will be a seasoned HR manager or team leader/manager (not easy), and eventually you progress to the CEO, deputy CEO, CFO, Partner etc.
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QUOTE(krajoksai @ May 11 2014, 09:48 AM)
4000SGD vs Current 6000MYR

Which will you go for?
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What else is in the picture? Clearly based on money alone, SGD4000 seems much more lucrative then 6000MYR!
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Just a quick question regarding obtaining an E Pass:

I am Malaysian, recently graduated from a private university (accounting). If I have an offer for SGD3,200, will I be able to qualify for an E Pass?

I understand that the salary requirement for an E Pass has been raised to SGD3,300. Is this strictly enforced? I took a self assessment on Singapore's MoM website and it says I am likely to qualify for both an E Pass and an S Pass. Not sure why this appears to contradict its policies...

In any case, either pass will be sufficient right?
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QUOTE(eclipsed @ May 11 2014, 08:57 PM)
Just a quick question regarding obtaining an E Pass:

I am Malaysian, recently graduated from a private university (accounting). If I have an offer for SGD3,200, will I be able to qualify for an E Pass?

I understand that the salary requirement for an E Pass has been raised to SGD3,300. Is this strictly enforced? I took a self assessment on Singapore's MoM website and it says I am likely to qualify for both an E Pass and an S Pass. Not sure why this appears to contradict its policies...

In any case, either pass will be sufficient right?
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3200sgd for fresh grad in acc is notworthy.gif

dont worry much about pass , as i have few friends doing audit in small and medium firms , i believe their salary is much lower than yours still able to work there.




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QUOTE(krajoksai @ May 11 2014, 09:48 AM)
4000SGD vs Current 6000MYR
QUOTE(studyboy @ May 11 2014, 07:21 PM)
What else is in the picture? Clearly based on money alone, SGD4000 seems much more lucrative then 6000MYR!
SGD4000 is a lot less lucrative than MYR6000, assuming you earn and spend locally. Obviously it's a different story if you work in SG stay in JB, that kind of thing.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ May 11 2014, 09:51 PM)
SGD4000 is a lot less lucrative than MYR6000, assuming you earn and spend locally. Obviously it's a different story if you work in SG stay in JB, that kind of thing.
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seems easier to earn SGD 4k than MYR 6k... MYR 6k you're likely to be in a higher up position or have more experience, maybe benefits too... SGD 4k is not far from starting... varies by industry I guess, both MY and SG have pressure on graduate salaries and they are kept low if you observe market trends
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QUOTE(LightningFist @ May 11 2014, 03:13 PM)
my field is not broad at all, if you believe the general perception

I know that what I've studied is very broad, deep, and has wide applications. But the type of job I am looking for is not broad until you have reached a very senior level with a lot of experience - and even at that stage it depends on how your career evolved as you might have been very specialised or the opposite

my field is not just "Business". and I'm not sure I can call any field my field until I can find and hold down a job.

One example. if you study investments, you can be more than a research analyst, a fund manager, a salesperson, or a banker. those are fairly good jobs, but you can always be a teacher, a businessman, an accountant, an entrepreneur. But if you're finishing school and looking for a corporate type of job as a starting point (maybe now you don't have good business ideas or networks, insufficient capital, or the market or environment is not ready) then there simply isn't enough work in the market for an investments graduate who would rather utilise what little training and skills he has developed than compromise and take an unrelated job.

none of the countries I have explored extensively are in recession. you don't need to be in recession for the job market to be tough. the United States is out of recession, yet the job market is tough as ever.
believe me, I have been trying in Msia too. one would be far too shortsighted to limit themselves to 1 or 2 places in this environment.
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Broad and deep is opposite of each other, your degree 4 years only right? Can't really go deep for everything in a broad field. You mentioned this "business/mgmt/consulting/finance/risk mix". I spent 4 years in college I only get a general understanding on how to be an admin. You can do business, management, finance, risk and go deep... Mmm no offence but if you tell your interviewer this, they will think you like the frog, know a little thought know the whole world already. Jack of all trades, master of none.

Anyway, good luck in job searching. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ May 11 2014, 10:39 PM)
Broad and deep is opposite of each other, your degree 4 years only right? Can't really go deep for everything in a broad field. You mentioned this "business/mgmt/consulting/finance/risk mix". I spent 4 years in college I only get a general understanding on how to be an admin. You can do business, management, finance, risk and go deep... Mmm no offence but if you tell your interviewer this, they will think you like the frog, know a little thought know the whole world already. Jack of all trades, master of none.

Anyway, good luck in job searching. icon_rolleyes.gif
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3 years... obviously it is not deep in every single subject, topic, and area. it is broad in the sense that it is multi-disciplinary, going into the fundamentals of many related but separate subjects. then it is very deep in the 2 or 3 areas you major/specialise in.

the difference... there are a lot of 3 year or 4 year degrees. sounds like too short a period for you to go deep? consider the schedules of medical students. even in a 5 year medical degree (vs a 5 year Law + Arts degree) their hours are much more than other students per week, they have far less holidays (so even more hours), and the objects of their study are far more intense than Marketing or Management.

not all subjects were created equal. studying a week of hematology is surely harder than a month of management for the average person. just like first year mathematics is harder than third year finance.

along those lines... what I study exists within business but is not business admin or management. it combines different subjects and fields into one. its standards require you to go deep in many of these sub-components. my interviewer is either intimately familiar with this because he/she studied the same way back when, or at least understands it because he/she works alongside people with that kind of background and is responsible for recruiting at a very competitive level.
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post May 11 2014, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(icycokes @ May 11 2014, 12:17 AM)
SGD3000/month,

Why never ask uncle google?

http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/post-secon...les/ges-nus.pdf

http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/post-secon...les/ges-ntu.pdf

http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/post-secon...les/ges-smu.pdf

It is reasonable lah. Most employers in SG think local u > overseas u. Unless oxbridge/ivy league/or some US/UK top 25 schools. If you're from those schools then clearly they're underpaying you.
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Thank you for your reply. I am still confused about the pass application. If i let company A to apply a working pass for me first and then is it possible to ask them to revoke my application if company B decides to take me in?
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QUOTE(eclipsed @ May 11 2014, 08:57 PM)
Just a quick question regarding obtaining an E Pass:

I am Malaysian, recently graduated from a private university (accounting). If I have an offer for SGD3,200, will I be able to qualify for an E Pass?

I understand that the salary requirement for an E Pass has been raised to SGD3,300. Is this strictly enforced? I took a self assessment on Singapore's MoM website and it says I am likely to qualify for both an E Pass and an S Pass. Not sure why this appears to contradict its policies...

In any case, either pass will be sufficient right?
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Congratulations on your job offer! rclxms.gif . If you don't mind me asking, do you have a word of advice to Malaysian graduates who are seeking jobs in Singapore, especially on what makes you standout from the pool of graduates (including Singaporeans)?

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