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> So difficult making rm200 a day meh?

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AttilaTheHun
post Jul 20 2017, 10:39 AM

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Mate. You're barking up the wrong tree. The businesses you proposed can easily make RM200 per day. Minus cost and margin. 10% to 30% depending on what kind of business. But you have not factored in the fact that you might sell nothing or make nothing on certain days.

Take for example, your nasi lemak or your burger stall. You are looking at prepping 100 packs of nasi lemak or heating up your burger grill while waiting for your customer. If your sales is a meager 30% on that day, what becomes of your balance stock ? Your overhead cost ? The time and effort to go that spot on that day. You can argue "Find a good location la. Confirm make money !" But it doesn't work that way. Weather ? Nearby competition ? Licenses ? Enforcement disturbance ? Fall sick ? Car breakdown ? And don't forget, doing this kind of business requires a lot more effort than just "Go and sell". Cooking nasi lemak for 6AM sales requires you to wake up at least 4 hours beforehand to cook all the necessary dishes. Burger stall might be a little easier, but the hours are also shit. Midnight shifts. This applies to all the different businesses you listed.

That is why some people prefer the 9 - 5 job. Steady income. No need to worry about sales. Just do what is required. And it is not hard labour. Just sit in front of a computer unless you're the kind of staff that go on site.

You are right though. As long as you're hardworking, even without a cert, you can still be comfortable. But don't give the wrong idea to the general public that just starting your own business, RM200 per day is not very hard. It is. So to each their own. Some still prefer a desk job. While some like to open at pasar malam.
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post Jul 20 2017, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 20 2017, 10:45 AM)
do i really need to write another FAQ about things to consider when starting a business?

take nasi lemak for example, you don't outright make 100 packs of nasi lemak from day 1 right? you have an estimate, maybe 1st week just trial run, make 30 packs, see can see or not, 30 pack i don't think difficult, unless it's raining cats & dogs. if can sell ok la, make more, if cannot, then need to consider relocation or review your products? we aren't talking about luxury food like premium kopi, we talking about nasi lemak where any passer by might just buy 1 and eat. unless ur reputation is really that bad.

same for burger, except burger stock can keep longer, so you 1st day bring out 20 patties lo and sell. if cannot sell at least you can eat up a few of them. for burgers usually night time, so you need to invest in a diesel generator lo.

margin 10-30% is really low bro for F&B. if you sell air margin easily 300%, unless nobody buys at all. and of course after taking in to excess into account, your margin is still high, just your actual profit might not be much due to low pricing so you need to sell volume.

but rm200 income per day, to be honest, is not a dream figure. and should allow a normal person to survive around KL, not luxury, but you will survive even with a small family.
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The thing is, you are not providing a real picture for your figures. FAQ or not, if sales dip one week, go up the next. You still won't be making a comfortable income.

From your example, it is already flawed. You don't make 100 packs. How to make RM200 ? If you prep 30, that's only RM60 per day. Your example takes into consideration that your sales is 100%. What you make, you sell. If we want to be realistic, to make RM200 per day, we are looking at prepping 120 packs. Morning sell. Cannot finish. Sell afternoon different spot. Then balance pawn it off to some mamak or construction site.

Your burger example is also the same. 20 patties. Suddenly big order comes in. Not enough stock. RM100 loss for that day. Or worse. Bring 40 patties. Customer comes in droves. Cannot cook in time. Customer leave. You say hire another worker. That is also cost.

Who the heck buys water from a nasi lemak auntie or a burger stall ? At cost, maybe RM0.29 cents. Mark up to RM1.00. Sure you make good margin. But who will buy ? Nasi lemak cost itself is close to RM0.70 if big volume. Not considering wastage. Worse case scenario at 30% sales. You are making a LOSS. Don't even talk about margin.

You still haven't bring up the fact that this is actually hard work for roadside stall seller. Or the fact that some people prefer to sit in office. True RM200 can be made in this market. But don't make it seem so easy. If not, all of us would be doing 3 jobs. Morning nasi lemak. 9 - 5 job. Then at night pasar malam. Make 20k per month as per /k standard.
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post Jul 20 2017, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 20 2017, 11:07 AM)
you didn't get my point. i'm saying you have a trial run for the 1st week, trial run means it's just testing the water to get an idea on the market. you won't be making rm200 per day from day 1 obviously, and everyday surely there will have ups & downs, but you get a ballpark figure. you aren't running a departmental stall, everyone needs nasi lemak everyday, they don't wait until sales.

only thing that you might get affected is the weather, if heavy rain, biz will be bad, or can't do at all, but you can even out with other good days, also weekends & holidays you will have less income. when i say rm200, it can be rm180, or it can be rm500, depends on individual.

also obviously if it's on a weekend you will prepare less since from trial run you have figured out the customer flow.

i'm not asking you to sell unique things targeting niche market.

and the 20 patties is also an example of trial run, if someone wants big order, sorry sold out lo bos baru start next week full blast. difficult?

and when say water, must be plain water? nasi lemak cannot make sirap bandung or other things? remember bro, nasi lemak is sweet & spicy food, people want to drink esp cold drinks after that. you selling drinks is a plus.

it is hardwork, you expect to be easy? need to specify? hardwork ain't part of the cost bro. it's your own problem. unless you take into account career illness, like back pain for taxi drivers.
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I know what a trial run is. The point is, you are not painting the whole picture. I'm pretty sure you're gonna say, "Do I need to specify ? This is /k. Go figure it out".

The fact of the matter is, to make RM200 per day, whatever business. Needs hard work. Be it a nasi lemak seller. Or burger stall. It's not sunshine all the way. Businesses come and go. And customers are fickle minded. I won't eat the same thing everyday. Neither will you.

Btw Mate. Your post says it all. "So DIFFICULT making RM200 a day meh?" You just contradicted yourself quite nicely there.

PS:- No one will buy water from a pack and go stall like nasi lemak or burger. 1. No sitting space. 2. Price. One bandung RM2. I might as well order another Banjo/Nasi lemak. 3. It just doesn't make sense.
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post Jul 20 2017, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 20 2017, 11:27 AM)
hi, i don't get what picture you want. i said trial run because you raised the question of selling 100 packs from day 1. most business does that even restaurants & factories. even cars.

i never say it's easy, did i? while some jobs are much easier if you willing to sacrifice your body. you will say there are job risks, sure, what job doesn't?

you'll be surprised how many Malaysians eat Nasi Lemak & Roti Canai on daily basis. unless there are too many nasi lemak stall at your area supply >>> demand. rarely i see more than 2 stalls within same area. coz not many people willing to do.

and why would i contradict myself? rm200 +- give or take. there is no business that gives you constant income each day. but you get an average. i'm sure rm200 average for nasi lemak vendors not that difficult. remember they don't just sell nasi lemak, you have add on rendang, sotong, some even sell babi hutan, end up 1 plate around rm4-5.

and why won't people buy drinks from nasi lemak, if they sell. and why must be rm2 for a bandung syrup? like i said the cost is at least 200-300% on drinks, they sell rm1 still make money, including the plastic bag & straws, people don't need to eat there lo, tapao nasi & drinks then go. you think very fun drive to point A for nasi, then drive to point B for drinks, then rush to work? or you say make milo at opis?

don't be so -ve bro.
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Wah lau. You doing fast reading is it ? My point wasn't referring to the trial run. The big picture I'm talking about is, saying every business to make RM200 per day just needs x amount of sales. You haven't factor in a lot of things. Like the things we are discussing now. When you get right down to it, there is more than meets the eye. No ? So quit generalizing.

And you'll be surprised how many stalls are there otw to work. I passby at least 4 per day. Of course everyone has a favorite stall. And can eat nasi lemak/roti everyday. But does it have to be your stall ?

What are you replying to mate. Your thread says "So DIFFICULT making RM200 a day meh?". Isn't it difficult ? Contradictory right ? Like I said, you prefer to sit at a desk comfortably 9-5, or slough your way at 3AM to prep the food alone to make that RM200.

Let's make a poll. Roadside stall. Who will buy drinks if there's no sitting area and you're looking for a grab and go food to eat in the office/home since you can't sit. How many times have you personally gone down to a stall to tar pau something quick and cheap and bought drinks together with it. We are not talking bazaar ramadhan here.

Negative ? This is a healthy chat la. Don't think too much bro. I'm just saying it isn't easy. And you've also confirmed that. So how ? Want to change your thread title ?
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post Jul 20 2017, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 20 2017, 11:45 AM)
business go up & down, when i say rm200, it's not an upper limit, you can be making rm 300 or rm500 depending on individual, of course, if you bad attitude & spoilt nasi then better just don't even start. average rm200 per day is not a dream. you seems to be very fixated on the rm200 must be everyday rm200, cannot more or less.

yes you passby, doesn't mean they are right next to each other. and since you are so calculative, tell me those 4 stalls, how many meters are they away from each other exactly?

for me, if the stalls are good, today i eat this stall the next the other if i am used to nasi lemak everyday, so those stalls still get a constant flow.

like i said, so difficult meh rm200?

and why, must you sit down and drink when you buy a drink? you see those drink sellers on motor, they got table & chairs to let you sit down and drink? or do they just wrap the plastic and let you takeaway?
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QUOTE(spacelion @ Jul 20 2017, 11:47 AM)
lol someone bump advocado sohai thread again for what
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You started with RM 200 and die die said easy. I use that as an example la. Now you ask me why I fixated. Dude ?

2 stalls are right next to each other. One otw to work. One at workplace. So how ? Today I feel like the first stall. Sold out ayam. I go the one next door. Tomorrow I like that kuah at my place. Harlow ? What calculative. You think your nasi lemak stall super popular 100 packs a day no problem. Start one la.

You just replied just now "Not easy". What's the exact word for that ? Laborious ? Demanding ? Tough ? No la. Not difficult.

You conveniently mention drink seller. They sell DRINKS and buns and paraphernalia that isn't a full meal. Why didn't ask them bring together nasi lemak and burger ?

If you wan't to start a debate, at least acknowledge certain facts when it is correct. Don't just argue for the sake of argument.



Spacelion : Didn't know it will turn into a twist and turn, drift and pusing 360 thread.
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post Jul 20 2017, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 20 2017, 01:28 PM)
o so now you want to play word games huh?

So difficult, it's the difficulty, it's not the how physically intensive it is, of course it's not easy, you think goyang kaki the nasi lemak gonna cook itself? if you willing to get your fat ass up, it's not difficult at all.

tell me which part of rm200/day is difficult? so far you only say difficult so tell me the difficult part. don't give lame excuse like hard labor this & that. people go to opis 9-5 have to walk to bus stop stand at bus stop stand on bus for another 1 hour then walk to lrt station then stand and wait and stand again in LRT to destination then walk again to office. that one easy?

i suspect you a nasi lemak seller yourself that is why you felt threatened when i revealed the truth.
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No shit Sherlock. You have totally derailed off my points and not answered a single response I posted.

"i never say it's easy, did i? while some jobs are much easier if you willing to sacrifice your body. you will say there are job risks, sure, what job doesn't?" Your thread asks the question whether it is difficult or not. You answered your own question. Now you want to argue what difficulty you're referring to ? You might as well argue a 9 - 5 job requires tertiary education that is not required by nasi lemak seller. Hence it is 10x harder. Nasi lemak is easier.

When one can't win an argument, proceed to demean said person as fat and a nasi lemak seller.

Are you a 5 year old ? What nonsense are you spouting. Truth ? I guess the one feeling threatened here is none other than yourself. No wonder they say "Siapa bukak thread, dia butthurt." If you can't go into a healthy discussion, close the damn thread la. Look so damn pathetic.

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post Jul 20 2017, 03:12 PM

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Sorry guys. Should have looked at the date the thread was started and why people stopped replying. Will stop feeding a retarded troll.

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